is coffee....

[lo0m]

but that really does not represent the culture, or does it? i've met edgers drinking coke or coffee... i don't drink for other reasons so i might be still wrong on this.. anyway, Carla, honey is definitely not vegan.. how it even could be?

[xvunderx]

but that really does not represent the culture, or does it? i've met edgers drinking coke or coffee... i don't drink for other reasons so i might be still wrong on this.. anyway, Carla, honey is definitely not vegan.. how it even could be?

To me honey is like the vegan Caffeine, it obviously flaunts the basic principals of veganism, but some decide it's too mild a case to bother with.

At the same time, the bees that produce the honey you see in a store, were used to pollinate the fields of vegetables, grains etc of the food you eat, and make the homey as a result. Most crops are not pollinated by the bees that live in the area a great deal is done by bee keepers who bring their bees to a farm to do the job. So even if you eat just what grows out of the ground, farmed bees had a hand in it.

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but that really does not represent the culture, or does it? i've met edgers drinking coke or coffee... i don't drink for other reasons so i might be still wrong on this.. anyway, Carla, honey is definitely not vegan.. how it even could be?

just because people do something that's inconsistent doesn't mean the question shouldn't be asked and folks shouldn't think about what they do in terms of their professed beliefs.

[Teratus]

Isnt there caffine in Chocolate too?


i think personally its a grey area

I only abstain from Alchohol, Tobbacco, Illigal/abused Drugs and sleeping about
well i guess i also abstain from going out too

but that has nothing to do with being edge really

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Isnt there caffine in Chocolate too?


i think personally its a grey area

I only abstain from Alchohol, Tobbacco, Illigal/abused Drugs and sleeping about
well i guess i also abstain from going out too

but that has nothing to do with being edge really

There is a negligable of caffeine in chocolate. The way i see it is its not really that grey if you do it in accordance with some logical reasoning. Like avoiding the use of any recreational drug is sound reasoning but avoiding that drug when it occurs in such small amounts that it will have no effect is not so sound and just makes it a burden with ne real reason. So with that in mind i would omit the idea of steering clear of the minimal caffeine found in chocolate just as i would not be that fussed over the tiny amount found in decaf products or the miniscule amount of alcohol found in soy sauce (perhaps this would make alcohol a grey area for you?). However, sodas with added caffeine have enough do cause a physical effect, as does coffee and tea and most of all energy drinks. I see no logical reason to partake in these, there are multiple alternatives that don't require me to dose my body with a stimulant that is addictive and messes with your central nervous system among other things. For me a sensible and logical stance would be to avoid caffeine in amounts that effect the body/mind if you are against the recreational use of drugs, otherwise i struggle to see how the stance is being consistant with the actions.

[CarlaRant]

To me honey is like the vegan Caffeine, it obviously flaunts the basic principals of veganism, but some decide it's too mild a case to bother with.

At the same time, the bees that produce the honey you see in a store, were used to pollinate the fields of vegetables, grains etc of the food you eat, and make the homey as a result. Most crops are not pollinated by the bees that live in the area a great deal is done by bee keepers who bring their bees to a farm to do the job. So even if you eat just what grows out of the ground, farmed bees had a hand in it.

^this. I don't agree with people eating honey, but again, it's an deabatable issue.

On the chocolate, when I was "hardcore" about being sxe, I wouldn't eat chocolate to avoid any caffeine and any tea would be herbal. However, my diet is already so limited, so I've eat chocolate on special occassions. :D

[Marion]

There is a negligable of caffeine in chocolate. The way i see it is its not really that grey if you do it in accordance with some logical reasoning. Like avoiding the use of any recreational drug is sound reasoning but avoiding that drug when it occurs in such small amounts that it will have no effect is not so sound and just makes it a burden with ne real reason. So with that in mind i would omit the idea of steering clear of the minimal caffeine found in chocolate just as i would not be that fussed over the tiny amount found in decaf products or the miniscule amount of alcohol found in soy sauce (perhaps this would make alcohol a grey area for you?). However, sodas with added caffeine have enough do cause a physical effect, as does coffee and tea and most of all energy drinks. I see no logical reason to partake in these, there are multiple alternatives that don't require me to dose my body with a stimulant that is addictive and messes with your central nervous system among other things. For me a sensible and logical stance would be to avoid caffeine in amounts that effect the body/mind if you are against the recreational use of drugs, otherwise i struggle to see how the stance is being consistant with the actions.

that's the way I think, too. Thanks for phrasing it haha.

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that's the way I think, too. Thanks for phrasing it haha.

No problem, its good to know i am not the only person who thinks this way!

[Lifestyle_X]

We're quite the healthy people.

[lo0m]

There is a negligable of caffeine in chocolate. The way i see it is its not really that grey if you do it in accordance with some logical reasoning. Like avoiding the use of any recreational drug is sound reasoning but avoiding that drug when it occurs in such small amounts that it will have no effect is not so sound and just makes it a burden with ne real reason. So with that in mind i would omit the idea of steering clear of the minimal caffeine found in chocolate just as i would not be that fussed over the tiny amount found in decaf products or the miniscule amount of alcohol found in soy sauce (perhaps this would make alcohol a grey area for you?). However, sodas with added caffeine have enough do cause a physical effect, as does coffee and tea and most of all energy drinks. I see no logical reason to partake in these, there are multiple alternatives that don't require me to dose my body with a stimulant that is addictive and messes with your central nervous system among other things. For me a sensible and logical stance would be to avoid caffeine in amounts that effect the body/mind if you are against the recreational use of drugs, otherwise i struggle to see how the stance is being consistant with the actions.

sounds good..

[Teratus]

Does make sense :)

I avoid alchohol completely though even food thats cooked in it

I hate alchohol

I wouldnt even have medical treatment if alchohol was necessary

[rodrigo]

I wouldnt even have medical treatment if alchohol was necessary

that doesnt sound so smart, man.

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Does make sense :)

I avoid alchohol completely though even food thats cooked in it

I hate alchohol

I wouldnt even have medical treatment if alchohol was necessary

Yeah, Rodrigo is right, that isn't smart. Thats detrimental to your own health and why exactly would you be against medicine? Wheres the logic behind that?

[Teratus]

Due to my father being a alchoholic and a drug dealer

i generally have a massive Hatered towards abused substances

so basicly if its abused i dont want it in my body even as medical

its just my own personal hate for it
other people using medical drugs doesnt bother me

plus I dont really hold much Value for my own life
Misanthropy does that to people though lol

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Due to my father being a alchoholic and a drug dealer

I'm sorry to hear that but its not a great reason to deny yourself medicine and potentially screw yourself up...i mean haven't you seen the effect someone screwing themselves up has on others? Your father being a prime example...why would you want to deny yourself medical help if needed if it serves only to make negative ramifications?

i generally have a massive Hatered towards abused substances

Being treated medicinally is not substance abuse...its the complete opposite, its using a substance to aid and help keep healthy.

so basicly if its abused i dont want it in my body even as medical

see above. You need to see the line between drugs being abused and drugs being used positively.

its just my own personal hate for it
other people using medical drugs doesnt bother me

Your own personal hate is what i am questioning.

plus I dont really hold much Value for my own life
Misanthropy does that to people though lol

Not really sure how that is funny? I value my life quite highly and also have a healthy amount of misanthropy...the two can coincide quite naturally so i strongly contest that as any kind of logical reasoning as to why you would omit medicine. If you do feel your life has little to no value i can assure you it can easily have value and more than likely already does. You should invest some time and energy into yourself.