Femenisim

[FnF_C.A.]

I'm just curious of other's opinons on it, so tell me what you think about it. I may self am a femenist. I'm really into riot grrl music and other riot grrl stuff. I mean I don't see why women should be getting paid less then men or have to work twice as hard to get the same job as a man. Also I don't like how alot of guys treat girls like they're just a peice of ass, they have no respect for women at all. It's disgusting. Well whatever that's just a bit of how I feel.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by FnF_C.A.
I'm just curious of other's opinons on it, so tell me what you think about it. I may self am a femenist. I'm really into riot grrl music and other riot grrl stuff. I mean I don't see why women should be getting paid less then men or have to work twice as hard to get the same job as a man. Also I don't like how alot of guys treat girls like they're just a peice of ass, they have no respect for women at all. It's disgusting. Well whatever that's just a bit of how I feel.

do riot grrls even exist anymore?

[sabresnmets]

thats a tough subject, cause some women flaunt their sexuality, and some respectable people like yourself, think the way most should. itll be tough to find the happy medium.

[flame_still_burns]

i can tell what a staunch feminist you are because of how you spell the word feminism.

all kidding aside... how could anyone not agree that women are still not treated fairly in terms of equal pay and they are certainly under-represented politically. it amazes me that over half of the populace is female, yet there has never been a female president or even vice-president.

but yeah. i thought the riot grrrl movement was dead and buried. i did a bikini kill/team dresch show back in like '95 ish... i'm sure some people liked it. those bands never did too much for me. although i can appriciate what they were trying to achieve.

even though kathleen hannah was working as a stripper and that seemed to undermine the integrity of the movement to me.

i'll stop before i go off on another tangent.

[FnF_C.A.]

i thought the riot grrrl movement was dead and buried

Yeah I think it may be dead and buried but I've just found out about it not to long ago and I like it alot... I'm gonna try and start up a little something in my area. And I'm in a band, I write most the songs and allready some of our lyrics are feminist so yeah, I dunno maybe some how I with help of others can bring riot grrrl back into the swing of everything. I dunno, I guess I can try.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by FnF_C.A.
Yeah I think it may be dead and buried but I've just found out about it not to long ago and I like it alot... I'm gonna try and start up a little something in my area. And I'm in a band, I write most the songs and allready some of our lyrics are feminist so yeah, I dunno maybe some how I with help of others can bring riot grrrl back into the swing of everything. I dunno, I guess I can try.

it's a decent goal to have. I would also suggest seeing what you can find out about the chicks up front posse, they're a lot more relevant to straight edge than the riot grrrls were.

[flame_still_burns]

Originally posted by xsecx
it's a decent goal to have. I would also suggest seeing what you can find out about the chicks up front posse, they're a lot more relevant to straight edge than the riot grrrls were.

now that is a name i have not heard in many many years.

i can remember sweating one of those girls at the first more than music fest in dayton.(by the way, did you attend?) what was her name...she did a zine. not positive kim. one of the girls from dc.

now the chicks up front posse is something i thought died long ago.

the irony isn't lost on me that i'm talking about sweating a girl on a feminism thread.

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Originally posted by flame_still_burns
now that is a name i have not heard in many many years.

i can remember sweating one of those girls at the first more than music fest in dayton.(by the way, did you attend?) what was her name...she did a zine. not positive kim. one of the girls from dc.

now the chicks up front posse is something i thought died long ago.

the irony isn't lost on me that i'm talking about sweating a girl on a feminism thread.

I was too young back then for it. my parents were cool about some things, fest goings weren't one of them. The really sad part is I can't remember any of their names. Like I'm drawing a complete blank, of course it doesn't help that this was damn near 10 years ago.

it's died and come back a couple of times. Usually different girls. I know there was a group of girls up in boston and philly that were doing similar things.

[flame_still_burns]

Originally posted by xsecx
I was too young back then for it. my parents were cool about some things, fest goings weren't one of them. The really sad part is I can't remember any of their names. Like I'm drawing a complete blank, of course it doesn't help that this was damn near 10 years ago.

it's died and come back a couple of times. Usually different girls. I know there was a group of girls up in boston and philly that were doing similar things.

yeah... i can't think of this girls name. and it completely doesn't matter. i just thought you might know what became of her, being a dc guy and all.

it must have been murder to be too young to go to some shows that you knew were going on. that first dayton fest was like a life changing experience...in march it will have been 11 years gone. crazy.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by flame_still_burns
yeah... i can't think of this girls name. and it completely doesn't matter. i just thought you might know what became of her, being a dc guy and all.

it must have been murder to be too young to go to some shows that you knew were going on. that first dayton fest was like a life changing experience...in march it will have been 11 years gone. crazy.

it was, but at the same time, I got to see a fuckload of amazing bands locally that I probably wouldn't have gotten a chance to otherwise. This is what I get for being in high school and not college.

