
Originally Posted by
XRobLupusX
If you're not involved in the HC scene you're not straight edge, I get that but come on for life? the way to be involved firsthand is by going to shows that's what gives you the right to voice you opinion or by starting a band. I don't know about you but I can't be going to shows all my life either. Once you get so old you don't really have a voice anymore even if you're active in forums like these and if new kids get into the scene and they have new ideas: let's say they put less emphasis on the whole scene aspect and stress more about just the drug free aspect, even though they go to shows which I am seeing very often. and you try to correct them but you can't because who's going to listen to an old man who's too old for shows? Do you mean to say when you get that old so that you can't protect the emphasis on the scene and bands etc., you aren't straight edge anymore but someone who is just now only drug free. weren't you the one who said that sXe has changed in the time you joined? but the underlying concepts stay the same.
Minor threat didn't want to identify with sXe because of the gang association and fanaticism in the early 90s, they were sXe before that and set the very first core values of sXe which originally was that Ian didn't drink or smoke. Kids followed that and made it a movement even though he didn't intend it to be movement, he still promoted the values. so he has been active in the scene enough to take those opinions seriously. Now other ppl entering the sXe scene had there say but I think Ian's message was simple enough. Like you said the reflections of what sXe should be representational of those involved. CM PUNK is involved and obviously in the beggining you didn't have to be involved in the scene for life. the issue was never addressed.
I'm not saying that you think this but I'm curious how you or anyone else would address this issue by the line reasoning mentioned in that first paragraph. eventually in the long run the ppl who have impacted edge will die and the next generation will have a set of different opinions. I think ppl are beggining to demphasize the consumerist part of buying albums and stuff or (even going to shows) which is sad but there may not much the veteran edgers can do if speecking on the long run. correct me if i'm wrong, honestly I'm not being sarcastic. I don't think you have to voice your opinion for life because the only way you can is by going to shows and being apart of other edgers and if you do who would listen to an old clique. even if you could tell newer generations the truth what can you do after so long. It's not destoying edge its changing it. Like you said everyone has an equal voice and to dismiss other's opinions as destructive to sXe is egocentric. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just stating my opinions as edge myself.
maybe you're right CM PUNK involentarily sending a simplistic view on sXe and as a result kids will call themselves straight edge without caring for HC. I got me there. You don't have to bite my head off. I'm trying to have detached discourse here without the emotional tension. oh by the way CM Punk isn't my only hero, and I respect and try to consider all the influential bands and people who shaped edge. Oh and CM Punk isn't the only force behind this change in edge. plz don't go there.
btw however you respond I'm happy to have a conversation w/ someone like you who really cares enough to correct newbies like me. Really, I'm trying my hardest to understand the finer details of sXe. You're right wikipedia can't give me an good enough take on straight edge neither have I got anything good enough on the internet either. Straightedge.com only gave a short list of sxe ideals but I this forum did.
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