Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 38

Thread: Socialism

  1. #1
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    75

    Socialism

    So, I'm reading up on socialism, and when I came out of the library, my mom said that I was gonna be like adolf hitler, because he was a socialist. I told her that it has nothing to do with that, and that right now we are living in a capitalist society, that exploits its hard workers. What are your ideas on this?

  2. #2
    Token Canadian mouseman004's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Pickering/Waterloo, Ontario (Canada)
    Posts
    2,363
    Quote Originally Posted by sxeforlife555
    So, I'm reading up on socialism, and when I came out of the library, my mom said that I was gonna be like adolf hitler, because he was a socialist. I told her that it has nothing to do with that, and that right now we are living in a capitalist society, that exploits its hard workers. What are your ideas on this?
    Hitler was not a socialist, he was a Facist and in fact he was deathly afraid of socialism. I do not beleive in socialism solely based on the idea that it is impracticle and has yet to successfully exist in the real world (although that is debateable based around individual views towards Cuba). I beleive that capitalism does have flaws but that is based more on its execution, not the system itself.
    Later Days

  3. #3
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    70
    Hitler was not a socialist. He was a National Socialist, which is what Nazi stands for. It has nothing to do with socialism in fact, more to do with extreme nationalism. As Benito Mussolini said, "Fascism is better called corporatism because it combines the power of the state with the power of corporations." Fascism is ultra-capitalist, not even close to socialism.
    And Mouseman- Communism hasn't been satisfactorily practiced. The European Union is socialist, and I wouldn't call them a failure in any sense of the word.
    Last edited by xANTI-HUMANx; 01-02-2008 at 03:41 PM.
    Love of this country is based on nothing but the fear of living somewhere worse/And gratitude shouldn't be the reaction to someone else being slaughtered first!-
    Aus-Rotten- The Dying and The Dead

  4. #4
    Administrator xsecx's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    DC
    Posts
    19,366
    Quote Originally Posted by xANTI-HUMANx
    Hitler was not a socialist. He was a NATIONAL SOCIALIST, which is what Nazi stands for. It has nothing to do with socialism in fact, more to do with extreme nationalism. As Benito Mussolini said, "Fascism is better called corporatism because it combines the power of the state with the power of corporations." Fascism is ultra-capitalist, not even close to socialism.
    And Mouseman- Communism hasn't been satisfactorily practiced. The European Union is socialist, and I wouldn't call them a failure in any sense of the word.

    the eu isn't really anything. the member states however are to varying degrees socialists, and in those there are examples of failure. Like the NHS in the UK.

  5. #5
    Token Canadian mouseman004's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Pickering/Waterloo, Ontario (Canada)
    Posts
    2,363
    Quote Originally Posted by xANTI-HUMANx
    And Mouseman- Communism hasn't been satisfactorily practiced. The European Union is socialist, and I wouldn't call them a failure in any sense of the word.
    Technically that isn't true. The original meaning of socialism (economically that is) was state ownership of the means of production. One of the criteria for membership into the European Union is the maintenance of a competitive market economy. So although states within the european union share some socialist ideas, none of them are truly socialist.
    Later Days

  6. #6
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    70
    Sorry, Mouseman, you're right. I was thinking of the more loose application of the term that's thrown around by American politicians, but in terms of what it really is at the heart, it is indeed what you described.
    And Dusty- You want to talk about failure, look at the American healthcare system. At least England's doing better than us.
    Love of this country is based on nothing but the fear of living somewhere worse/And gratitude shouldn't be the reaction to someone else being slaughtered first!-
    Aus-Rotten- The Dying and The Dead

  7. #7
    ..... straightXed's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    England, UK
    Posts
    12,530
    Quote Originally Posted by xANTI-HUMANx
    Sorry, Mouseman, you're right. I was thinking of the more loose application of the term that's thrown around by American politicians, but in terms of what it really is at the heart, it is indeed what you described.
    And Dusty- You want to talk about failure, look at the American healthcare system. At least England's doing better than us.

