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    Quote Originally Posted by holdXtrue View Post
    Not large, but it grows. They and earlier tried to appropriate ideas SxE in the RAC and Hatecore to music but until recently they never tried to play hardcore and to imitate in clothes and mosh dances. All of us it is perfectly known what bad role means mass media can to play, I do not want that people associate my way of life and our scene with any shit like it. = ( These guys never were a part of our scene and now they try to appropriate and to the stupid ideas that that at all does not belong to them.

    They sometimes like to mention that Hitler conducted a healthy way of life. It's so stupid... x(

    p.s
    sorry for my maybe not excellent english language
    I have heard about this too.
    Thank you for posting, it's really good to hear from a primary source about it.
    Also, don't worry, your english is better than most people's english who speak it as their primary language in America.

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    racism very bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by holdXtrue View Post
    Nationalism and fascism it very much serious problem in my country. At us numerous nazi skinhead movement. And the most awful that these people because of the hatred and ignorance try to connect ideas Straight Edge with fascism and racial pride. Also now they try to develop nazi-hardcore a stage they name itself Hardline. But they the only thing with whom only fight it with Anti-fascists. They even not a vegans or vegetarians they do not protect animals.
    They like to speak that in a hardcore there are no precise policy and consequently they can easy connect SxE ideas with their nazi shit. I think it's whole shit, i know that many of us are not in politics but always punk/hardcore scene was against racism and fascism.
    Punks, Hardcore/sxe kids, skinheads resist nazis on the streets and protect HxC/punk scene from dung. Some in the peace ways, the some people with the fists, but an essence in that that if it to not do that will occur too that has occured in England in in 70th with Skinheads. Many of our comrades are dead for their views. =(
    Just look http://www.antifa.org.uk/fallcom.htm

    Some of great hardcore lyrics about fascism and prejudice:

    7Seconds - RACISM SUCKS


    Do you think that all blacks are niggers?
    Ignorance is an attitude
    You wallow in your racist stupor
    Have you really stopped to think?
    Do you believe in the K.K.K., do you think White Power rules today?
    Would you like to shoot a white man dead, would you like to bust
    a black man's head - No way!

    In England there's the National Front, headstrong bunch, these fuckin' cunts
    With Webster as their figurehead, they liberate Hitler as he lies dead
    They think they're so bloody tough, paki-bashing ain't enough
    Martin Webster like the K.K.K., map out all the plans his own way

    Racism sucks! Racism sucks! Racism sucks!
    Racism sucks! Racism sucks! Racism sucks!
    Racism fucking sucks!

    Some black folks call the white race scum, cos they think we are the only ones
    Who only live in prejudice, while a lot of blacks live just the same
    Do you really judge a man, by the color of his skin
    You got the color, you got no right, to fuck up everybody else's life

    Racism sucks! Racism sucks! Racism sucks!
    Racism sucks! Racism sucks! Racism sucks!
    Racism fucking sucks!

    CALIBAN - Destroy Fascism Lyrics [Endstand cover]

    I've had enough of your lies
    Now it's the time to make it stop
    Spreading false propaganda how your race is clean
    How can you be so stupid? Colour doesn't mean a fucking thing

    Now we're ready to fight for everyone's right
    To live without fear getting attacked by you
    Baldheaded assholes this we won't tolerate
    It's time to put end to this fucking hate

    Destroy fascism!
    Antifascist action now...

    Pointing finger - hard times

    You think you’re so fucking right
    I thought judging people by colour
    was like choosing books by its cover
    but I’m not surprised
    I wonder when people will realize

    we’re living in hard times
    HARD TIMES
    people aren’t blind to the only thing that shouldn’t mind
    SHOULDN’T MIND

    these masks of fear shaped in our heads
    (the mentality of) “you better have a gun or you’ll be dead”
    so easy to hate so hard to embrace
    (neglecting essence) everybody deserves a chance

    we’re living in hard times
    HARD TIMES
    people aren’t blind to the only thing that shouldn’t mind
    SHOULDN’T MIND

    we’ll speak out, we won’t bow down
    fuck your system the time is now
    they may set the rules but we play the game
    just refuse to be their pawn
    so this picture will fucking stain
    what do you have better to show than racial pride
    'cause I only see old fears that you try to hide
    do you even know why you hate?
    why don't you get in someone's shoes and face their fate
    what if the world refused to turn
    your country at the dark
    where would you run?