[FnF_C.A.]

chicks up front posse, they're a lot more relevant to straight edge than the riot grrrls were.
Hey thanks I'll check into it. Today I took my chances with my school, Last night I wrote up a feminist flyer, and today I posted it in the halls at my shcool. Though on my way to the cafiteria later on I saw that one of them had been taken down. I was sad at first then thought about and realised somebody had to read it to want to take it down, or they may have taken it so they could read it and get the websites off it. Well I dunno, today's really my first try with it, so I'll see what happens tommarow.

[FnF_C.A.]

Well I ran a google search on the chicks up front posse and found nothing. Anybody know a site I can find stuff out on it?

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Originally posted by FnF_C.A.
Well I ran a google search on the chicks up front posse and found nothing. Anybody know a site I can find stuff out on it?

websites no. but you might want to see about getting your hands on some back issues of maximum rock and roll and punkplanet. I'm decently sure there will be some info in there.

[deliriumtremens]

alrite darlin, u are only their to recieve dick, dont have ideas above ur station. show us ya tits !

[straightXed]

Originally posted by deliriumtremens
alrite darlin, u are only their to recieve dick, dont have ideas above ur station. show us ya tits !

Are you that dick? You don't need to see tits just get a mirror because you are the tit of the day, week, month and year, enjoy revelling in your idiocy.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by deliriumtremens
alrite darlin, u are only their to recieve dick, dont have ideas above ur station. show us ya tits !

wow. a troll.

[deliriumtremens]

ahhh, it feels good.

[FnF_C.A.]

alrite darlin, u are only their to recieve dick, dont have ideas above ur station. show us ya tits !
that was a stupid to thing to put in this thread. I have the sudden urge to vomit, but that's just me.

websites no. but you might want to see about getting your hands on some back issues of maximum rock and roll and punkplanet. I'm decently sure there will be some info in there.
Thanks. Now I just need to go to the library and see what I can find.

[xvunderx]

Originally posted by sabresnmets
thats a tough subject, cause some women flaunt their sexuality, and some respectable people like yourself, think the way most should. itll be tough to find the happy medium.

So what if a woman wants to "flaunt her sexuality" female sexuality has been pushed under wraps for centuries, and if thats what she wants to do, and that is her choice, then so what? How is it not "respectable"? Who are you to put up such jugements? And do you know what? It's not always for the gratification of men, it can be about the wonam, her confidence, and what she feels good about.

I think momen should be alowed to enjoy and express their sexuality, and think the inability to do so, and the denial of female sexuality for solong has hurt us as a society.

[xvunderx]

Originally posted by FnF_C.A.
Hey thanks I'll check into it. Today I took my chances with my school, Last night I wrote up a feminist flyer, and today I posted it in the halls at my shcool. Though on my way to the cafiteria later on I saw that one of them had been taken down. I was sad at first then thought about and realised somebody had to read it to want to take it down, or they may have taken it so they could read it and get the websites off it. Well I dunno, today's really my first try with it, so I'll see what happens tommarow.

I think it's a great thing your trying to do, I've seen far too many people girls included just hang up and say that it just isn't relvant any more, which is utter bullshit.

Alot of my art work is centered around feminism I guess, and I have a few projects on the go of my own. I'm not much of a musician, most of my work is from a visual art stand point. I'd be interested in any projects or just to chat if you ever fancy it.

[xvunderx]

Originally posted by deliriumtremens
ahhh, it feels good.

I thinks it's interesting how if people get on about raceism, capitalism, every one gives full attention and suitable seriousnes, as soon as it gets on to feminism and sexism it's all funny isn't it sir?

[FnF_C.A.]

Originally posted by xvunderx
I think it's a great thing your trying to do, I've seen far too many people girls included just hang up and say that it just isn't relvant any more, which is utter bullshit.

Alot of my art work is centered around feminism I guess, and I have a few projects on the go of my own. I'm not much of a musician, most of my work is from a visual art stand point. I'd be interested in any projects or just to chat if you ever fancy it.

