religion

[Sean The Red]

It annoys me.

[Gryphon]

Well if you are really a Communist then sure I can see why it would annoy you, but is that the only reason it annoys you?

[SgtD]

oops!
i hate religion!
oops!
i'm anti-communist.

religion is full of shit. all kind of religion is full of shit. it was and it still is about gaining power.

and it is annoying.
----AMEN----

[straightXed]

i find most belief systems interesting, i don't follow any stringently but i do take ideas from them and apply them on a personal level if i feel affiliated with that way of thinking on a larger scale, not just blindly accepting it as truth.



sgtd - there are lots of things that are about gaining power, are you against them all? if you removed the heirachy that goes with organised religion and applied it on a personal level only are you still against it? Are you against giving yourself power?

[Sean The Red]

Originally posted by Gryphon
Well if you are really a Communist then sure I can see why it would annoy you, but is that the only reason it annoys you?

its not a 'I am communist, therefore I hate religion' thing. I hated religion long before I could define 'wage labor.' It annoys me because of things like this:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/10/12/contraceptive.complaint.ap/index.html
and
http://www.godlovestheworld.com/ver1/
note the:
http://www.godlovestheworld.com/ver1/images/03_diagram_changed.jpg

Its a giant falacy. Its all circular logic. the Bible says god is all powerful, and all knowing. I know because he wrote the Bible. I dont have any proof that he wrote the bible, I cant even prove there was a Jesus, but I'll order my whole life around it anyway. Or the Koran... I'll follow the pilars of islam because it says to or god will smite me if I dont. I dont have any proof that will happen.... Its like that with every religion, people work their whole lives around circular logic. Ideas and concepts that cant be proven; however, since they cant be disproven either, they use it as some kind of evidence that what they believe is true. ie:
George Bush said Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction. Iraq said they didn't. Inspectors couldn't find them, and Bush said that since he couldnt prove he didnt have them, that they must have them.... and now we know that they never existed.

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
i find most belief systems interesting, i don't follow any stringently but i do take ideas from them and apply them on a personal level if i feel affiliated with that way of thinking on a larger scale, not just blindly accepting it as truth.



sgtd - there are lots of things that are about gaining power, are you against them all? if you removed the heirachy that goes with organised religion and applied it on a personal level only are you still against it? Are you against giving yourself power?
i think it's okay if someone doesn't goes to church, but says he/she is religious, prays at home and all of that. i don't think the person is right though. if god is almighty, how come that a 4 year old girl who went to the cemetery with her mother to take flowers on his fathers grave dies of a gravestone falling on her? what sins do you have at 4? or if it's satan's work, how's that god couldn't stop him doing this?
and if god loves all of his creations, does he love satan too? if he is so powerful, why doesn't he banish satan forever etc...
realigion has a lot of demagogy in it.
and if you ask these questions from a religious man he will have the answer lik" you make your choices at the age of 4, why did she stand ther', or 'she's life was ment to end like this'
my opinion is when religion is involved, clear thinking gets in the background

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
i think it's okay if someone doesn't goes to church, but says he/she is religious, prays at home and all of that. i don't think the person is right though.

I wasn't asking if you think its ok or if you think its right, i was asking if you are against all things about gaining power or just religion.

Originally posted by SgtD
if god is almighty, how come that a 4 year old girl who went to the cemetery with her mother to take flowers on his fathers grave dies of a gravestone falling on her? what sins do you have at 4? or if it's satan's work, how's that god couldn't stop him doing this?


ok well your asking me the wrong question, but are we talking about all religion or a particular faith? theres no god because a child dies, and because people get old and don't live forever? surely it could just as easily be a misconception of god, man is completely falible. but it seems apparent that most religions are full of ideas to make death seem less scary, whats around now to distract you from those thoughts? I don't think people are dying for their sins, i think people are dying because thats what humans do, and perhaps the compassion of god works on a larger scale and not on an individual one, like a balance of nature, a cause an effect type of thing. Personally and i've said it before, without talking about being almighty or egocentric, i am my own god, i give myself power to change my life, i make decisions that effect me directly but what actually causes me to make those descisions?