    Agnostic Front - Fascist attitude

    Why should you go around bashing one another
    If they look or think different, why let it bother
    Everyones got their own style, their own thoughts
    Don't let it bother you, don't let it get caught
    Your fascist attitudes - we need the least
    With a scene that's fighting for unity & peace
    Don't need more anger; no more danger
    Don't need to hate; stop before it's too late
    Learning how to respect each other is a must
    So why start a war of anger & danger among us
    It's time to grow out of your nazi hypocrism
    When you really don't want part of a fucked up system

    Youth Of Today - Prejudice

    Arguing your point about which race is best
    think you've got some insight well it's just prejudice
    and the more that you argue the more mad you get
    well I don't want to fill myself with hate like that
    you're prejudice just look at you
    you're prejudiced and you're gonna be judged too
    You've taken your stance, you've split us apart
    let's see how many bad feelings you can start
    trying to make hatred seem real cool
    keep talking those facts you come off the fool
    you're prejudice just look at you
    you're prejudiced and you're gonna be judged too
    unite the race what listen
    we may be the same race but we're not the same [ PREJUDICE ]
    you're cowards looking for someone else to blame
    and you're just a few cause most are too smart
    to listen to all the shit that you start

    The Brotherhood - No Tolerance (For Ignorance)

    So proud of your country, nationalistic pride
    So proud of your race, prejudiced mind
    If you so love your country why can't you see
    It's made up of all people, no racial boundaries

    We're dedicated to stop your ignorance
    Band together to bring you to your knees
    For your actions we have no tolerance
    Your blind hate, prejudice, a disease

    Beating up kids who don't share your views
    Pull that shit with us and you'll lose
    We may lose some battles
    But we'll win this war
    We may have sat complacent once, no more
    i am now going to cover ALL of these songs
    FUCK

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    I'm against all forms of racism, nationalism and fascism. I came across this earlier http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=577361 i wondered if anyone had details of the event they mention cuz it'd be great to go and meet loads of edgers theres not that many round here n good too confront the fash too so as to stop them from spreading there racist propoganda.

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    I thought id post this so you didnt have to go too there crappy forum in the link i posted.

    In association with other groups and individuals plans for an NSBM and straight edge meet up have been passed forward for this year 2009 London.

    The NSBM scene in the UK is close to 0. The same is for the straight edge life style amongst pro-whites.

    We hope this can change in the near future.

    The plan is not a pointless social gathering. Straight edge is against drinking pathetic alcohol is a waste of time it's been seen and done before a bunch of white nationalists meet up and get drunk like negros.

    The idea is to spread and discuss ideology/s which is mainly straight edge and music and also share out many bootlegs. Some rare. A compilation cd will be giving out with half NSBM bands and the other Half Straight edge bands.

    Leaflets will also be giving out in bulks to members and then handed out to the public.

    If you are interested in this. You can reply here. PM me or simply spread the word.

    I recommend more whites consider the Straight edge lifestyle. It is 100% pure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sXe-Veganarcho View Post
    I thought id post this so you didnt have to go too there crappy forum in the link i posted.

    In association with other groups and individuals plans for an NSBM and straight edge meet up have been passed forward for this year 2009 London.

    The NSBM scene in the UK is close to 0. The same is for the straight edge life style amongst pro-whites.

    We hope this can change in the near future.

    The plan is not a pointless social gathering. Straight edge is against drinking pathetic alcohol is a waste of time it's been seen and done before a bunch of white nationalists meet up and get drunk like negros.

    The idea is to spread and discuss ideology/s which is mainly straight edge and music and also share out many bootlegs. Some rare. A compilation cd will be giving out with half NSBM bands and the other Half Straight edge bands.

    Leaflets will also be giving out in bulks to members and then handed out to the public.

    If you are interested in this. You can reply here. PM me or simply spread the word.

    I recommend more whites consider the Straight edge lifestyle. It is 100% pure.
    heh, chances are it's the same kid that tried to "organize" something and it blew up in their face with hilarious results.

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    Cheers lol
    NO WAR BUT THE CLASS WAR - NO COCKTAIL BUT THE MOLOTOV COCKTAIL
    LET US BREW NOTHING BUT TROUBLE!!!


    Have one on me - consuming is what makes capitalism work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsecx View Post
    heh, chances are it's the same kid that tried to "organize" something and it blew up in their face with hilarious results.
    why did he even think that would work?
    FUCK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Segadoway View Post
    why did he even think that would work?
    consider we could never get a straight answer out of it, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsecx View Post
    consider we could never get a straight answer out of it, I don't know.
    hmmm, typical stormfronter.
    FUCK

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    Sure nazi's and racism are bad, wont hear me say anything different.
    But i do support a mild way of nationalism, even though i realise thats quite
    ignorant considering Belgium is part of the European Union.
    But still i think our polititians (thats correct english?) are to stand up
    in the european congress and speak load for the Belgian case.

