everyone should check this out

[SgtD]

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf

[straightXed]

i posted that a while back, its funny and akin to ghost stories and the like.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
i posted that a while back, its funny and akin to ghost stories and the like.
so you think it's not true?

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
so you think it's not true?

yes but i don't really see what difference it would make, i guess hijacking planes is just easier than hijacking missiles for the most part, its still gonna blow shit up.

[xsecx]

http://sxe.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1766

[SgtD]

sorry for overlooking that thread dude

[xsecx]

Originally posted by SgtD
sorry for overlooking that thread dude

no problem. I just don't see how people think a missle is somehow more likely than a plane. especially a plane that was hijaaked and had to go somewhere since all those people are dead and no other crash sites were found.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by xsecx
no problem. I just don't see how people think a missle is somehow more likely than a plane. especially a plane that was hijaaked and had to go somewhere since all those people are dead and no other crash sites were found.

conspiracy!!!!

What i like is the bit where they try to make it sound conclusive that because the plane didn't show up on the traffic control cameras (that inccidently were pointed at the traffic and not the sky for some odd reason) therefore didn't exist!

[xdaddydaycorex]

i still say if it wasnt for the soundtrack no one would be talking about it. it's so hypotic it MAKES YOU BELIEVE!!!!

[SgtD]

well i don't know what to think about it. i heard some even more unbeliveable theories which said the whole 911 was made by the cia, but this kindof makes sense. i mean if it was a plane there would be a big mess about the pentagon

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
well i don't know what to think about it. i heard some even more unbeliveable theories which said the whole 911 was made by the cia, but this kindof makes sense. i mean if it was a plane there would be a big mess about the pentagon

but look at whos saying there wasn't a mess.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
but look at whos saying there wasn't a mess.
if teh pics were real, i believe my eyes

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
if teh pics were real, i believe my eyes


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/Straightxed/giraffegirl.jpg

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/Straightxed/giraffegirl.jpg
right!

[Sean The Red]

the whole lack of wreckage still bugs me

[xsecx]

Originally posted by Sean The Red
the whole lack of wreckage still bugs me

how does the fact that there aren't pictures of wreckage on the outside lawn equate to a lack of wreckage?

or the fact that the plane went over an interstate and tons of people saw it and can testify to it? this is seriously the weirdest thing for people to be convinced that it's a conspiracy over.

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
how does the fact that there aren't pictures of wreckage on the outside lawn equate to a lack of wreckage?

or the fact that the plane went over an interstate and tons of people saw it and can testify to it? this is seriously the weirdest thing for people to be convinced that it's a conspiracy over.

well considering how many other times weve been lied to by the goverment you gotta be kinda suspicios ( spell check i know) and when theres lack of a plane on the ground in nearly all the pictures weve seen it just adds to it.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
well considering how many other times weve been lied to by the goverment you gotta be kinda suspicios ( spell check i know) and when theres lack of a plane on the ground in nearly all the pictures weve seen it just adds to it.

so we've been lied to by the government over attacks before? Like when?

and I'll you the same question, I asked the other kid in the other thread. how many crash investigations have you done? If people who are experts at crash investigations don't expect to see wreckage on the lawn, why should you? So all the people that have testified that they saw a plane hitting the pentagon were forced to by the CIA? What happened to the plane then?

ANd do you kids even know/understand where the pentagon is? what kind of area it's in?

[xsecx]

also reading is fundamental
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
also reading is fundamental
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

im not saying that the attack happened, all i was sayin is that the reason why so many people fall into belieiving the story about it being a missile is because of those two reasons, we all believe the goverment is full of liars, which yes we both know it is, and that many pictures lack wreckage, i dont know what to belive in this hole thing except that either way somthin messed up happened.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
im not saying that the attack happened, all i was sayin is that the reason why so many people fall into belieiving the story about it being a missile is because of those two reasons, we all believe the goverment is full of liars, which yes we both know it is, and that many pictures lack wreckage, i dont know what to belive in this hole thing except that either way somthin messed up happened.

how do I know it is full of liars when I ask you a question to tell me where they lied about similiar situations and you ignored it?

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
how do I know it is full of liars when I ask you a question to tell me where they lied about similiar situations and you ignored it?

so your saying our goverment doesnt hide shit from us, here is the easiest one i can think of, area 51 (no joke) was torching chemical waste, the employees at the base got toxin poisoning and asked for the names of the toxins that were being torched, and the goverment says there was none, even though there were football field sized trenches being dug and filled with containers then torched.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
so your saying our goverment doesnt hide shit from us, here is the easiest one i can think of, area 51 (no joke) was torching chemical waste, the employees at the base got toxin poisoning and asked for the names of the toxins that were being torched, and the goverment says there was none, even though there were football field sized trenches being dug and filled with containers then torched.

proof?

also hiding something isn't quite the same as lying or staging an attack.

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
proof?

also hiding something isn't quite the same as lying or staging an attack.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/bases022.html

its still deciet, and either way it leads to mistrust, am i correct in saying so?

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/bases022.html

its still deciet, and either way it leads to mistrust, am i correct in saying so?

unless you can find something from something other than a geocities site, it's not proof.

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
unless you can find something from something other than a geocities site, it's not proof.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/blgroomlake.htm

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/blgroomlake.htm

like I said above. that's just as bad as geocities. now unless you can find something from an actual, respected news organization, no one is going to believe it's anything other than a story.

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
like I said above. that's just as bad as geocities. now unless you can find something from an actual, respected news organization, no one is going to believe it's anything other than a story.

your makin this difficult hahahaa

[noman]

Originally posted by noman
your makin this difficult hahahaa

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1380902&nav=168XHBOF

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1380902&nav=168XHBOF

so filing a lawsuit makes it true? What were the results of the lawsuit? Also how does this relate to a conspiracy to attack the pentagon?

