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I was just wondering if anyone knew about CM Punk, the wrestler who is sxe? He has been wrestling on the independent circuits for a while and just debuted with ECW on Sci-Fi Network. (Tuesdays at 10 PM) A wrestler being edge sounds crazy with all the drugs and steroids, but Punk apparently is legit.
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using straight edge as a gimmick is a horrible idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael
He never refers to it as a gimmick, but as his lifestyle. I always thought he was legit, he's into hardcore and everything. Of course being in this kind of spotlight, he will always be criticized by people who are edge and even people who aren't. His gimmick isn't really based on being edge, its just what he is and occasionaly cuts promos on being edge.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CM_Punk
which is fine, but it still comes down to a gimmick and a way to market himself, especially with lines like "i'm straight edge so that means I'm better than you", and that shit is wack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael
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Originally Posted by Michael
I've known about him for a while now, a friend of mine is huge into wresting and we were talking about this guy months ago. Its cool that he can get into the wrestling world without the drugs, but I agree with Dusty, its not cool that he is using it as a gimmick.
He's sorta old news. It's cool though. And alot of wrestlers skip the drugs. So don't think he's something so special just because he claims edge. And hardcore, I think not his only 2 entrance themes have been A.F.I.'s "This Time Imperfect" and Jay-Z's "99 Problems" (Definately not an edge song or even hardcore for that matter). I really have wanted to see him "wrestle though because I've heard he's got some crazy moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael
By the way, pro wrestling is NOT[ a sport. It's body art and entertainment.
CM Punk is one of my inspirations actully.
Being a pro wrestler myself at a young age he is what helps me stay sXe. Only because he has done my dream and shares my beleifes so it lets me know I can do it.
About his music, well can ya really blame him. He works in a business where you get over by the crowd and have to appeal to them even if your a bad guy. I use "Down With The Sickness" by Disturbed because it works for my wrestling character. As does he with A.F.I because his gimmick isnt only sXe in the indies but he is also sapose to be kinda a "lost soul" if you will.
If you seen his feud with wrestler, Raven, over Raven's past drug addiction it was one of the best feuds ever. Although there was a point in the feud where CM Punk was tied to the ropes and had beer poured over him and on his mouth. His promo about sXe and his abusive father is seen as his best stuff.
His finishing move was the Pepsi Plunge (Top rope pedigree)
My gimmick has nothing to do with straight edge although I may mention it. I am also going to sport the X on the hands. CM Punk's straight edge gimmick is sapose to piss of some straight edgers too though thats why he plays a straight edger who forces his beleifes on all.
See to me that just makes a mockery of Straight edge, and i think is disrespectful. he might be edge, but I don't think he's doing anything positive for the scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by crissXdravan
In fact I find it all very insulting to all straight edgers.
He's giving wrestling fans a direct passage to our world...what's so blasphemous about that? A.F.I. is one of the things that taught me about straight edge, just because they aren't doing anything necissarily great for hardcore or straight edge, does that make them insulting?Quote:
Originally Posted by xvunderx
Whats your gimmick?Quote:
Originally Posted by crissXdravan
Got a link to your vids or organization?
Oh and in later news, a friend of mine met an ECW writer who knows Nikolai Volkoff (lives here in Maryland), and he might be able to get hooked up with some training.
the fact that it's a gimmick. the wording. the imagery. How is he giving wrestling fans anything other than entertainment and an incorrect perception as to what straight edge is about?Quote:
Originally Posted by xCAMIx
and I'm glad you can go through and find old posts but can't actually address the recent ones that people have made to you. way to not back down!
No one said anything about backing down but you... stop being such an asshole because my beliefs aren't yours.
but you do back down, repeatedly. I mean, you talked big in the post where your mom almost fought some kids for you. You're steadfast in your beliefs, you don't have to listen, think, research anything. No one can teach you anything, you're a fucking idiot savant. Where are you at in the porn thread? The abortion thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by xCAMIx
The thing that's funny is that you think I'm an asshole because your beliefs aren't mine, and that's not it at all. I'm an asshole to you because you spout shit about how you don't back down and how your beliefs are oh so strong, but you can't even see a simple discussion through to completion. You shoot off your mouth without thinking things through and have a damn near impossible time coming to terms with reality.
