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XprennaX
03-17-2004, 06:55 AM
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-3870130,00.html

'Dairy food as deadly as tobacco'
Press Association
Wednesday March 17, 2004 7:08 AM

People should avoid milk and cheese as much as tobacco, a scientist has said.
Professor Jane Plant says there is strong evidence that dairy products promote breast cancer in women and prostate cancer in men.
Speaking at a lecture on diet and cancer, she said: "My advice is don't have any dairy products in any form whatsoever. Just cut them out completely."
Professor Plant's best selling book on links between dairy products and breast cancer, Your Life In Your Hands, was published last year. Her new book, Prostate Cancer - Understand, Prevent and Overcome - comes out in May.
Professor Plant made the dairy connection after being given two months to live with advanced breast cancer which had spread to her lymph glands. She wondered why it was that in rural China, where hardly any dairy products are consumed, rates of breast cancer were so low.
After giving up all dairy foods herself she noticed a remarkable change. Within five weeks the huge tumour in her neck began to itch, then soften, and finally shrivel away.
More than 10 years later at the age of 60 she is clear of the disease - although she has had breast cancer five times.
Her investigations highlighted the role that milk chemicals such as insulin-like growth factor one (IGF-1) played in cancer. IGF-1 is naturally present in cow's milk but levels are increasing as a result of selective breeding by the dairy industry.
There was a clear association between levels of IGF-1 in a man's blood and his PSA level. PSA, or prostate specific antigen, is a protein marker which increases in cases of prostate cancer.
Excess calcium in milk and dairy products also depressed the activity of vitamin D, which protects against breast and prostate cancer, said Professor Plant.
© Copyright Press Association Ltd 2004, All Rights Reserved.

xsecx
03-17-2004, 08:35 AM
how is this a scientific study?

XprennaX
03-18-2004, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by xsecx
how is this a scientific study?

It's not, it's a newspaper article but after her own experience she conducted scientific research into IGF-1 and cancer.

xsecx
03-18-2004, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by XprennaX
It's not, it's a newspaper article but after her own experience she conducted scientific research into IGF-1 and cancer.


right, but there's no science there. that's the problem. she stops eating dairy and her tumor goes away. how does she know it was the dairy? did she test a bunch of other people? How does she know the IGF-1 has anything to do with cancer? Where's the science? I just see statements and a headline.

Dummy
03-18-2004, 12:42 PM
well with a name like professor plant how could she be wrong
but i do want to hear what doctor cheese has to say.

xgregx
03-18-2004, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by Dummy
well with a name like professor plant how could she be wrong
but i do want to hear what doctor cheese has to say.

hahaha

XprennaX
03-19-2004, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by xsecx
right, but there's no science there. that's the problem. she stops eating dairy and her tumor goes away. how does she know it was the dairy? did she test a bunch of other people? How does she know the IGF-1 has anything to do with cancer? Where's the science? I just see statements and a headline.

Well in the same way that many other carcinogens are identified, if a substance is present in a wide variety of cancer cases then it is assumed to be a factor. Even in the case of smoking it is primarily the statistics that show a connection between lung cancer and smoking. The specific mechanism of action on the lungs of smoking has not been clearly identified so by what you are saying we can't be sure that smoking is a factor.

Also as I said this is a newspaper article not a scientific journal article so they are not going to go into the complete detail of the research.

xsecx
03-19-2004, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by XprennaX
Well in the same way that many other carcinogens are identified, if a substance is present in a wide variety of cancer cases then it is assumed to be a factor. Even in the case of smoking it is primarily the statistics that show a connection between lung cancer and smoking. The specific mechanism of action on the lungs of smoking has not been clearly identified so by what you are saying we can't be sure that smoking is a factor.

Also as I said this is a newspaper article not a scientific journal article so they are not going to go into the complete detail of the research.

right, but the vast majority of the world consumes dairy, so of course it's going to be present in a wide variety of cancer cases. Not all people that consume dairy get cancer. Not even most people that consume dairy get cancer. That doesn't actually prove anything.
Smoking isn't the same, because of there is a large control group to test against.

It'd be a much bigger deal and easier to swallow if the statement was talking about the rate of cancer between vegan and non vegan. But it doesn't. I find it damn near impossible to believe that a tumor just dried up simply because of a lack of dairy use.

xgregx
03-20-2004, 11:18 PM
If it came from a newspaper article, I wouldn't believe it, half the shit they put in those are lies.