Originally posted by SgtD
and if god loves all of his creations, does he love satan too? if he is so powerful, why doesn't he banish satan forever etc...
realigion has a lot of demagogy in it.
well to banish satan is to banish evil, without evil what is good? You need a contrast, perhaps his power is in keeping a balance of good and evil and you could liken that to the middle path involved in buddhism. You need death to make life what it is, what is light without dark? Its not light, it has nothing to be lighter than. To me it seems like the interpretation of god and satan gives evidence of the apparent qualkities that we cannot deny, there is good and there is evil but i don't follow an orchestrated belief system but hey.


Originally posted by SgtD
and if you ask these questions from a religious man he will have the answer lik" you make your choices at the age of 4, why did she stand ther', or 'she's life was ment to end like this'
my opinion is when religion is involved, clear thinking gets in the background

well i'm sure it depends on which religious person you talk to and their perception of things. Why do you believe the child died?

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
I wasn't asking if you think its ok or if you think its right, i was asking if you are against all things about gaining power or just religion.

if political, religion, or monatery stuff getting too much power i think the answer is yes.


ok well your asking me the wrong question, but are we talking about all religion or a particular faith? theres no god because a child dies, and because people get old and don't live forever? surely it could just as easily be a misconception of god, man is completely falible. but it seems apparent that most religions are full of ideas to make death seem less scary, whats around now to distract you from those thoughts? I don't think people are dying for their sins, i think people are dying because thats what humans do, and perhaps the compassion of god works on a larger scale and not on an individual one, like a balance of nature, a cause an effect type of thing. Personally and i've said it before, without talking about being almighty or egocentric, i am my own god, i give myself power to change my life, i make decisions that effect me directly but what actually causes me to make those descisions?

i think there is no god.
prehistoric men thought tere was alightning god, because they couldn't explain the lightning.
i think chatolic churches were about only two things: money, and power. for example the crusades.
people are dying cos their a human beings. i think this way too.
you make your own decisions. and your brain causes you to make decisions, or your inner self i would say if that's okay with you.


well to banish satan is to banish evil, without evil what is good? You need a contrast, perhaps his power is in keeping a balance of good and evil and you could liken that to the middle path involved in buddhism. You need death to make life what it is, what is light without dark? Its not light, it has nothing to be lighter than. To me it seems like the interpretation of god and satan gives evidence of the apparent qualkities that we cannot deny, there is good and there is evil but i don't follow an orchestrated belief system but hey.

i don't know what to say at this point. it's true what you say, but satan and god in my opinion are just two figures that make easier for the people to control. like if there's satan with his fork and you will burn in the lake of fire is more effective than you say, hey there's no hell, and there's no heaven.


well i'm sure it depends on which religious person you talk to and their perception of things. Why do you believe the child died? [/B]
yeah it depends. but everyone has his/her version of truth.
i believe she died because it was my best friends cousin.
that's another ponit if oyu believe in life after death.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
if political, religion, or monatery stuff getting too much power i think the answer is yes.

What is too much power?

Originally posted by SgtD

i think there is no god.
prehistoric men thought tere was alightning god, because they couldn't explain the lightning.
i think chatolic churches were about only two things: money, and power. for example the crusades.
people are dying cos their a human beings. i think this way too.
you make your own decisions. and your brain causes you to make decisions, or your inner self i would say if that's okay with you. If you are saying there is no god are you saying i do not exist as i believe i am the center and creator of my universe?
If god is a man made idea can i not fabricate that idea within my own existence. I'm not trying to prove the existence of the typical god you are refering to i just don't think that a child dying is strong enough to disprove it.[/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by SgtD

i don't know what to say at this point. it's true what you say, but satan and god in my opinion are just two figures that make easier for the people to control. like if there's satan with his fork and you will burn in the lake of fire is more effective than you say, hey there's no hell, and there's no heaven. Yeah you are applying the whole aspect of control to it yourself, now if you took away the idea of manlike forms for god and satan and just look at what they represent - good and evil, well that kind of control is still completely in control of the state its just adapted to the way peoples intelegence or whatever has evolved, are you against the way control is in society today?


Originally posted by SgtD
yeah it depends. but everyone has his/her version of truth.
i believe she died because it was my best friends cousin.
that's another ponit if oyu believe in life after death.
how is being someones cousin a cause for death?

