I would like to say
Jesus drank wine, yes he did but the word drank is past tense. I doubt he drinks it anymore. Anyway, to get drunk is a sin, alcohol in all forms is allowed sensibly, but we are given a choice, and if we don't want any of the booze thats fine with God.
so it's fine with god that you think he's wrong? Isn't that blasphemy? Or are you saying that you don't think there's anything wrong with the consumption of alcohol?Originally Posted by optimismdefeats
It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us.
that is some nice art there, is that charcoal shading i see?
i like fingerpainting better, ahaha, im kiding
I just spent 1.5 hours reading through this thread. There has been some great discussion as well as some ignorant posts from various people. I think it's interesting that it has drug up after being dormant for one month. Since it already has, I'll add just a few comments:
Historically and culturally, the oinos (wine) was prominent at the dinner table in the Middle East. In fact, if you believe in the accuracy of the New Testament of the Christian Bible, Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine at the wedding in Cana (John 2:1-22). Unlike John the Baptist, Jesus did drink wine (quite possibly the reason why Baptists are so anti-alcohol nowadays). Followers of Jesus were merely warned to not consume to drunkedness because it degrades the body, thus the temple where the Holy Spirit resides. There are other passages in both the Old and New Testaments that have the same warning because of its possible dangers.
Logically one must think Jesus' actions were incorrect if the belief is held that anyone that consumes alcohol is in the wrong; not only did he partake, but he provided the alcohol in a the few recorded cases. However, if someone is a Christian, he believes that Jesus was the Son of Man and of God and died for humanity's sins. According to Jewish law, the animal (typically a lamb) used in the repentance sacrifice would need to be deemed "blemish free," also known as perfect. For Jesus to be the sacrifice for humanity's sins, he would have been perfect as well. If someone subscribes to this the latter belief that Jesus is the Son of God and perfect, the attitude towards alcohol, specifically wine, will need to change. Holding oneself higher than Jesus based on a straightedge lifestyle would be blasphemy.
It all boils down to perspective. I have chosen a straightedge lifestyle because I didn't like how I was on drugs, but I don't look down on my husband or friends who drink. Athough I do give people who smoke hell. HA!
um, i probably said something stupid in there, i changed since i posted that
dont kide me! Kider! Stop kiding me! Kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide!
I can and will just start deleting posts from you.
My main problem is that people tend to think that they can view the religion with modern eyes rather than viewing it within context. Hey I have no problems with homosexuals or women, so I'll just ignore the parts of the bible that condemn homosexuality and are sexist. People hold on to religious views by morphing them to fit them rather than the other way around and simply ignoring the parts that don't fit with their world view.
I don't look down on people that drink, but I do however deeply believe that it's unnecessary and that the world would be a much better place without it. and I also think god was wrong about a lot of things.
fine!
I don't think that drinking is wrong. It's just something I choose not to do, which is what edge is all about. It's just a choice. That's all it is. I don't think that edge contradicts Christianity because I don't think that drinking is wrong. It's just a choice. Yeah, people will say "It's a drug so it's wrong!" but if you look at it that way then everything is a drug. People who go eat a big meal from McDonalds every day are polluting their bodies too. Moderation is key.
why don't you chose to do it? If there's nothing wrong with it, why don't you do it? Do you think the world would be better place without alcohol? Do you think that alcohol consumption is a positive thing that should be encouraged?
I find myself wanting to ask the exact same questions dusty has asked. I also think its a very strenuous and flawed argument to liken everything to drugs.
Others walk the bow, I walk the string
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