Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

**kuro** · 03-27-2009, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by xsecx

why wouldn't or shouldn't someone strive to live as consistently as possible? And why shouldn't other people point out when people are living lies? What people decide to do with it is ultimately their choice but that doesn't mean that the dialog isn't valuable.

i agree with you xsecx to an extent.

yes we should strive to live a better quality of life consistently, but its also our right to choose not to.

And yes, I kind of agree to an extent that pointing things out to people can be a positive thing, but when it becomes extreme, it becomes imposing or even right wing.

its like someone who is into vegan lifestyle and someone who is not.
obviously they both have different opinions. but neither is right or wrong.
its just that one may believe strongly about something - the other may not. but they both dont have the right to enforce their opinions on eachother.

and in terms of people's opinions being 'valuable' - would mean (to me anyway) that you can believe in whatever you want to believe - whether it be about religion, politics, or whether guns are right or wrong, we are all entitled to our opinions, values and beliefs so long as it doesnt impose or oppress other people.

the sad truth is we cant change people's minds.

even what we are discussing here on this forum, whatever the heck im rambling on about might not be of value or mean anything to the person next to me, but hey.. we are all entitled to it...

**x JAMES x** · 03-30-2009, 07:39 PM

you CANNOT be christian and be straightedge. HAIL SATAN!

**FELON500** · 03-31-2009, 08:05 AM

I'm an Independent Baptist, and it seems to be working fine for me.

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**xsecx** · 03-31-2009, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by FELON500

I'm an Independent Baptist, and it seems to be working fine for me.

guess you didn't really read anything other than the title..

**FELON500** · 03-31-2009, 11:21 AM

^ All 52 pages...no...

Busted!

My answer was on topic...right?

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**xsecx** · 03-31-2009, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by FELON500

^ All 52 pages...no...

Busted!

My answer was on topic...right?

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not really. could you also please remove bottom part of your messages?

**FELON500** · 03-31-2009, 01:51 PM

Straight edge is a life long commitment to abstain from all forms of recreational drugs including alcohol and cigarettes, and, depending on where you are from and personal definition of the term, to abstain from promiscuous sex.

These are the only guidelines for straight edge; all other lifestyle choices such as diet, religion, and political views are all optional disciplines often associated with straight edge.

So according to the most common set of straight edge guidelines that I can find. The answer is YES. You can be Christian and Straightedge.

P.S. Dusty...I sent you a P.M. concerning your request about the bottom parts of my post. Please reply when ever you have time. Thanx.

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**straightXed** · 03-31-2009, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by FELON500

Straight edge is a life long commitment to abstain from all forms of recreational drugs including alcohol and cigarettes, and, depending on where you are from and personal definition of the term, to abstain from promiscuous sex.

These are the only guidelines for straight edge; all other lifestyle choices such as diet, religion, and political views are all optional disciplines often associated with straight edge.

So according to the most common set of straight edge guidelines that I can find. The answer is YES. You can be Christian and Straightedge.

P.S. Dusty...I sent you a P.M. concerning your request about the bottom parts of my post. Please reply when ever you have time. Thanx.

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Are you sure you read it all? Your reply gives the impression that you didn't.

**FELON500** · 03-31-2009, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by straightXed

Are you sure you read it all? Your reply gives the impression that you didn't.

Nah, I got bored.

**straightXed** · 03-31-2009, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by FELON500

Nah, I got bored.

So why not read it and see what people are discussing?

**FELON500** · 03-31-2009, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by straightXed

So why lie and say you did?

Because I can. (Yes I caught that before you edited it out)

Originally Posted by straightXed

So why not read it and see what people are discussing?

Because I don't have to.

**straightXed** · 03-31-2009, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by FELON500

Because I can. (Yes I caught that before you edited it out)

yeah i misread what you put originaly, i thought you said you had read all 52 pages, my mistake. Thats why in my first reply i was under the impression you had read it all and was wondering why your post didn't relate to what has been discussed thus far.

Originally Posted by FELON500

Because I don't have to.

well then theres no point adding to the discussion if you aren't prepared to read what others have to say on it, it kind of ceases to be a discussion then. And seeing as what you are replying with ignores all the rather valid points raised it makes it pretty redundant anyway. But no, you don't have to read the thread but it makes sense to if you wish to enter into a discussion, surely you don't expect people to type out the arguments for and against just for you because you can't be bothered to read the discussion?

**FELON500** · 04-01-2009, 07:46 AM

This topic was started by Collin. So I really only have to address him when replying. He's the one who asked the question.

I think my reply with the most common guidelines of being Edge sticks to the topic and answers Collins question quite well.
IMO this thread was hijacked and then spun off topic through various arguments.
All these various arguments could have been new topic starters making for a more fulfilling experience for all.
Just because I don't want to argue fruitlessly, as apposed to an actual debate, doesn't mean I don't have something of value to say.

Now...these are just my opinions. I should have a right to them like anybody else. I'm not trying to sway anyone from theirs or convince anyone of anything.

**straightXed** · 04-01-2009, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by FELON500

This topic was started by Collin. So I really only have to address him when replying. He's the one who asked the question.

I think my reply with the most common guidelines of being Edge sticks to the topic and answers Collins question quite well.
IMO this thread was hijacked and then spun off topic through various arguments.
All these various arguments could have been new topic starters making for a more fulfilling experience for all.
Just because I don't want to argue fruitlessly, as apposed to an actual debate, doesn't mean I don't have something of value to say.

Now...these are just my opinions. I should have a right to them like anybody else. I'm not trying to sway anyone from theirs or convince anyone of anything.

Perhaps quoting the person you are responding to would be sound advice then! Because it looks like you are just joining in with the discussion as is.

Its really quite interesting that reasons you can't be edge and christian are considered hijacking and off topic by you.

Seeing as the various arguments are in direct response to the subject of reconciling christianity and edge i fail to see a reason for them not to be in this thread. I am unsure also as to how it would enrich your experience if they were not in this thread, would you care to ellaborate?

Well i haven't suggested you have nothing of value to say but your actions of disregarding the points that go against and contradict your opinion does give off a certain impression. Now i understand that that thus far there really hasn't been a sound argument for reconciling christianity and edge so i can see why you feel it would be fruitless but simply ignoring these points makes for an equally fruitless experience.

And again, i have not said you aren't entitled to your opinions, in fact far from it. All i am saying is there are opinions and points raised in this discussion that seem to leave the idea of it being possible to be straightedge and christian highly questionable at best. But like i say, i can understand how it seems fruitless to debate that, i can't see a possible way to reconcile the two and perhaps neither can you.

**xsecx** · 04-01-2009, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by FELON500

Straight edge is a life long commitment to abstain from all forms of recreational drugs including alcohol and cigarettes, and, depending on where you are from and personal definition of the term, to abstain from promiscuous sex.

These are the only guidelines for straight edge; all other lifestyle choices such as diet, religion, and political views are all optional disciplines often associated with straight edge.

So according to the most common set of straight edge guidelines that I can find. The answer is YES. You can be Christian and Straightedge.

P.S. Dusty...I sent you a P.M. concerning your request about the bottom parts of my post. Please reply when ever you have time. Thanx.

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this statement is ironic since the issue is with how christianity views and deals with alcohol and not really an issue about straight edge at all.