I don't entertain the idea of life after death

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
What is too much power?

too much power is when they get to control other peoples thinking.

If you are saying there is no god are you saying i do not exist as i believe i am the center and creator of my universe?
If god is a man made idea can i not fabricate that idea within my own existence. I'm not trying to prove the existence of the typical god you are refering to i just don't think that a child dying is strong enough to disprove it.
yeah it's not disproving it. but it's strange isn't it?

Yeah you are applying the whole aspect of control to it yourself, now if you took away the idea of manlike forms for god and satan and just look at what they represent - good and evil, well that kind of control is still completely in control of the state its just adapted to the way peoples intelegence or whatever has evolved, are you against the way control is in society today?

my opinion is that things are not right on this planet. the usa can start a war whenever the president wants to, almost half of the population of the earth is living in famine, terrorists attack schools and kill 200 children, there are religion fanatics etc...
but i don't think it's because they are evil. how do you tell a soldier who was trained to kill, and sweared to 'protect his country' that you're evil, man.and yeah, i'M against the way control in society today is . and you know what? that's why i boycott everything that's has something to do with multinational corporations.
if you think everything is allright, then you are lucky living there were you live, living how you live.


how is being someones cousin a cause for death?

I don't entertain the idea of life after death [/B]
no, i just realised what you were refering to. it's realy hard for me to express my thoughts in another language.
i htought you asked that how do i know that she died.
so i just wanted to write that it's not a story which i thought of, it really happened.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD





my opinion is that things are not right on this planet. the usa can start a war whenever the president wants to, almost half of the population of the earth is living in famine, terrorists attack schools and kill 200 children, there are religion fanatics etc...
but i don't think it's because they are evil. how do you tell a soldier who was trained to kill, and sweared to 'protect his country' that you're evil, man.and yeah, i'M against the way control in society today is . and you know what? that's why i boycott everything that's has something to do with multinational corporations.
if you think everything is allright, then you are lucky living there were you live, living how you live.

well i wouldn't say he was evil but isn't there a line somewhere that defines good from evil, not just for one person but for the entire populous, and if that means some people suffer in the interim for the benifit of others in the bigger picture - just a thought. So you use the internet and boycott anything to do with multinational corperations, how exactly do you go about that?

I never said that i think everything is alright so don't apply how you think i think or feel about where i live. I mean its great to say your against this and against that but what kind of alternatives are we looking at?





Originally posted by SgtD

no, i just realised what you were refering to. it's realy hard for me to express my thoughts in another language.
i htought you asked that how do i know that she died.
so i just wanted to write that it's not a story which i thought of, it really happened.

its cool, i can't speak any other languages so i commend your english, its hard to tell its a second language for the most part. So it really happened, why did it happen?

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
well i wouldn't say he was evil but isn't there a line somewhere that defines good from evil, not just for one person but for the entire populous, and if that means some people suffer in the interim for the benifit of others in the bigger picture - just a thought. So you use the internet and boycott anything to do with multinational corperations, how exactly do you go about that?

I never said that i think everything is alright so don't apply how you think i think or feel about where i live. I mean its great to say your against this and against that but what kind of alternatives are we looking at?

i'm not buying any of their products.
what kind of alternatives? to do what you think is right is an alternative. i'm not buying any of mcdonalds, because i'm fully avare what is going on there.
and by the way my friends and i did things which were for attention, and we achieved our goal. but i have already written this in another thread...



its cool, i can't speak any other languages so i commend your english, its hard to tell its a second language for the most part. So it really happened, why did it happen?
i don't know, but if someone says 'this had to happen ' i think it's wrong. i've been said these things after that incident, like 'she was an evil seed' and shit like that.
misfortune maybe.
but it worth thinking of because her father died 2or 3 month ago.
if there is a god why does he let these things happen?
imagine her mother. she lost her entire family in 3 month. and she was as religious as a woman can be.. she went to church with her family every sunday, prayed every day etc..
i think i heard something that she lost her faith due these terrifying happenings.
my grandmother has cancer. she is the most religious persoin i know. i asked her, if god is so great why ddoes he let you suffer that much? and she anwsered that this is a test for her, and she will be happy in the heaven. this fucked me up. she has been suffering for ages.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
i'm not buying any of their products.
what kind of alternatives? to do what you think is right is an alternative. i'm not buying any of mcdonalds, because i'm fully avare what is going on there.
and by the way my friends and i did things which were for attention, and we achieved our goal. but i have already written this in another thread...

