Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

[w.wright690]

i think that people can hold the key values of christianity and still hold to the straight edge lifestyle. being anti-alchohol and choosing not to drink it are two completely different things. choosing not to drink alchohol because it poisons your body is a personal choice and someone can make that choice without saying that alchohol is "evil" or unholy. so i think that someone could hold fast to their christian beliefs while still choosing not to drink, smoke, do drugs, or anything like that. if someone chooses to not drink, smoke, do drugs, or have sex before marragedoes that make them straight edge? because a christian can do all the things without defying scripture.

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i think that people can hold the key values of christianity and still hold to the straight edge lifestyle. being anti-alchohol and choosing not to drink it are two completely different things. choosing not to drink alchohol because it poisons your body is a personal choice and someone can make that choice without saying that alchohol is "evil" or unholy. so i think that someone could hold fast to their christian beliefs while still choosing not to drink, smoke, do drugs, or anything like that. if someone chooses to not drink, smoke, do drugs, or have sex before marragedoes that make them straight edge? because a christian can do all the things without defying scripture.

Yeah, but being straight edge is about more than simply choosing not to drink. It's an active rejection of drugs and alcohol. I don't really see how someone can claim to be straight edge and not be anti alcohol.

[w.wright690]

Yeah, but being straight edge is about more than simply choosing not to drink. It's an active rejection of drugs and alcohol. I don't really see how someone can claim to be straight edge and not be anti alcohol.

i see what you mean. it just doesnt make sense to me that because of one small detail you have to completely reject every aspect of such a broad religion.

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i see what you mean. it just doesnt make sense to me that because of one small detail you have to completely reject every aspect of such a broad religion.

yeah, but that's what happens when the religion is based on the words and actions of a god and someones personal morality is in conflict with that. The same is true with being vegan for moral reasons and christian. You get caught in a trap that morality changes with time but the religion doesn't.

[xSouthernEdgex]

Way off topic but is this a Revived dead topic or is it a rebirth of a new one?

I vaguely remember seeing one a few years ago that was similar. But i havent been on in a few years so it may be new.

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Way off topic but is this a Revived dead topic or is it a rebirth of a new one?

I vaguely remember seeing one a few years ago that was similar. But i havent been on in a few years so it may be new.

maybe I should check the dates. nvm

[w.wright690]

yeah, but that's what happens when the religion is based on the words and actions of a god and someones personal morality is in conflict with that. The same is true with being vegan for moral reasons and christian. You get caught in a trap that morality changes with time but the religion doesn't.

the thing about christianity is that most(logical) christians believe that if you believe the main, fundemental aspecs of the faith your are accepted into God's book of the saved. that is if you believe god created the heavens and earth, he is all powerful and all knowing, and that jesus came down and died to take away the burden of sin. An example of this sort of leeway that christians use is evolution. there are many people that believe that evolution happened but God started it all. they consider themselves christians because they believe the fundementals. personally i dont see anything wrong with that view. Although some would say that controdicts the book of genesis and the creation story there are many theories about it; i wont get into those theories right now. I think it's the same circumstance with alchohol. not a fundumental belief. Because with all the denomonations of the christian church there are many different practices, customs, and beliefs. But they all hold to the fundemental beliefs I listed above.

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the thing about christianity is that most(logical) christians believe that if you believe the main, fundemental aspecs of the faith your are accepted into God's book of the saved. that is if you believe god created the heavens and earth, he is all powerful and all knowing, and that jesus came down and died to take away the burden of sin. An example of this sort of leeway that christians use is evolution. there are many people that believe that evolution happened but God started it all. they consider themselves christians because they believe the fundementals. personally i dont see anything wrong with that view. Although some would say that controdicts the book of genesis and the creation story there are many theories about it; i wont get into those theories right now. I think it's the same circumstance with alchohol. not a fundumental belief. Because with all the denomonations of the christian church there are many different practices, customs, and beliefs. But they all hold to the fundemental beliefs I listed above.

yes, but that's a copout. They're picking and choosing what pieces fit their lives rather than accepting the religion as it is. There are parts of the bible that are completely ridiculous in modern times, but that's because humanity changed, not the "word of god" and it's completely convenient to ignore the pieces of the bible that you don't agree with. That's kind of the point. How can you believe that the bible is holy scripture and then ignore parts of it? Like for instance, being homosexual, or being against the eating of meat or being against the consumption of alcohol. The bible is very specific at either the condemnation of some things, like homosexuality, or the acceptance and promotion of others, alcohol and meat. Are you going to try and tell me that you can be a good christian and think that your god was wrong? How is that not blasphemy? Or do you not believe that jesus was divine and able to perform miracles? I would also argue that one cannot be logical and christian, since the basis of the faith itself is completely illogical.

[w.wright690]

yes, but that's a copout. They're picking and choosing what pieces fit their lives rather than accepting the religion as it is. There are parts of the bible that are completely ridiculous in modern times, but that's because humanity changed, not the "word of god" and it's completely convenient to ignore the pieces of the bible that you don't agree with. That's kind of the point. How can you believe that the bible is holy scripture and then ignore parts of it? Like for instance, being homosexual, or being against the eating of meat or being against the consumption of alcohol. The bible is very specific at either the condemnation of some things, like homosexuality, or the acceptance and promotion of others, alcohol and meat. Are you going to try and tell me that you can be a good christian and think that your god was wrong? How is that not blasphemy? Or do you not believe that jesus was divine and able to perform miracles? I would also argue that one cannot be logical and christian, since the basis of the faith itself is completely illogical.

i disagree that being a christian is illogical. i dont see how the world was just created by some random happening. i cant see how there could be no person to start everything. i dont see how we would be here without a creator. i dont think my god was "wrong". i think its foolish to take the bible completely literally.

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i disagree that being a christian is illogical. i dont see how the world was just created by some random happening. i cant see how there could be no person to start everything. i dont see how we would be here without a creator. i dont think my god was "wrong". i think its foolish to take the bible completely literally.

faith is opposite of logic. christianity is based on faith and therefore illogical.

so you think that drinking alcohol is good and right and something that everyone should do? So which parts can you take literally and which parts shouldn't you? Let me guess, the parts that you agree with are literal, and the ones that don't are allegory, right? Do you believe that the world would be a better place without alcohol? If you don't then how are you straight edge? If you do, then how can you think your god wasn't wrong for providing people alcohol?

[w.wright690]

faith is opposite of logic. christianity is based on faith and therefore illogical.

so you think that drinking alcohol is good and right and something that everyone should do? So which parts can you take literally and which parts shouldn't you? Let me guess, the parts that you agree with are literal, and the ones that don't are allegory, right? Do you believe that the world would be a better place without alcohol? If you don't then how are you straight edge? If you do, then how can you think your god wasn't wrong for providing people alcohol?

explain to me how believing in a god is illogical. you cant just say it then not explain it.
i agree with the entire bible. but if you have ever read the bible you would see that some parts are vague and could be interpreted by different people differently, as is with any written text. for example some people think that the book of genesis was literal. but another theory is that god created evolution. now people didnt just come up with this theory all on their own because they didnt like the idea of no evolution. the bible was written in hebrew and one translation of the first verse is "and god created light" another is "and there was a large bang" one supports the big bang theory but in our bibles today the other translation is used. so people dont randomly choose to change what is in the bible. people do reserch and understand what they're talking about which is key in critisizing something.
i know this has been said in posts before me, but alchohol is a great achievement of the human race and back there was nothing wrong with it. sure people got drunk back then but they didnt do any harm. in today's culture i think the world would be better without it but not back then. also alchohol as a whole isnt bad, people using it irrosponsibly is. and dont say "you should take the bible in context not find exuses like the time it was written" because if you do you should learn something about those times and not speak blindly.

I find it strange that you say that someone cant be straight edge and christian yet all of the straight edge beliefs are christian beliefs. the bible says not to have sex before marriage, and it says not to get drunk on wine(which also applies to drugs). you're practicing christian values and you say you cant be christian? doesnt that seem strange to you?

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explain to me how believing in a god is illogical. you cant just say it then not explain it.

faith is opposite of logic. If your belief in something requires faith, then it is illogical.


Main Entry:
log·ic Listen to the pronunciation of logic
Pronunciation:
\ˈlä-jik\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English logik, from Anglo-French, from Latin logica, from Greek logikē, from feminine of logikos of reason, from logos reason — more at legend
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1 a (1): a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration

god cannot be inferred nor demonstrated. your belief in god is based on faith, not on anything tangible or testable.

i agree with the entire bible. but if you have ever read the bible you would see that some parts are vague and could be interpreted by different people differently, as is with any written text. for example some people think that the book of genesis was literal. but another theory is that god created evolution. now people didnt just come up with this theory all on their own because they didnt like the idea of no evolution. the bible was written in hebrew and one translation of the first verse is "and god created light" another is "and there was a large bang" one supports the big bang theory but in our bibles today the other translation is used. so people dont randomly choose to change what is in the bible. people do reserch and understand what they're talking about which is key in critisizing something.

See here's the thing about that statement. The idea that god created evolution was only brought about after the concept of evolution was spread as an attempt to reconcile the issues with the creation myth. The bible is a static document, but science and human understanding isn't. Up until Darwin, and awful lot of people thought the creation myth in genesis was literal and correct, but when people started thinking about it they had a crisis of faith, so they had to try to come up with an explanation. People want to hold onto the religion whether or not it actually makes sense. So they come up with ways to play fast and loose with it. The key issue still remains, the bible is not a living document and as morality and humanity grows and evolves, crises in faith will continue and more and more of the bible with stop being literal and become allegory.

i know this has been said in posts before me, but alchohol is a great achievement of the human race and back there was nothing wrong with it. sure people got drunk back then but they didnt do any harm. in today's culture i think the world would be better without it but not back then. also alchohol as a whole isnt bad, people using it irrosponsibly is. and dont say "you should take the bible in context not find exuses like the time it was written" because if you do you should learn something about those times and not speak blindly.

