argh..

[straightXed]

but you can always make the same commitment again! which would defeat the purpose of it in the first place :)

Accept it wouldn't be a commitment, just empty and hollow words.

[sXeAlaska]

Accept it wouldn't be a commitment, just empty and hollow words.

A good point. I suppose it's all just how you see it personally. One person may see something as breaking edge (drinking caffine, for instance) while another person may not. I think we all agree that drinking alcohol is breaking edge, it's just a question of whether a single break of edge is permanent, or if the lifestyle can be fixed.

[straightXed]

A good point. I suppose it's all just how you see it personally. One person may see something as breaking edge (drinking caffine, for instance) while another person may not. I think we all agree that drinking alcohol is breaking edge, it's just a question of whether a single break of edge is permanent, or if the lifestyle can be fixed.

So now you agree choosing to drink alcohol once is breaking edge? If you then decide never to drink again doesn't change anything, what remains true is edge was broken.

[AxZxHxC]

Again, personal opinion. There is a difference between drinking once and selling out. Yeah, wither way it's a pretty dumbass thing to do, but selling out is thinking it's ok. If you fuck up once, and then realize that you did, tell yourself that you did, and DON'T DO IT AGAIN, then that's a mistake. As to the comment about "give them an inch, they take a mile," it's not taking the mile, or even the inch that is being sXe. I belive that if you are sXe, that "inch" is the leeway for mistakes. If you take that mile, you aren't sXe.

No, its not opinion. If you drank alcohol, you drank alcohol. Theres no pussyfooting around it, you fucked up, you lose. There arent any freebies. I dont have a break edge token i can use whenever I break, its all over. If I did sell out and immediatley realized it was wrong, I wouldnt try to still call myself edge, because thats fucked up for all the people who stay strong and never sell out.

[sXeAlaska]

No, its not opinion. If you drank alcohol, you drank alcohol. Theres no pussyfooting around it, you fucked up, you lose. There arent any freebies. I dont have a break edge token i can use whenever I break, its all over. If I did sell out and immediatley realized it was wrong, I wouldnt try to still call myself edge, because thats fucked up for all the people who stay strong and never sell out.

I'm no saying there is any free token or shit like that. I'm just saying that dumb mistakes don screw a person for life. THAT is opinion. I agree that drinking alcohol is breaking edge. I also agree that if you say "I'll drink just this once and then I'll be edge again" is also shit and dosen't work. What I'm saying is that if you fuck up, realize that you have fucked up, and don't do it again, you aren't totally fucked for life. Otherwise, how could I guy who used to drink become edge, like some of those on here?

[sXeAlaska]

No, its not opinion. If you drank alcohol, you drank alcohol. Theres no pussyfooting around it, you fucked up, you lose. There arent any freebies. I dont have a break edge token i can use whenever I break, its all over. If I did sell out and immediatley realized it was wrong, I wouldnt try to still call myself edge, because thats fucked up for all the people who stay strong and never sell out.

I'm not saying there is any free token or shit like that. I'm just saying that dumb mistakes don screw a person for life. THAT is opinion. I agree that drinking alcohol is breaking edge. I also agree that if you say "I'll drink just this once and then I'll be edge again" is also shit and dosen't work. What I'm saying is that if you fuck up, realize that you have fucked up, and don't do it again, you aren't totally fucked for life. Otherwise, how could a guy who used to drink become edge, like some of those on here?

[sXeAlaska]

So now you agree choosing to drink alcohol once is breaking edge? If you then decide never to drink again doesn't change anything, what remains true is edge was broken.

Yes. I agree with that. I also believe that whemn you have screwed up, while you have broken edge, you can regain that path. Yes, you fucked up. But yes, I believe you can fix it.

[straightXed]

I'm no saying there is any free token or shit like that. I'm just saying that dumb mistakes don screw a person for life. THAT is opinion. I agree that drinking alcohol is breaking edge. I also agree that if you say "I'll drink just this once and then I'll be edge again" is also shit and dosen't work. What I'm saying is that if you fuck up, realize that you have fucked up, and don't do it again, you aren't totally fucked for life. Otherwise, how could I guy who used to drink become edge, like some of those on here?

I used to drink but that isn't the issue. What you originally argued was that you could be straightedge, drink and continue to be straightedge. No one has said that because they broke edge they are fucked for life just that it constitutes breaking edge and that is all that has been said.

[straightXed]

Yes. I agree with that. I also believe that whemn you have screwed up, while you have broken edge, you can regain that path. Yes, you fucked up. But yes, I believe you can fix it.

We aren't saying they can't continue to live a clean lifestyle just that they broke edge, as a comitment its broken. Like how you'd fix that is interesting to me, i mean if i break a promise i can never fix that once its been broken, i can make new promises but the integrity would be lessened. You just can't regain a path once its broken, you are carving new paths and then it becomes something other than straightedge.

[sXeAlaska]

We aren't saying they can't continue to live a clean lifestyle just that they broke edge, as a comitment its broken. Like how you'd fix that is interesting to me, i mean if i break a promise i can never fix that once its been broken, i can make new promises but the integrity would be lessened. You just can't regain a path once its broken, you are carving new paths and then it becomes something other than straightedge.

Agreed.