Are you saying you don't buy any and boycott all products related to multinational companys, I'm asking what alternatives you use with your computer and internet connection, and don't you watch movies and stuff or do you only watch downloaded films or something? I'm just trying to get a picture of this multinational boycott because it does begin to look very inpractical, sure i boycott certain companys but not every multinational company.



Originally posted by SgtD
i don't know, but if someone says 'this had to happen ' i think it's wrong. i've been said these things after that incident, like 'she was an evil seed' and shit like that.
misfortune maybe.
but it worth thinking of because her father died 2or 3 month ago.
if there is a god why does he let these things happen?
imagine her mother. she lost her entire family in 3 month. and she was as religious as a woman can be.. she went to church with her family every sunday, prayed every day etc..
i think i heard something that she lost her faith due these terrifying happenings.
my grandmother has cancer. she is the most religious persoin i know. i asked her, if god is so great why ddoes he let you suffer that much? and she anwsered that this is a test for her, and she will be happy in the heaven. this fucked me up. she has been suffering for ages. Yeah well that kind of faith obviously helps some people.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
Are you saying you don't buy any and boycott all products related to multinational companys, I'm asking what alternatives you use with your computer and internet connection, and don't you watch movies and stuff or do you only watch downloaded films or something? I'm just trying to get a picture of this multinational boycott because it does begin to look very inpractical, sure i boycott certain companys but not every multinational company.]

i don't know why you brought up this computer thing. i have only illegal softwares (now i'm gonna get busted...)
i watch downloaded movies and copyed films mostly , yes.
and it's easy not buying from multis since we have quality products which often are better than the multis stuff.

Yeah well that kind of faith obviously helps some people.
sure, but that's some kind of odd fanatism(i don't know the word for that i want to say and it's not in my dictionary. less offensive meaning) i think

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
i don't know why you brought up this computer thing. i have only illegal softwares (now i'm gonna get busted...)
i watch downloaded movies and copyed films mostly , yes.
and it's easy not buying from multis since we have quality products which often are better than the multis stuff.


sure, but that's some kind of odd fanatism(i don't know the word for that i want to say and it's not in my dictionary. less offensive meaning) i think

Maybe i just figured you would have some original software or hardware perhaps from multinational company's like perhaps your cpu is intel? or perhaps a tv, or did you steal your tv? I dunno, i was just thinking about things you may have over looked which you might also want to boycott.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
Maybe i just figured you would have some original software or hardware perhaps from multinational company's like perhaps your cpu is intel? or perhaps a tv, or did you steal your tv? I dunno, i was just thinking about things you may have over looked which you might also want to boycott.

oh. so my hardware is yes, intel, lg, and genius. my harddrive is quantum. i didn't buy that. it was my parents. it was almost free, because we could have it's price as the tax back, and anyway you can't have anything else i think.
i think it's not as big problem , because not every country could have an industry producing htat stuff.
and my tv is orion, a hungarian type., it's just as good as a samsung or sony whatever.
i think the internet is a big opportunity for organising, and antiglobalisation.
for example for "actions"...

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
oh. so my hardware is yes, intel, lg, and genius. my harddrive is quantum. i didn't buy that. it was my parents. it was almost free, because we could have it's price as the tax back, and anyway you can't have anything else i think.
i think it's not as big problem , because not every country could have an industry producing htat stuff.
and my tv is orion, a hungarian type., it's just as good as a samsung or sony whatever.
i think the internet is a big opportunity for organising, and antiglobalisation.
for example for "actions"... yeah we have orions here i wouldn't buy one. So what your saying is you don't boycott all multinationals purely on them being multinational because you might find them useful in some way like the use of the internet. good luck in your boycott i'm not sure exactly what the prime objective is but good luck.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
yeah we have orions here i wouldn't buy one. So what your saying is you don't boycott all multinationals purely on them being multinational because you might find them useful in some way like the use of the internet. good luck in your boycott i'm not sure exactly what the prime objective is but good luck.
it's not like that.
i try to avoid the multis as i can. if there's a product that i can replace with a non-multinational type, i choose it., and sometimes if it's not a trademark it's just as good as the three times more expensive one. for example i wouldn't (and couldn't) buy a nike sweathshirt for 100$, because it's not that much better. it can be torn and it's not invulnerable. and i'm agianst buying stuff from them anyway.but i could have said the orion-sony example too. if it's that orion i hvae i don't know why wouldn't yxou buy one.

i don't know why are you so offensive with me at this point. i try to live my life how i think it's right, and i think i'm trying to make a change.i have one goal. to look into the mirror and say"i tried my best. noone can blame me" and if i can use a multinational corporation for my goals, it's cool for me. (like earth crisis signed to a major label to promote they are vegan sxe.)
if you don't like what i said that 's your business. and carry on with the sarcasm.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
it's not like that.
i try to avoid the multis as i can. if there's a product that i can replace with a non-multinational type, i choose it., and sometimes if it's not a trademark it's just as good as the three times more expensive one. for example i wouldn't (and couldn't) buy a nike sweathshirt for 100$, because it's not that much better. it can be torn and it's not invulnerable. and i'm agianst buying stuff from them anyway.but i could have said the orion-sony example too. if it's that orion i hvae i don't know why wouldn't yxou buy one.

i don't know why are you so offensive with me at this point. i try to live my life how i think it's right, and i think i'm trying to make a change.i have one goal. to look into the mirror and say"i tried my best. noone can blame me" and if i can use a multinational corporation for my goals, it's cool for me. (like earth crisis signed to a major label to promote they are vegan sxe.)
if you don't like what i said that 's your business. and carry on with the sarcasm.

Orion tv's look a bit shoddy to me.

i didn't realise i was being offensive.

what sarcasm?

[slinkysRrad]

My friend is forced to go to church. Also, any friend that sleeps over her house on Saturday is forced to go to church. They go to some wierd WIERD church. It's like a cult. I think most religions are like a cult.

[JustLikeUlil1]

I either consider myself atheus... or wiccan. I agree with alot of the beliefs in the Wiccan religion, but i'm not a wiccan witch. i don't do spells. lol.g2g... parents. bye.

.::.~*Stacey*~.::.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
good luck in your boycott i'm not sure exactly what the prime objective is but good luck.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD


that wasn't sarcasm, i was just saying good luck in what you are doing i don't really get it but good luck anyway. And i was definitely not being offensive, i mean would you rather i said i don't get it so i hope it all backfires on you and you have nothing but bad luck, i do not wish you any misfortune even if i don't see what your boycott is going to achieve. I have boycotted all those companies in the past but i re evaluated my stance on that, i am still interested to find out why my re evaluation changed that, and i like to see what people say who are still doing all that so i can a) make sure i am not deceieving myself and b) keep an understanding of the reasons do it. I say good luck in a genuine manner.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
that wasn't sarcasm, i was just saying good luck in what you are doing i don't really get it but good luck anyway. And i was definitely not being offensive, i mean would you rather i said i don't get it so i hope it all backfires on you and you have nothing but bad luck, i do not wish you any misfortune even if i don't see what your boycott is going to achieve. I have boycotted all those companies in the past but i re evaluated my stance on that, i am still interested to find out why my re evaluation changed that, and i like to see what people say who are still doing all that so i can a) make sure i am not deceieving myself and b) keep an understanding of the reasons do it. I say good luck in a genuine manner.
then i'm sorry for misunderstanding your reply.
thanks

[xsecx]

Originally posted by JustLikeUlil1
I either consider myself atheus... or wiccan. I agree with alot of the beliefs in the Wiccan religion, but i'm not a wiccan witch. i don't do spells. lol.g2g... parents. bye.

.::.~*Stacey*~.::.

you're greek?

[JustLikeUlil1]

Me? No. Not that I know of. My dad's french and my mom... she was adopted so we don't know, but we think she might be italian.

.::.~*Stacey*~.::.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by JustLikeUlil1
lol.g2g... parents


so this chat slang get's me a headache every time.
lol=laugh out loud, if i'm correct.
g2g...parents=?????????

[xsecx]

Originally posted by JustLikeUlil1
Me? No. Not that I know of. My dad's french and my mom... she was adopted so we don't know, but we think she might be italian.

.::.~*Stacey*~.::.

I was making an atheus joke.

atheist=someone who doesn't believe in any kind of god

atheus= a funny mispelling of atheist that sounds like a greek god.

[JustLikeUlil1]

oh. lol ok. I'm a little slow sometimes. :P

The whole "g2g...parents" is probably something I just use, mostly with my friends from school, cause they know the whole situation. I'm not 'suppose' to be online later than 11 at night, and now I think they actually gave me a bedtime lol but I can't remember if it's 11 or 1. But sometimes/most of the time I stay online later but sometimes when I do, they knock on my door and tell me to get off the computer... so I had to last night. That's why the whole thing "g2g...parents" meant. sorry for the confusion.

.::.~*Stacey*~.::.

[JustLikeUlil1]

oh, and g2g means Got to go. sometimes it's not gramaticaly correct... it should be "I have to go" but it's kind of a habit for me to use it most of the time.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by JustLikeUlil1
oh. lol ok. I'm a little slow sometimes. :P

The whole "g2g...parents" is probably something I just use, mostly with my friends from school, cause they know the whole situation. I'm not 'suppose' to be online later than 11 at night, and now I think they actually gave me a bedtime lol but I can't remember if it's 11 or 1. But sometimes/most of the time I stay online later but sometimes when I do, they knock on my door and tell me to get off the computer... so I had to last night. That's why the whole thing "g2g...parents" meant. sorry for the confusion.

.::.~*Stacey*~.::.

sorry but i'm still not getting it.
what does g2g mean?

[JustLikeUlil1]

it means I have to go. Or Got to go. I guess I'll just keep those type of things on aim and yahoo. keep actual english on here.

.::.~*Stacey*~.::.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by JustLikeUlil1
it means I have to go. Or Got to go. I guess I'll just keep those type of things on aim and yahoo. keep actual english on here.

.::.~*Stacey*~.::.

oh!
now i see.
you can use it here, i'm the only one (who posts regularly here) from a not english speaking country
now i'm not gonna die stupid!

[Sean The Red]

nothing like getting a big debate going, and disappearing for a week while it unfolds

[xscoutx]

CAN OF WORMS but here i am anyway. yeah religion is annoying. very, very annoying.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by xscoutx
CAN OF WORMS but here i am anyway. yeah religion is annoying. very, very annoying.

what else is annoying?

[xscoutx]

what else is annoying?
noisy eaters. yup. religion and noisy eaters are equally annoying to me.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by xscoutx
what else is annoying?
noisy eaters. yup. religion and noisy eaters are equally annoying to me.

why are those two things annoying to you? What i find annoying is when people say "thats annoying" but have no real reason why?

[xscoutx]

look, like i said to begin with, CAN OF WORMS. do not assume that i have 'no reason why' just because i chose not to go into it here.

[xscoutx]

but alas, here's a taste: 9 years ago when my then 16 year old brother comitted suicide by putting a bullet into his schizophrenic brain, i had christians telling me that he was in hell.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by xscoutx
but alas, here's a taste: 9 years ago when my then 16 year old brother comitted suicide by putting a bullet into his schizophrenic brain, i had christians telling me that he was in hell.
because he commited suicide?
yeah catholics say who commits suicide should not get a catholic funeral cos it's not natural death, and only god can decide who can die

[xscoutx]

yup. people were telling my parents too--like that's what the fuck they needed to hear--that because he comitted suicide, his soul was in hell. shit we don't believe that shit, but it was just WAY insensitive --and ANNOYING-- and fucked up for people to do that.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by xscoutx
yup. people were telling my parents too--like that's what the fuck they needed to hear--that because he comitted suicide, his soul was in hell. shit we don't believe that shit, but it was just WAY insensitive --and ANNOYING-- and fucked up for people to do that.
yeah it's not like they didn't have any problems and they got even that in their ear...
i hate religion so much

[xscoutx]

yup me too

and that's only my #1 reason. there are many...........

[SgtD]

Originally posted by xscoutx
yup me too

and that's only my #1 reason. there are many...........
i'm thinking of starting a new religion.
Dini's church. sounds great. eerybody can worship me(like they do even now!)