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
so filing a lawsuit makes it true? What were the results of the lawsuit? Also how does this relate to a conspiracy to attack the pentagon?

its true because people were getting horribly sick from it, theres no other way that those people could have developed "fish scales" from toxins except for from that one place, they lost the suit, because the chemicals were still considered "confidential" ....and it relates because the goverment hid, lied about the base claiming that it doesnt even exist when theres satellite photos, obvious workers goin there on private jets from a las vegas airstrip.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
its true because people were getting horribly sick from it, theres no other way that those people could have developed "fish scales" from toxins except for from that one place, they lost the suit, because the chemicals were still considered "confidential" ....and it relates because the goverment hid, lied about the base claiming that it doesnt even exist when theres satellite photos, obvious workers goin there on private jets from a las vegas airstrip.

so they lost the suit, but it's still true? how do you figure that?

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
so they lost the suit, but it's still true? how do you figure that?

they lost the suit because the materials were considered confidential, not because it wasnt happening.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
they lost the suit because the materials were considered confidential, not because it wasnt happening.

you don't understand how cases work do you?

they lost the suit because they couldn't prove their case.

that being said, how does that, something that would be used for national defense, relate to a conspiracy to attack the pentagon?

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
you don't understand how cases work do you?

they lost the suit because they couldn't prove their case.

that being said, how does that, something that would be used for national defense, relate to a conspiracy to attack the pentagon?

all i was sayin by bringing that up was that the goverment is well knwon for being decietful and hiding/lieing about stuff to us

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
all i was sayin by bringing that up was that the goverment is well knwon for being decietful and hiding/lieing about stuff to us

which you failed to prove.

lying about weapons development and lying about an event that a shitload of people witnessed, not on the same level.

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
which you failed to prove.

lying about weapons development and lying about an event that a shitload of people witnessed, not on the same level.

i guess not, but when else has something like this happened, the only other time realisticly that you can say america was attacked was the first trade center bombing, and that i was to young to here about.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
i guess not, but when else has something like this happened, the only other time realisticly that you can say america was attacked was the first trade center bombing, and that i was to young to here about.

pearl harbor. oklahoma city.

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
pearl harbor. oklahoma city.

oklahoma city was by one of our own citizens, not a foreign person, and pearl harbor was by another country that wound up declaring war....little bit different from terrorism.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
oklahoma city was by one of our own citizens, not a foreign person, and pearl harbor was by another country that wound up declaring war....little bit different from terrorism.

what do you think terrorism is?

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
what do you think terrorism is?

a attack on our/seperate country in hopes of creatin fear/terror by the attacker.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
a attack on our/seperate country in hopes of creatin fear/terror by the attacker.

so how was the okc bombing and pearl harbor attack not terrorism?

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
so how was the okc bombing and pearl harbor attack not terrorism?


pearl harbor was to cripple our navy, it had purpose.......okc was terrorism but not to the scale in which 9/11 was, because it involved a foreign organization instead of a citizen that had issues...

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
pearl harbor was to cripple our navy, it had purpose.......okc was terrorism but not to the scale in which 9/11 was, because it involved a foreign organization instead of a citizen that had issues...

terrorism has purpose.

so a group of people outside the country is worse than a group of people inside?

backpeddling doesn't suit you.

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
terrorism has purpose.

so a group of people outside the country is worse than a group of people inside?

backpeddling doesn't suit you.

backpeddleing?

and yeah, because we cant go to war with ourselves, the purpose of 9/11 was to kill innocents and send us to war, more and more americans were killed.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
backpeddleing?

and yeah, because we cant go to war with ourselves, the purpose of 9/11 was to kill innocents and send us to war, more and more americans were killed.

yes, you're back peddling.

so civil wars don't happen? what do you think the reason behind the okc bombing was?

and no, 9/11 wasn't to send us to war. it was to cripple the economy and create fear and to change policy throughout the middle east.

[noman]

Originally posted by xsecx
yes, you're back peddling.

so civil wars don't happen? what do you think the reason behind the okc bombing was?

and no, 9/11 wasn't to send us to war. it was to cripple the economy and create fear and to change policy throughout the middle east.

i wasnt sayin civil wars dont happen, but i highly doubt that one will happen in america in this day and age. and i was to young to know alot about what was goin on during OKC bombing

[xsecx]

Originally posted by noman
i wasnt sayin civil wars dont happen, but i highly doubt that one will happen in america in this day and age. and i was to young to know alot about what was goin on during OKC bombing

"and yeah, because we cant go to war with ourselves,"


and you might want to read up on things before you start talking about them.

[Sean The Red]

Originally posted by xsecx
how does the fact that there aren't pictures of wreckage on the outside lawn equate to a lack of wreckage?

or the fact that the plane went over an interstate and tons of people saw it and can testify to it? this is seriously the weirdest thing for people to be convinced that it's a conspiracy over.

all I was saying was that it bugged me, not that I didnt believe it... dont jump to conclusions like that. The Pentagon was designed to be a giant bunker, have you ever seen footage of what happens to a fully loaded jet fighter if it flys into a bunker wall... bunker wall is destroyed but the aircraft is vaporized. I remember one thing I saw on history channel, where after, all they could find were a couple inches of wing tip... take off munitions, increase the size substantially, and I dont doubt that it would be able to crash through 5 sections, and the area in between.

But its more than that which bugs me, like... With temperatures that hot, I'm surprised the place didnt catch on fire as the heat expanded through the building. Then again, maybe it did and I just didnt hear about it because why would people want to hear about a fact like that. or maybe the fire supression system was still functional and did its job.