    And how is england doing better exactly? Do you know what state the NHS is in?
    Others walk the bow, I walk the string

  8. #8
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    70
    To some extent. But I know more about the American system. And, from what I know, there are fundamental differences that makes comparing the US healthcare to the NHS like apples to oranges, especially considering you and I are probably coming from totally different places on the political compass.
    Though I am going to point out the corruption around the American system. To quote the oft-repeated line, "I've seen emergency rooms check wallets before wounds." Sure, the American system works great... if you've got employer-provided health insurance.
    Love of this country is based on nothing but the fear of living somewhere worse/And gratitude shouldn't be the reaction to someone else being slaughtered first!-
    Aus-Rotten- The Dying and The Dead

  9. #9
    Administrator xsecx's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    DC
    Posts
    19,366
    Quote Originally Posted by xANTI-HUMANx
    To some extent. But I know more about the American system. And, from what I know, there are fundamental differences that makes comparing the US healthcare to the NHS like apples to oranges, especially considering you and I are probably coming from totally different places on the political compass.
    Though I am going to point out the corruption around the American system. To quote the oft-repeated line, "I've seen emergency rooms check wallets before wounds." Sure, the American system works great... if you've got employer-provided health insurance.
    you really have no idea what you're talking about you should really do some research before you start talking about the NHS and it not being a failure. or bankrupt. or corrupt. or fucked.

  10. #10
    ..... straightXed's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    England, UK
    Posts
    12,530
    Quote Originally Posted by xANTI-HUMANx
    To some extent. But I know more about the American system. And, from what I know, there are fundamental differences that makes comparing the US healthcare to the NHS like apples to oranges, especially considering you and I are probably coming from totally different places on the political compass.
    Though I am going to point out the corruption around the American system. To quote the oft-repeated line, "I've seen emergency rooms check wallets before wounds." Sure, the American system works great... if you've got employer-provided health insurance.
    I don't think my political stance has anything to do with this as it really doesn't factor into how the NHS actually preforms. It is a very different system but you would benifit from actually understanding how flawed it is and what it was built to acheive. On the surface it sounds great maybe but its probably one of the biggest issues that this country needs to address, its continually failing and its really no supprise that is a constant subject of debate from scrapping it all together to the continual question of where has all the money gone? I am becoming more aware of the american medical practice and whilst it is very money oriented and even with health insurance theres costs that can be very high but you pay for a much higher standard of care compared to what you would recieve under the NHS. I know health insurance is an issue but i think you have made a very erronous assertion about england doing health care better, research it some more is my suggestion.
    Others walk the bow, I walk the string

  11. #11
    Registered User Straightedge revenge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    ENGLAND
    Posts
    48
    Quote Originally Posted by xsecx
    you really have no idea what you're talking about you should really do some research before you start talking about the NHS and it not being a failure. or bankrupt. or corrupt. or fucked.
    I think you need to live in the UK before dissing the NHS. It does have problems but it is not corrupt.In Some areas of the UK it is not as good as others but on the whole it works well. A lot of people bad mouth the NHS, but the truth is when you need it it is there. As for the UK being anywhere near a socialist country you are far off. All this said and done i am far from being a socialist, but felt your comments about the NHS were way off. Especially when talking to someone from the UK about the issue.
    The kids today couldn't stand one song in the pits we had back then !

  12. #12
    Administrator xsecx's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    DC
    Posts
    19,366
    Quote Originally Posted by Straightedge revenge
    I think you need to live in the UK before dissing the NHS. It does have problems but it is not corrupt.In Some areas of the UK it is not as good as others but on the whole it works well. A lot of people bad mouth the NHS, but the truth is when you need it it is there. As for the UK being anywhere near a socialist country you are far off. All this said and done i am far from being a socialist, but felt your comments about the NHS were way off. Especially when talking to someone from the UK about the issue.
    does being married to brit, spending a fair amount of time over there every year, and having a father in law almost die because of it's ineptitude count? Or a grandmother in law that lost toes because she couldn't be seen in time to save them? You make it sound like I haven't spent any time in a UK hospital, when in fact I have and have seen how well it "works" first hand. I know of personal cases where it wasn't there when my family needed it. My words are based on personal experiences. If it's not corrupt, then why is it bankrupt? If it's so great, then why do thinks like bupa exist? You may not want to make assumptions about people and their experiences until you get to know them.