[straightXed]

Originally posted by xscoutx
look, like i said to begin with, CAN OF WORMS. do not assume that i have 'no reason why' just because i chose not to go into it here.

then why even start?

[straightXed]

Originally posted by xscoutx
but alas, here's a taste: 9 years ago when my then 16 year old brother comitted suicide by putting a bullet into his schizophrenic brain, i had christians telling me that he was in hell.

thats christians, very fanatic christians at that but what about all other religions?

[straightXed]

Originally posted by xscoutx
yup me too

and that's only my #1 reason. there are many...........

You know i find football hooligans very annoying and ridiculous, i think its pretty idiotic too, but i still like football. I find many aspects of religion absoloutley ridiculous, mainly the controlling, brainwashing and inconsistant preaching but i can't cast the whole of religion off because of the stupidity of most.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
You know i find football hooligans very annoying and ridiculous, i think its pretty idiotic too, but i still like football. I find many aspects of religion absoloutley ridiculous, mainly the controlling, brainwashing and inconsistant preaching but i can't cast the whole of religion off because of the stupidity of most.
what's your religion?

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
what's your religion?

what makes you think i have one?

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
what makes you think i have one?

Originally posted by straightXed
You know i find football hooligans very annoying and ridiculous, i think its pretty idiotic too, but i still like football. I find many aspects of religion absoloutley ridiculous, mainly the controlling, brainwashing and inconsistant preaching but i can't cast the whole of religion off because of the stupidity of most.

so you don't like football hoolies, but you like football.
you find many aspects of religion ridiculous, but some you find good.
i thought you are religious because of that.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
so you don't like football hoolies, but you like football.
you find many aspects of religion ridiculous, but some you find good.
i thought you are religious because of that.

I do find aspects of certain religions interesting and good, and the example i was attempting to make was to not simply cast all off religion aside because of the idiots that dwell there. I mean theres some complete idiots and assholes in hardcore and straightedge and its a real shame when people don't look a little further to make a more conclusive conclusion.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
I do find aspects of certain religions interesting and good, and the example i was attempting to make was to not simply cast all off religion aside because of the idiots that dwell there. I mean theres some complete idiots and assholes in hardcore and straightedge and its a real shame when people don't look a little further to make a more conclusive conclusion.
sp ypu believe in god, and are religious?

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
sp ypu believe in god, and are religious?

huh? Sorry i don't understand.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
huh? Sorry i don't understand.
do you believe in god? are you religious?
your posts made me think that you are

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
do you believe in god? are you religious?
your posts made me think that you are

define god, define religious.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
define god, define religious.
you got me, i could hardly define that in my own language

do you believe that the world was created? or your a materialist who believes the big boom nad the scientific stuff?

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
you got me, i could hardly define that in my own language

do you believe that the world was created? or your a materialist who believes the big boom nad the scientific stuff?

You know there are certain schools of christianity that believe in the big bang and that it was created by god.

Anyway, i don't follow the storys of creation and all that, i don't really concern myself with where we came from and where we go when we are done as it seems a little bit like a dog chasing its tail to me. i feel i should do the best with the now before i concern myself with that.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
You know there are certain schools of christianity that believe in the big bang and that it was created by god.

Anyway, i don't follow the storys of creation and all that, i don't really concern myself with where we came from and where we go when we are done as it seems a little bit like a dog chasing its tail to me. i feel i should do the best with the now before i concern myself with that.
so you're in between?

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
so you're in between?

no, i either am or i am not.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
no, i either am or i am not.
so you're not?

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
so you're not?

well i'm not sure really, i mean it depends on how you take the definition of god.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=god

after reading that depending on how you there fore take the meaning of god i either am or am not religious.

[SgtD]

Originally posted by straightXed
well i'm not sure really, i mean it depends on how you take the definition of god.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=god

after reading that depending on how you there fore take the meaning of god i either am or am not religious.
well i think it's a personal choice anyway

[straightXed]

Originally posted by SgtD
well i think it's a personal choice anyway

it can be, i mean i don't work well with orchestrated religion like christianity, and people that strain to push themsleves into a mold that doesn't fit.

[Sean The Red]

Originally posted by Sean The Red
It annoys me.

now it makes me angry.

I hate you Jesus