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not greatly organized kids who feel the need to deal with drugs and alcohol use in a violent way.

and if you decide to just be an asshole then you'll get bounced like tahir.

So you just admit that people's reasons for being vegan differ from your theory and that you are projecting morality on something that doesn't have morality attached to it. And even if you wanted to...

please look up the word vegan and use it correctly.

if by opposition you mean someone acting like a 4 year old and resorting to doing nothing but name calling, sure. There are plenty of people who come here with opposing views and very few get banned,...

No, being vegan means that you don't consume animal products, it doesn't have any inherit moral beliefs with it that discusses guilt or innocence. Abortions don't happen, for the most part to fetus's...

Of course some of us actually believe that Tahir's beliefs and actions are actually having a NEGATIVE effect on the world. The entire idea and concept of hardline is completely illogical and not...

Actually an abortion is simply a medical treatment. It also doesn't have to be invasive at all in the forms of chemical abortions. Nothing you've said here backs up that it's a ridiculous comparison....

How is it extreme to let a woman decide if she wants to be a mother or not? How is an embryo innocent or being punished when it's not a child, or a life?


neither does early term abortion, fetus...

Oh you mean like this? http://www.plannedparenthood.org/news-articles-press/politics-policy-issues/abortion-access/induced-abortion-6137.htm
You live in a dream world that isn't based on the reality...

how is it an extremity? Why should someone be able to seek medical treatment for a broken leg that happened as an unintended and unwanted consequence due to risky behavior but you shouldn't be able...

right, a broken leg effects your life an awful lot less than being forced to have a child you don't want. So then how is it a stretch, it's still a consequence that wasn't intended? If you should be...

because you're completely and totally wrong? http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-control-pregnancy/abortion/risks-and-side-effects.htm



so to sum up, women aren't capable of making decisions...

If you say something that actually makes sense and doesn't contradict something else you say then I'll take it, since you don't, I won't. Your "simply layed out answers" don't actually address the...

And for that to be relevant all technology and human progress would have to be wiped out, so how is this relevant to the world today? How much of the human population lives as you describe?


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Then what is necessity? For hardline to make sense you'd have to kill/get rid of most of humanity and only exist in places that could sustain fruit and vegetable farming. If humans have to rely of...

and you're a fucking idiot if you think you can say that all life is equal and then have some situations where human life is elevated over animal rights. i.e. this part "This single ethic ensures...

I must have missed the part where anyone but tahir did anything immature, but please feel free to point it out. I wasn't aware that we weren't discussing ideas and that it was just insults, but...

And it's still a contradiction in beliefs. Either all life is innocent and should be protection or some life is innocent and should be protected. Unless you want to explain to me how some means all? ...

so the animals are only innocent and worthy of protection only some of the time?



and that's nice, but it's still against the manifesto. it's still killing "innocent" life. Even if hardline...

yeah, see I'd like to see some history to back up this statement, since most history and sciene point to indigenous cultures eating meat and fucking a lot and getting drunk or high.



uh huh. ...

existed from the beginning of time? oh yeah? what are some examples of it through out time?
hardline was an organization and not a lifestyle, so if the organization doesn't exist anymore how are...

who are you talking to?

yes, hardline was an actual organization with a head and an official roster. the dude who ran it disbanded it when he started getting into the wacky muslim shit that he and the former hardline people...

hardline was never a violent free way of living though, even by the guy who wrote the manifesto.