Great achievement? How so, exactly? I'm confused, didn't you just say that the bible talked about the problems of drunkenness? And now you're saying that the problems with drunkards is a modern problem? Are you seriously going to try and say that alcoholism didn't exist in the time of christ and that it wasn't a problem, even then? I mean, wasn't that part of the reason why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed? If alcohol isn't bad, then why don't you use it and suggest that people do it? Your statements appear to be really inconsistent.

I find it strange that you say that someone cant be straight edge and christian yet all of the straight edge beliefs are christian beliefs. the bible says not to have sex before marriage, and it says not to get drunk on wine(which also applies to drugs). you're practicing christian values and you say you cant be christian? doesnt that seem strange to you?

Really? Straight edge isn't about not having sex until marriage. Is about the total and completely abstience from drugs and alcohol. The bible condones and encourages the use of alcohol. Your god created alcohol as a miracle, which is something in direct opposition to what straight edge stands for.

[w.wright690]

well about your first article i would like to say i think it is logical to live as if there is a god to die and find out there isnt than to live as if there isnt a god and to die and find out there is. i think that the millions of people in this world that believe in some sort of a god support the fact that faith counts for something. if no one felt anything than there would never have been any sort of faith. there has to be something there for people to feel it.

the fact that people started looking into the bible's creation story after darwin put his theory out there is true, but proves nothing. before that there wasnt many other supported theories of any other way that the earth came to be. so of course there going to study it after that. why wouldn't they? if they didnt do that they would be questioning their faith, the fact that those link only supports a creator.

my statements are not inconsistent. the people that got drunk back then didnt do any harm. they just walked around smashed, its not like they could get in a car and drive drunk. but it warps the mind. which is why it is wrong on a christian basis. it's much more a problem in today's culture because drunks can do much more harm here.

God created wine as a miracle to provide for his people. his people needed it to complete a wedding in jewish culture. the people werent drunk when he gave them wine. he gave them wine so they could get married. notice how he didnt just give random people alchohol just because. he gave it to them for a special purpose that was necessary.

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well about your first article i would like to say i think it is logical to live as if there is a god to die and find out there isnt than to live as if there isnt a god and to die and find out there is. i think that the millions of people in this world that believe in some sort of a god support the fact that faith counts for something. if no one felt anything than there would never have been any sort of faith. there has to be something there for people to feel it.

This doesn't make any sense, and I'm pretty much convinced at this point that you don't understand what logic means.

the fact that people started looking into the bible's creation story after darwin put his theory out there is true, but proves nothing. before that there wasnt many other supported theories of any other way that the earth came to be. so of course there going to study it after that. why wouldn't they? if they didnt do that they would be questioning their faith, the fact that those link only supports a creator.

It proves nothing? You're seriously not making sense. Do you seriously not understand that what you're doing, and what others before you are doing is reacting to something and then trying to figure out it fits into something that it doesn't? Prior to darwin people believed the creation myth was the literal truth. Do you dispute that? Do you know what made people change their minds about it?

my statements are not inconsistent. the people that got drunk back then didnt do any harm. they just walked around smashed, its not like they could get in a car and drive drunk. but it warps the mind. which is why it is wrong on a christian basis. it's much more a problem in today's culture because drunks can do much more harm here.

what are you basing this on? This is completely and totally historically and medically inaccurate.

God created wine as a miracle to provide for his people. his people needed it to complete a wedding in jewish culture. the people werent drunk when he gave them wine. he gave them wine so they could get married. notice how he didnt just give random people alchohol just because. he gave it to them for a special purpose that was necessary.

What does that have to do with people who are straight edge living in opposition to alcohol? The point was that jesus had no problem with the consumption or distribution of alcohol, something that straight edge people do. Are you trying to say that straight edge people don't have a problem with it?

[CarlaRant]

God created wine as a miracle to provide for his people. his people needed it to complete a wedding in jewish culture. the people werent drunk when he gave them wine. he gave them wine so they could get married. notice how he didnt just give random people alchohol just because. he gave it to them for a special purpose that was necessary.

Hi there, I just wanted to add a few points: There are some scholars that state that Jesus' first miracle of creating wine from water at the wedding was symbolic of the completion of the convenant/marriage between him and the Jewish people.

It was also common knowledge at the time that certain pagan gods were to be prayed to for this same miracle and it was written in rabbinic literature stating that various prophets and rabbis completed the same miracle as well as other miracles. It has been said that Jesus was to complete all of these miracles in addition to his sacrifice for humanity's sins to prove his power and to disprove the sacredness of the others.