  13. #13
    ..... straightXed's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    England, UK
    Posts
    12,530
    Quote Originally Posted by Straightedge revenge
    I think you need to live in the UK before dissing the NHS. It does have problems but it is not corrupt.In Some areas of the UK it is not as good as others but on the whole it works well. A lot of people bad mouth the NHS, but the truth is when you need it it is there. As for the UK being anywhere near a socialist country you are far off. All this said and done i am far from being a socialist, but felt your comments about the NHS were way off. Especially when talking to someone from the UK about the issue.
    I live here and i would agree that there is corruption on both medical and administrative sides. I mean you just have to look at how flawed our system is compared to other national health services from other European countries and how much money we continually throw at it, its a failing system in comparison to others and it really is one of the main issues that is continually under focus in this country. I mean the statement "In Some areas of the UK it is not as good as others but on the whole it works well" may very well be true but its a national health service and it shouldn't fail in one area and be ok in another, it comes down to that whole postcode lottery thing. And that pretty much illustrates that its not always there when you need it, i had huge problems finding a dentist to accept NHS and that is a common problem, likewise with GP's who's reaction to most things is to prescribe anti-biotics (something that has recently been criticized by the government as a possible reason that we are suffering more and more super bugs) are over worked and often misdiagnose health issues as a result. Yes this can happen anywhere but i have had it happen to me, to my step dad and my mother, to most people i speak to. It seems everyone has a horror story to tell from the NHS and it really shouldn't be that common, there are some huge problems with our health service that can't and shouldn't be glossed over or ignored.
    Others walk the bow, I walk the string

  14. #14
    Im A Person Just Like You but I like to fuck some shoes D1988's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Scotland, UK
    Posts
    3,055
    Quote Originally Posted by xsecx
    does being married to brit, spending a fair amount of time over there every year, and having a father in law almost die because of it's ineptitude count? Or a grandmother in law that lost toes because she couldn't be seen in time to save them? You make it sound like I haven't spent any time in a UK hospital, when in fact I have and have seen how well it "works" first hand. I know of personal cases where it wasn't there when my family needed it. My words are based on personal experiences. If it's not corrupt, then why is it bankrupt? If it's so great, then why do thinks like bupa exist? You may not want to make assumptions about people and their experiences until you get to know them.
    I'm totally agreeing with Dusty on this one. I've had enough experiences in my family alone to realise how bad the NHS really can be.

    And Ed mentioned NHS dentists, there is now only 1 NHS dentis near me, it opened not so long ago and it's books were full up in a few days, people queued on the telephone line for 2 hours to get through and register with them. I have no dentist right now and haven't done for probably close to 2 years. This is just one minor example of my NHS related experiences and this is probabaly the least shocking one.
    I'm a person just like you
    but I like to fuck some shoes
    On the sofa or in my bed
    It's better than getting head
    Tie the laces on my schlong
    'cos of a nike air max it's standing strong
    I'll even hump it till i bleed
    normal sex life i don't need

  15. #15
    Administrator xsecx's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    DC
    Posts
    19,366
    Quote Originally Posted by D1988
    I'm totally agreeing with Dusty on this one. I've had enough experiences in my family alone to realise how bad the NHS really can be.

    And Ed mentioned NHS dentists, there is now only 1 NHS dentis near me, it opened not so long ago and it's books were full up in a few days, people queued on the telephone line for 2 hours to get through and register with them. I have no dentist right now and haven't done for probably close to 2 years. This is just one minor example of my NHS related experiences and this is probabaly the least shocking one.
    yeah. my inlaws and sister in law's old dentist quit and now they can't find anyone taking nhs patients. way to go NHS!

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •