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08-31-2006, 09:45 PM
Michael

Am I the only one?

Is it just me, or do some of you guys get pissed when someone claims edge and yet you just know for a fact they know nothing about it? I don't want to sound dumb or anything, but I've noticed an influx of edge people at my school, most of them being girls and christians. I have nothing against Christians or girls, but I've noticed one of my friends who is edge is in like a Christian bible study type deal and I think he kind of spread the word, which is fine, but it seems like everyone is claiming edge and yet they don't even know who Youth of Today or Minor Threat is, for example I was looking at people for my school's myspaces and I found this girl whose display name was "ex straightedge ex" and yet I looked at her music section and she didn't even have a hardcore band on it. I know its probably wrong to judge people like that, but I was just kind of ranting and seeing if anyone else kind of got upset over that. It just seems like a fad to them...
08-31-2006, 09:50 PM
shaitan

i hate poseurs
09-01-2006, 08:11 AM
xvunderx

Oh it's not wrong to get pissed off! I think pretty much every one here feels the same way. It's honestly sickening to me.
09-02-2006, 09:18 PM
Ash1337

Before I claimed to be edge I actually read up on it & talked to friends who were sxe about it.

It annoys me when people claim they're anything, without knowing anything about it.
09-02-2006, 10:08 PM
UnsaidWords

Oh this galls me to no end, but my trouble is with people who claim but don't even live the lifestyle. I had this trouble with my most recent girlfriend (who recently broke up with me quite unexpectedly and needlessly). I always make it a point of stating my sXe stance at the beginning of a relationship. I make it quite clear that I will not be with a drug user. Well, she claimed that she was "a straight edge," and wasn't into that sort of thing, despite some past behavior.

Well, despite the fact that she said she never would again and that she admired and respected my views, shortly before she broke up with me, she smoked pot again with a friend of hers. I was pretty furious, as she not only did something I simply find personally objectionable, but it was an act of disrespect and dishonesty. I told her that being straight-edge means NEVER doing that stuff. There is no "once-in-a-while," otherwise what's the meaning in it? I don't care if one thinks that it's not a big deal--don't go calling yourself sXe then. Very simple.

And when I told her this, she almost argued with me about it. Sure, tell the guy who hasn't touched a drug his whole life what is and is not sXe. Tell the guy that basically listens almost exclusively to punk when you yourself do not what the nuance of the label is. Revolting.

Now, my previous girlfriend didn't call herself sXe, but she still didn't use drugs. She didn't even drink...although now she apparently does, which bothers me (although it probably shouldn't). So I do have some rather painful experiences with false sXers, or basically people who seem clean but secretly are not.

Now as for people who don't know of the fact that it's a punk subculture, yeah, they really shouldn't use the term if they don't know what it means...but I personally will cut them some slack as long as they live a drug-free lifestyle. It would be prudent to educate them as to the origins of the term, however.
09-02-2006, 10:54 PM
xCAMIx

I feel you there.. they think its just drug free,like D.A.R.E. or some shit. Thats a problem with the Christian straight edge crowd, too many people thinking its something about being drug free fashion thing, but theres some who actually know what they are doing, like myself.
09-03-2006, 01:46 AM
stepinsideissue

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Originally Posted by xCAMIx

I feel you there.. they think its just drug free,like D.A.R.E. or some shit. Thats a problem with the Christian straight edge crowd, too many people thinking its something about being drug free fashion thing, but theres some who actually know what they are doing, like myself.

No the problem with christian sXe people are that they are christians.
09-03-2006, 05:04 AM
straightXed

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Originally Posted by stepinsideissue

No the problem with christian sXe people are that they are christians.

How can they be when they contradict their own religion?
09-04-2006, 07:21 AM
stepinsideissue

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Originally Posted by straightXed

How can they be when they contradict their own religion?

That was the point I was trying to make.
09-04-2006, 07:40 AM
straightXed

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Originally Posted by stepinsideissue

That was the point I was trying to make.

See it sounded like you were suggesting the christianity was the fault when the straightedge belief is equally contradictive, there for being straightedge could also be the problem.
09-16-2006, 12:44 AM
XxHAWKxX

Oh I love the stupid people like that. We have one kid in our school, his name is alex, he is retarded cause he is "sXe" but he hangs out with all the stoners and smokes pot himself. Before I became edge, I hung out with the edgers in our school and alot of their philophosies (sorry i just murdered that word) were alot like mine. I was pretty "edge" ucated on the edge lifestyle.
I think the little poser kids should either reform of fuck off!
09-20-2006, 08:08 PM
XThe EdgeX

My friend who was edge introduced me to it and took me to shows....its because of him that i am who I am...and yes..i hate the girls and /or guys that have now clue what sXe is and dont listen to the music....Its like on the frontpage of this site....if you havent stood in the middle of the pit...with you figer i the air screaming along to the lyrics...you dont know what its like..its the greatest feeling....
_john_
09-20-2006, 08:14 PM
XThe EdgeX

oh and xCAMIx...there is nothing wrong whith DARE shirts.......or at least not as far as i can see...please enlighten me?
_john_
09-21-2006, 12:32 PM
kelly

this thread makes me get that bad song stuck in my head... the one by wilson phillips or something.
10-10-2006, 06:14 PM
NorskVegan

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Originally Posted by XThe EdgeX

oh and xCAMIx...there is nothing wrong whith DARE shirts.......or at least not as far as i can see...please enlighten me?
_john_

DARE causes kids to experiment with drugs. It's happened time and time again. I hate DARE. The government fucks everything up.
10-11-2006, 08:59 AM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by NorskVegan

DARE causes kids to experiment with drugs. It's happened time and time again. I hate DARE. The government fucks everything up.

How does DARE cause kids to experiment with drugs?
10-13-2006, 05:38 PM
NorskVegan

It may sound cliché, but it's essentially a matter of reverse psychology. I'm just talking about the 8th grade level DARE, though.
10-13-2006, 09:11 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by NorskVegan

It may sound cliché, but it's essentially a matter of reverse psychology. I'm just talking about the 8th grade level DARE, though.

that's not a very convincing argument. what specifically about the program makes you think it's causing people to experiment with drugs?
10-14-2006, 08:49 AM
straightXed

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Originally Posted by NorskVegan

It may sound cliché, but it's essentially a matter of reverse psychology. I'm just talking about the 8th grade level DARE, though.

By that logic you are encouraging people to eat meat.
10-15-2006, 09:53 PM
NorskVegan

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Originally Posted by xsecx

that's not a very convincing argument. what specifically about the program makes you think it's causing people to experiment with drugs?

You guys have to remember, I'm still in high school, so I remember what it's like to be in 8th grade. A lot of kids in 8th grade (when DARE taught in my town) are constantly rebelling against everything, and when some square-as-hell cop tells them they shouldn't do drugs, they're like, "Well, fuck you!" and that opens the door for them. I wouldn't be surprised if some kid was like, "Blake [my name] you're an asshole, and I hate you, so I'm gonna eat more meat." In that sense, yes, some people might be encouraged to eat meat by me. But I'm more likely to stay away from drugs because of people I respect informing me about them, not some bullshit government institution trying to scare me away from them, and I would hope people who see my positive qualities will take an interest in veganism.

You guys always make me defend my beliefs...I respect that...but it's tiring!
10-15-2006, 10:06 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by NorskVegan

You guys have to remember, I'm still in high school, so I remember what it's like to be in 8th grade. A lot of kids in 8th grade (when DARE taught in my town) are constantly rebelling against everything, and when some square-as-hell cop tells them they shouldn't do drugs, they're like, "Well, fuck you!" and that opens the door for them. I wouldn't be surprised if some kid was like, "Blake [my name] you're an asshole, and I hate you, so I'm gonna eat more meat." In that sense, yes, some people might be encouraged to eat meat by me. But I'm more likely to stay away from drugs because of people I respect informing me about them, not some bullshit government institution trying to scare me away from them, and I would hope people who see my positive qualities will take an interest in veganism.

You guys always make me defend my beliefs...I respect that...but it's tiring!

do you honestly believe that DARE had any effect one way or the other on whether or not those kids were going to do drugs? You make it sound like these kids were completely sheltered from the world and their first introduction to it was through DARE, which is complete bullshit.
10-16-2006, 12:15 PM
straightXed

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Originally Posted by NorskVegan

You guys have to remember, I'm still in high school, so I remember what it's like to be in 8th grade. A lot of kids in 8th grade (when DARE taught in my town) are constantly rebelling against everything, and when some square-as-hell cop tells them they shouldn't do drugs, they're like, "Well, fuck you!" and that opens the door for them. I wouldn't be surprised if some kid was like, "Blake [my name] you're an asshole, and I hate you, so I'm gonna eat more meat." In that sense, yes, some people might be encouraged to eat meat by me. But I'm more likely to stay away from drugs because of people I respect informing me about them, not some bullshit government institution trying to scare me away from them, and I would hope people who see my positive qualities will take an interest in veganism.

You guys always make me defend my beliefs...I respect that...but it's tiring!

Thats a really screwed up notion. I live in a town where a lot of addicts are sent to be put on rehabilitation programs, would you suggest those programs are perpetuating drug use? even encouraging it? At my school we had drug education programs and none of them are the cause of making people take drugs, people took drugs anyway and these were a way to educate on the dangers of that. The fact that kids are rebelling isn't down to dare giving them something to rebel against, kids already have that, and it consists of pretty much everything, its a case of kids doing these rebelious things which then makes there a legitimate need for anti drug programs. And sure its hard to make them work but it educates some and they will gain from it, others continue to fuck up and learn from more severe lessons, some never learn and are dead set against reforming until they are unable to reform. Putting education in place on all matters not just drugs is a positive thing, unfortunately its often not enough, but to suggest its the root cause of these problems is ridiculous. DARE is not what makes kids take this route, the point is to educate the individual not to use ones own health as a tool for rebelion, it is about learning respect for yourself and from that you can build respect for other people and even rules.
11-01-2006, 05:52 AM
xpatchxrojasx

hell yes

yeah i get pissed with those kinds of peeps..alot..theres this guy in my school who claims to be edge, but all he knows is writing X'es on his hands..its makes my blood boil. plus he shows off that he's in this band and all but his band doesn't even play hardcore..its pretty big bullshit..yeah.
11-01-2006, 07:27 AM
D1988

I don't like those poser kids at all

When being edge makes them look good they are all for it, as soon as people don't show any interest they drop it

Besides this, they couldn't tell you the first thing about hardcore or straight edge itself, idiots
11-07-2006, 10:52 AM
Nam

I try not to let it get to me. If people have misinformed views, I do what I can to fill them in on the truth as I know it. It's the same thing with emo. It's used so slanderously these days that it seems impossible to inform the public on its hardcore roots. For example, over the summer when I was driving some of my brother's buddies around, a Goldfinger song came up about a breakup. One of them said, "This song is so emo," to which I gave them a little lecture. So when I see a kid claiming edge who cups his ears at the sound of hardcore music, I just kindly explain to him or her that there's more to it than just being drug-free. Most of them are scared away by the realization of what a concert is like.

Speaking of which, what concerts are there in the DC area from mid-December to mid-January?
11-20-2006, 04:22 AM
Sand Stealer

I totally agree. There was a girl at my college who found out I was straight edge and started saying to me 'oh I really respect you for it, I'm going to be straight edge too!' The next thing I know she's completely drunk out of her head at the next party I see her at.
11-26-2006, 03:26 AM
RED

I hate it when people think you have to do something in order to be something.

I don't go to shows, because I don't like people.
I don't really listen to Hardcore... because I just don't.
and to be totally honest, I don't think I've listened to any Minor Threat song all the way through.

Now does that make the last 4 years of my life a lie? because I don't listen to the right thing or go to the right show?

True, there are people out there who claim it and have no idea what they're talking about. and those people need to learn something.

But just because somebody doesn't fit your archetype example of what a sXe person should be, doesn't mean they're any less sXe than you.
11-26-2006, 07:50 AM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by RED

I hate it when people think you have to do something in order to be something.

I don't go to shows, because I don't like people.
I don't really listen to Hardcore... because I just don't.
and to be totally honest, I don't think I've listened to any Minor Threat song all the way through.

Now does that make the last 4 years of my life a lie? because I don't listen to the right thing or go to the right show?

True, there are people out there who claim it and have no idea what they're talking about. and those people need to learn something.

But just because somebody doesn't fit your archetype example of what a sXe person should be, doesn't mean they're any less sXe than you.

so you hate it when people think definitions exist and that for something to be something it has to fit the characteristics? How are you not one of those people? How are you straight edge and not just drug free?
11-26-2006, 03:13 PM
RED

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Originally Posted by xsecx

so you hate it when people think definitions exist and that for something to be something it has to fit the characteristics? How are you not one of those people? How are you straight edge and not just drug free?

BEcause I know the history of sXe, I know what it means and what I represent. And I'm not doing it to look cool or be be different. I do it because its how I want to live my life. And the fact that I don't listen to much Hardcore, mostly because I'm just not into it, should affect my sXe credibility.

And if there its supposed to be a set line of how to look, what to listen to, ect, to be Straight Edge, a whole lot of people would be Drug Free instead of sXe.
11-26-2006, 03:51 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by RED

BEcause I know the history of sXe, I know what it means and what I represent. And I'm not doing it to look cool or be be different. I do it because its how I want to live my life. And the fact that I don't listen to much Hardcore, mostly because I'm just not into it, should affect my sXe credibility.

And if there its supposed to be a set line of how to look, what to listen to, ect, to be Straight Edge, a whole lot of people would be Drug Free instead of sXe.

How are you representing it if you're not taking part in what actually makes straight edge unique and different from being drug free? Knowing the history is great but how does it relate to something that's an active and real subculture that you're not participating in? What are you doing to be straight edge? What makes straight edge unique from every other drug free lifestyle/group?

And yes, that's the point, there are a whole lot of people who are Drug Free instead of straight edge. Straight edge isn't a catchall and isn't for everyone.
11-26-2006, 04:15 PM
RED

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How are you representing it if you're not taking part in what actually makes straight edge unique and different from being drug free?

Because I don't like people and I don't like going to concerts

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What are you doing to be straight edge?

I'm not smoking, drinking, do drugs or fuck everything that moves.

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What makes straight edge unique from every other drug free lifestyle/group?

jesus man, is this a high school career apptitude test?

What it seems like you're saying to me, is that because I don't fit your idea of what a Straight Edge person should be, then I'm not Straight Edge. fine, then call me drug free if you want, but that doesn't make me any different than anyone else on this forum who choose to lead a clean life.
11-26-2006, 04:22 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by RED

Because I don't like people and I don't like going to concerts
I'm not smoking, drinking, do drugs or fuck everything that moves.
jesus man, is this a high school career apptitude test?

not smoking, drinking, doing drugs aren't what makes someone straight edge though.

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What it seems like you're saying to me, is that because I don't fit your idea of what a Straight Edge person should be, then I'm not Straight Edge. fine, then call me drug free if you want, but that doesn't make me any different than anyone else on this forum who choose to lead a clean life.

It's not my idea of what a straight edge person is. It's what makes someone straight edge. It's what separates straight edge from every other group of people that don't smoke or drink or do drugs. It's what spread the message and what makes it unique. Now, if you're not a part of it and don't like the music, why would you want to call yourself straight edge?
11-26-2006, 05:06 PM
RED

I listen to Hardcore, just not a lot. I listen to Through the Eyes of the Dead and Between The Buried and Me and a bunch of others. Hell, I've been listening to Bleeding Through for the past hour.

I call myself straight edge because I am.
11-26-2006, 05:11 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by RED

I listen to Hardcore, just not a lot. I listen to Through the Eyes of the Dead and Between The Buried and Me and a bunch of others. Hell, I've been listening to Bleeding Through for the past hour.

I call myself straight edge because I am.

You either listen to hardcore you don't. Why are you fighting so hard to hold on to a label that doesn't describe you? If you don't listen to a lot of hardcore and don't really care for it, then that's fine, but why go back and forth to hold onto something you have no connection to and you're not a part of? Especially when you list bands that aren't even hardcore as example of hardcore bands you listen to. You can call yourself a chair too, but that doesn't make it so.
11-26-2006, 05:34 PM
RED

ok, I'm tired of going in a circle. if you want to count this as a victory for the betterment of Straight Edge, go ahead. Because I have my ideas, and you have your and they're obviously very different. But I'm done arguing.
11-26-2006, 05:45 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by RED

ok, I'm tired of going in a circle. if you want to count this as a victory for the betterment of Straight Edge, go ahead. Because I have my ideas, and you have your and they're obviously very different. But I'm done arguing.

it only goes in circles when you fail to accept reality. The big problem and the big difference is that your ideas aren't actually based on anything.
11-26-2006, 11:27 PM
stepinsideissue

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Originally Posted by RED

ok, I'm tired of going in a circle. if you want to count this as a victory for the betterment of Straight Edge, go ahead. Because I have my ideas, and you have your and they're obviously very different. But I'm done arguing.

Yeah except that Dustys ideas are not only his ideas. Alot of us here would tell you the exact same thing as he is.
12-05-2006, 06:15 PM
XBILLYX

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Originally Posted by xsecx

You either listen to hardcore you don't. Why are you fighting so hard to hold on to a label that doesn't describe you? If you don't listen to a lot of hardcore and don't really care for it, then that's fine, but why go back and forth to hold onto something you have no connection to and you're not a part of? Especially when you list bands that aren't even hardcore as example of hardcore bands you listen to. You can call yourself a chair too, but that doesn't make it so.

may i ask what kind of band those are dusty?
12-05-2006, 08:14 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by XBILLYX

may i ask what kind of band those are dusty?

not hardcore.
12-06-2006, 12:51 PM
XBILLYX

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Originally Posted by xsecx

not hardcore.

good asnwer clears up all my confusion thanks dusty.

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