Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

**xsecx** · 06-01-2009, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Emily852

who's saying he's encouraging blasphemy? he's saying it's forgiveable.

Actually he isn't, but that appears to be lost on you.

maybe a picture will help you.

http://www.boston-catholic-journal.c...ly-trinity.jpg

That picture appears to make clear what I've been saying. They're all god.

If you only follow the old testement you're Jewish. The reason why Jewish people don't believe that Jesus is the true messiah is because he didn't fufill every single one of their prophecies. If you believe in the new testement and what Jesus was saying, you're christian. There's a difference between Christian and Jewish.

What does that have to do with the fact that christians invented the holy spirit?

If you put everything I said together in the last post, maybe it would have made some sense.

you're relating the holy spirit to jesus since it's all part of the trinity. But when you're allowed to be forgiven for one and not the other, CLEARLY it tells us that they are NOT the same. They are INCLUDED in the same thing, which is what you're supposed to worship: God.
Why would you say when you make the sign of the cross "in the name of the father, the son, the holy spirit" then why even recognize them as 3 names? They each MAKE UP the holy trinity, and the holy trinity itself symbolizes 1 thing, as God. It didn't say if you blasphemy the holy trinity. It said if you blasphemy the holy spirit but not jesus (who is recognized as the son).

You're playing word games to try and justify your statements. Can you honestly say that outside of this conversation that you'd believe that blasphemy of god and jesus is forgivable but blasphemy of the holy spirit is not? There's a round peg and no matter how hard you swing that hammer, it's not going to fit. You're saying in the same breath that they're not the same thing and then immediately saying they are. So then how exactly do you think it's forgivable to believe that god is wrong?

if that's how you want to say it, then I guess it's forgiveable anyways.

How would it be forgivable since it's blasphemy of the holy spirit?

**lo0m** · 06-02-2009, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by xsecx

the vast majority of christians and christian doctrine would disagree with you.

may be...but we have pure logic, common sense.. btw you would be propably suprised how many "mature christians" have the same problem with christianity beeing a monotheistic religion as me...

**lo0m** · 06-02-2009, 01:36 AM

If you only follow the old testement you're Jewish. The reason why Jewish people don't believe that Jesus is the true messiah is because he didn't fufill every single one of their prophecies. If you believe in the new testement and what Jesus was saying, you're christian. There's a difference between Christian and Jewish.

actually, it don't have to be true.. there are many Jewish people that believe that Jesus was Messiah and still follow the doctrines of Old Testament... and they don't call themselves christians...

**xsecx** · 06-02-2009, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by lo0m

may be...but we have pure logic, common sense.. btw you would be propably suprised how many "mature christians" have the same problem with christianity beeing a monotheistic religion as me...

are you sure you want to use the words logic and common sense when talking about religion?

**xsecx** · 06-02-2009, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by lo0m

actually, it don't have to be true.. there are many Jewish people that believe that Jesus was Messiah and still follow the doctrines of Old Testament... and they don't call themselves christians...

people can call themselves whatever they want, it doesn't necessarily make it an accurate statement.

**Emily852** · 06-03-2009, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by lo0m

actually, it don't have to be true.. there are many Jewish people that believe that Jesus was Messiah and still follow the doctrines of Old Testament... and they don't call themselves christians...

well there's still a difference between that and christianity

**Emily852** · 06-03-2009, 04:33 PM

(xsecx) you said in the other post that religion relies on faith

if religion is a matter of faith, why can't you have faith that it's justified?

**xsecx** · 06-03-2009, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Emily852

(xsecx) you said in the other post that religion relies on faith

if religion is a matter of faith, why can't you have faith that it's justified?

Because I don't put in stock in faith and believe that religion is a disease. I find it hilarious that people will try so hard to change and manipulate their religion to fit their world view rather than coming to terms with that fact that it's an outdated concept that should be abandoned. The bible hasn't changed, mankind has. What was considered taboo and horrible 2000 years ago is now common place, and what was considered normal 2000 years ago, now people think may not be the greatest idea. So rather than coming to terms with the fact that the religion is flawed, followers will continually try and change what the religion "believes" to fit modern times. It just doesn't make sense.

**easy** · 06-03-2009, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by xsecx

Because I don't put in stock in faith and believe that religion is a disease. I find it hilarious that people will try so hard to change and manipulate their religion to fit their world view rather than coming to terms with that fact that it's an outdated concept that should be abandoned. The bible hasn't changed, mankind has. What was considered taboo and horrible 2000 years ago is now common place, and what was considered normal 2000 years ago, now people think may not be the greatest idea. So rather than coming to terms with the fact that the religion is flawed, followers will continually try and change what the religion "believes" to fit modern times. It just doesn't make sense.

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