Yeah that would be great to chat sometime. Visual art is awsome just I'm not so skilled in that area.
People in my city just seem to be dead about all of it. They don't seem to care, I wanna make a zine or something but 1) I don't have enough people to write stuff up and 2) I don't have money to make copies 3) I doubt anyone would even pick it up.

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Originally posted by FnF_C.A.
Yeah that would be great to chat sometime. Visual art is awsome just I'm not so skilled in that area.
People in my city just seem to be dead about all of it. They don't seem to care, I wanna make a zine or something but 1) I don't have enough people to write stuff up and 2) I don't have money to make copies 3) I doubt anyone would even pick it up.

which is why the internet is amazing since you can influence far more people than you're geographically linked to.

also since you're in fairborn, you're close enough to yellow spring, where you will find plenty of feminists.

[xvunderx]

Originally posted by FnF_C.A.
Yeah that would be great to chat sometime. Visual art is awsome just I'm not so skilled in that area.
People in my city just seem to be dead about all of it. They don't seem to care, I wanna make a zine or something but 1) I don't have enough people to write stuff up and 2) I don't have money to make copies 3) I doubt anyone would even pick it up.

Well if you were ever serious about starting a zine I'd be more than up for helping out.

There are alsorts of ways to get somthing like that started and out. As for getting people to pick stuff up it's not that hard, you just need a decent network. I remember one zine, (though I can't remember what it was called), some one put it together made from photo copies, and put out in it for people to make a few copies and drop it off where ever themselves, it went round a long way in the end, I found that pretty inspiering.

A magazine I find quite interesting it's just called Bitch, it's basicly a feminist take on pop culture, I've read some really interesting articles in it if you ever come across a copy.

My AIM is xevil vivx if you ever catch me online, i'll probably be on alot more next week when I get back from the UK.

[FnF_C.A.]

Originally posted by xvunderx
Well if you were ever serious about starting a zine I'd be more than up for helping out.

There are alsorts of ways to get somthing like that started and out. As for getting people to pick stuff up it's not that hard, you just need a decent network. I remember one zine, (though I can't remember what it was called), some one put it together made from photo copies, and put out in it for people to make a few copies and drop it off where ever themselves, it went round a long way in the end, I found that pretty inspiering.

A magazine I find quite interesting it's just called Bitch, it's basicly a feminist take on pop culture, I've read some really interesting articles in it if you ever come across a copy.

My AIM is xevil vivx if you ever catch me online, i'll probably be on alot more next week when I get back from the UK.

Ok thanks. I'll IM you some time.

[sabresnmets]

Originally posted by xvunderx
So what if a woman wants to "flaunt her sexuality" female sexuality has been pushed under wraps for centuries, and if thats what she wants to do, and that is her choice, then so what? How is it not "respectable"? Who are you to put up such jugements? And do you know what? It's not always for the gratification of men, it can be about the wonam, her confidence, and what she feels good about.

I think momen should be alowed to enjoy and express their sexuality, and think the inability to do so, and the denial of female sexuality for solong has hurt us as a society.



ok, slow down, easy, i meant flaunt their sexuality to get what they want. sorry, holy crap, i feel like a bad person for agreeing with you.

[xvunderx]

Originally posted by sabresnmets
ok, slow down, easy, i meant flaunt their sexuality to get what they want. sorry, holy crap, i feel like a bad person for agreeing with you.

manipulation is a shity thing, but why feel bad about agreeing?

[emalee04117208]

feminisim -great word. to be literal, the only difference between men and woman, is that men have penis'(what exactly IS the plural for penis? penises doesnt look right. it looks like pansy...hahaha quite hilarious i must say) and women have breasts and vaginas. BUT recent studys have shown there is a chemical difference in the brain that boys tend to have better spacial skills and girls have better social skills, which i think i remember to be as the only major difference, but of course there are always exceptions to the rule. Women can be better at anything if they work at it, Men can be better. im a feminist, yes i am but i have to say i disagree with feminists that say women are better than men because then your opressing men and theyll be masculinists or something.

random fact: the national average is that women are paid 76 cents to a mans dollar.

and the guy who said that were only here to get dick and show you our "tits", first of all the more respectful term would be breasts, or maybe even boobs, but seriously, you are the rudest most degrading person i have ever SEEN in my entire life and you need to grow up.