    Extremism isnt good for anything, not for nationalism at all.
    But i do believe you can get a form of nationalism without being a racist.

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    Unhappy




    Evening Monday 16th, 26 years old Ivan Khutorskoy aka Vanya-kostolom was shot dead at the entrance of his house. This name is not well-known among general public, but he was a colossal figure among Russian antifascists and left activists. First of all he is known as one of informal leaders of youth antifascist movement, and one of founders of R.A.S.H. (Red and Anarchist skinheads) – community of skinheads-antifascists adhering to the left political views. It’s obvious for the most of his friends that the murder has been committed by Russian neo-nazi.

    Ivan Hutorskoy was born in Moscow on 17 February 1983. By the age of eleven, he was driven by punk-rock, and this subculture of rebels had engulfed him and set the direction which he followed all life long.

    It was late 1999, when antifascist ideas entered his head. It was time when Vanya had his first fist fights with Nazis at the concerts of Distemper, Schlus and Spitfire. Many nazist dregs came then to every rock concert, ska punk especially. They shouted their slogans, raised hands in nazi salutation, insulted and beat those who came to enjoy music. It used to be normal then, but Vanya decided to put an end to all this, and accompanied by his friends he kicked the nazi s***** out. Largely, it his merit that nowadays, ten years later, it has become possible to visit rock concerts without fear that drunken Nazis would come and spoil everything.

    Vanya was very strong, physically and morally. He graduated a department of law with excellent marks. He mastered his skills and achieved good results in armwrestling and sambo (self-defense without weapons). He made friends easily being a center of attraction for many people. Vanya has never skulked behind others and personally proved that Nazis could be and should be defeated. His strength and formidability have won him a nickname Kostolom or Butcher. This awesome nickname reflected the fear of Nazis. None of them would ever wanted to cross his path. Nevetheless, his friends shall confirm his sincere benevolence. With all his indisputable authority among antifascists, Ivan has never put himself above others – this is another strong feature of his character. Anybody could approach him. He treated all people without prejudice, irrespective of their nationality, race or tastes. Vanya was openhearted with everybody.

    In the beginning of 2004 Vanya became a skinhead. He understood that it was time to move ahead and bring struggle against fascism beyond concert platforms because nazism in Russia will not disappear by itself. The skinhead subculture seemed to him more serious for further combat and self-expression, and its left wing R.A.S.H. looked most appropriate for realisation of his belief. Approximately at the same time Vanya becomes Straight edge supporter: he completely refuses alcohol. Psychotropic substances have always been unacceptable to him.

    He was ruthless to enemies, but he never used weapons believing that victory must be fair.

    Nazis were afraid of him. They hated him and tried to kill him more than once. They attacked from behind and cut his back with a knife. But nobody has ever attempted to approach him in the street and put things straight openly. There is no such a Nazi in Moscow who would dare.

    Recently Vanya ensured safety of various actions. Him was often invited to protect concerts, meetings, sport competitions, etc. When Vanja got down to business, all had a confidence that all will be as it should be. He was supporter of the family. His father died last year and Vanja had to provide his family financially. He worked in Juvenile State Abandonment, Crime, Drugs Use and AIDS Prevention Center named ‘Street children’. His colleagues recommend him as a disciplined intellectual.

    He feared nobody. When his photos and home address appeared on many fascist sites, there was not a trace of change in his behaviour, he treated it as all skinheads do: nothing unusual. His credo was to be himself up to the end. Unfortunately, friends could not convince him to move to a safe place... Murderers have apparently taken him unaware, for they did not hope to win in a hand-to-hand fight and had chosen “the ultimate guarantee” - a pistol.

    Rest in peace!

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    yeah, another sad story from Russia... RIP
    Take the time. Don't be blind. You will find. An open mind. There's no need for you to tell me what I've done wrong. I can, can see, all this contradiction around me. I just, just want, I want to be free. Don't question my actions. I never said that I was flawless

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    is this getting any press or attention in russia?

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    i think it did when they tried to burn the reporter in his own house about 2-3 years ago.. now - not enough (according to czech antifascists)...
    Take the time. Don't be blind. You will find. An open mind. There's no need for you to tell me what I've done wrong. I can, can see, all this contradiction around me. I just, just want, I want to be free. Don't question my actions. I never said that I was flawless

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