[flame_still_burns]

well see, god is a man not a woman. so if god is a man- wouldn't he want to be the better of the two?

so that means men must be better. maybe 24% better.

the bible proves it. right? i mean the bible couldn't be wrong, could it?

[emalee04117208]

Originally posted by flame_still_burns
well see, god is a man not a woman. so if god is a man- wouldn't he want to be the better of the two?

so that means men must be better. maybe 24% better.

the bible proves it. right? i mean the bible couldn't be wrong, could it?

i SAID that i didnt agree with the fact that women are all like were better than men, im saying that anyone can be better than anyone if they can try.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by emalee04117208
feminisim -great word. to be literal, the only difference between men and woman, is that men have penis'(what exactly IS the plural for penis? penises doesnt look right. it looks like pansy...hahaha quite hilarious i must say)

penises is right but also penes is plural.

[sabresnmets]

yeah but how often do you have to say something that would require the plural of penis?

[Sean The Red]

Originally posted by sabresnmets
yeah but how often do you have to say something that would require the plural of penis?

I am sure there are people out there who have to do it on a daily basis.

[sabresnmets]

do you know any? cause you could ask them.

[Sean The Red]

Originally posted by sabresnmets
do you know any? cause you could ask them.

no I do not know any, however that doesnt make me doubt their existence.

[xvunderx]

Originally posted by Sean The Red
no I do not know any, however that doesnt make me doubt their existence.

Porn Diractors filming a double penetration scene, they would need to use it and would know.

The HAS to be a porn director on this site?

[straightXed]

Originally posted by Sean The Red
no I do not know any, however that doesnt make me doubt their existence.

Rick rodney :)

[Sean The Red]

Originally posted by xvunderx
Porn Diractors filming a double penetration scene, they would need to use it and would know.

The HAS to be a porn director on this site?

wouldnt that be it.... straight edge porn

[Sean The Red]

how did it go from feminism to porn.... of all the dualities politics might serve up, this is one of the worst

[xvunderx]

Originally posted by Sean The Red
how did it go from feminism to porn.... of all the dualities politics might serve up, this is one of the worst

Porn isn't Necessarily against feminism

[Sean The Red]

Originally posted by xvunderx
Porn isn't Necessarily against feminism

Ask NOW about that....

[Captain Morgan]

Arr. Feminists hate pirates, so they do.
At least me anyway, yarr.

[xvunderx]

Originally posted by Sean The Red
Ask NOW about that....

I'm not saying most porn is feminism friendly, far from it. But I am saying that pornography can be at peace with feminism. There are a few producers of feminist porn etc. We have a great deal of history, tradition and at least in the UK and some other countries laws to compeat against, but pornography isn't nessisarily against feminist principals. To say so is to say that sex and seuality is against feminist principals.

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Originally posted by xvunderx
I'm not saying most porn is feminism friendly, far from it. But I am saying that pornography can be at peace with feminism. There are a few producers of feminist porn etc. We have a great deal of history, tradition and at least in the UK and some other countries laws to compeat against, but pornography isn't nessisarily against feminist principals. To say so is to say that sex and seuality is against feminist principals.

most recent wave of feminists have had some pretty outspoken supporters of sex workers as a means of feminism.

[sabresnmets]

did you ever notice that all of the guys in porns are really ugly?

[Sean The Red]

Originally posted by xvunderx
I'm not saying most porn is feminism friendly, far from it. But I am saying that pornography can be at peace with feminism. There are a few producers of feminist porn etc. We have a great deal of history, tradition and at least in the UK and some other countries laws to compeat against, but pornography isn't nessisarily against feminist principals. To say so is to say that sex and seuality is against feminist principals.

hmmm, it seems to me that there would be a very fine line between opposition to principals, and being inline.

[xvunderx]

Originally posted by Sean The Red
hmmm, it seems to me that there would be a very fine line between opposition to principals, and being inline.

I never said that most porn was inline with feminist principals. Far from it. I was simply saying that pornography itself isn't against feminism, even if much of the products and industry are.

[Sean The Red]

Originally posted by xvunderx
I never said that most porn was inline with feminist principals. Far from it. I was simply saying that pornography itself isn't against feminism, even if much of the products and industry are.

quite true

[Sean The Red]

Originally posted by xvunderx
I never said that most porn was inline with feminist principals. Far from it. I was simply saying that pornography itself isn't against feminism, even if much of the products and industry are.

porn that isnt against feminism... a friend sent me this, I think it qualifies...

http://drew.corrupt.net/lp/