My mom didn't really do anything but push one, not for me, but because he called her a bitch. They thought I'd run away for some reason, but they backed down. I listen you fuckhead, I just know how to keep my opinions. You Abortion thread ended, and I still hold my opinion, just less melted down. So, you can blow that "you can't listen" shit to hell. You hardly ever listen when you really think about it.. you barely acknowledge what I say to you, and at least I've changed a little bit. Damn, you think because you own the site that you can just be a fucking asshole and make people submit. Well not me. And I get pretty damn fustrated with alot of people hatin on me, so I don't bother finishing discussions sometime, why? Because I don't have to and it keeps me from giving a fuck. I'm in reality, bucko.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
you got your mom involved. this is exactly what I'm talking about you not understanding or accepting reality. You did run away and hid behind your mom.Quote:
Originally Posted by xCAMIx
If you listened, you'd actually learn something, you don't and you demonstrate this by saying shit like "I just know how to keep my opinions." You've repeatedly demonstrated time and time again that you can't admit when you're wrong. This has been pointed out by several people. The thread didn't end, you tucked your tail between your legs and stopped responding when it was illustrated that you were wrong. I don't acknowledge what you say, because if you actually go back and read, everything you've argued about with me has been incorrect and not backed up, so why would I acknowledge it? Why do you think people are "hatin" on you? Because of your fucked up inferiority complex and inability to accept and deal with reality, so you build up this fantasy world where straight edge isn't against drinking and jesus wasn't perfect because that's what it takes for your fucked up little opinions to be right. You don't bother finishing anything because you're a fucked up little retard who would rather live a lie than face the truth, real edge dude!Quote:
I listen you fuckhead, I just know how to keep my opinions. You Abortion thread ended, and I still hold my opinion, just less melted down. So, you can blow that "you can't listen" shit to hell. You hardly ever listen when you really think about it.. you barely acknowledge what I say to you, and at least I've changed a little bit. Damn, you think because you own the site that you can just be a fucking asshole and make people submit. Well not me. And I get pretty damn fustrated with alot of people hatin on me, so I don't bother finishing discussions sometime, why? Because I don't have to and it keeps me from giving a fuck. I'm in reality, bucko.
Owned.
When did Fat Bastard from Austin Powers become a part of the wanna be bloods gang?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_O_is_Stupid
My mom got herself involved. And you weren't around to see anything, so I think you might as well trap it about that situation , because nothing positive seems to come out of your mouth too often lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
I'm living no lies. I took time to look into things. And I was wrong here and there, but who's not. Sec's never been wrong? Yeah right. I don't care who you are, what site you own, how long youv'e been in hardcore, bro..not everyone's gonna see things exactly the way you do just becuse youv'e been around longer, etc.
gee, the big tough don't back down guy sure is getting defensive of his mom fighting his battle's huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by xCAMIx
Where have you said you're wrong? Where have you admitted that you're wrong and what you've been wrong about? Sweet jesus you can't even come to terms and admit it. I like how you still haven't accepted reality and turn this into another lame attempt to talk about how you don't care about me, but right after saying you're wrong about things? what's up napoleon? do you walk around with your hand in your shirt too? Is anything you live true? Or do you have this whole fantasy world built up in your head where you're smart, well read, think before you speak and don't have an inferiority complex that makes it so you have to present this bullshit image?Quote:
I'm living no lies. I took time to look into things. And I was wrong here and there, but who's not. Sec's never been wrong? Yeah right. I don't care who you are, what site you own, how long youv'e been in hardcore, bro..not everyone's gonna see things exactly the way you do just becuse youv'e been around longer, etc.
i am a pro wrestler and i think his gimmick is great its something that hasnt been done in wrestling yet.
How do you feel about its effect on straightedge as a whole? Do you feel that him using it as a gimmick in this way will actively aid in making straightedge less unique? do you think he gives the immpression that hardcore is not an integral part of what makes up straightedge? Do you really think it should be used as a gimmick?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andies Addiction sXe
Whats your prowrestling gimmick?
What does pro-wrestling have to do with sXe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andies Addiction sXe
I believe that what he is doing cheapens the scene, I also feel he is exploiting the people who have made this scene great to further his own career.
This is how the mainstream has killed off pretty much all subcultures, it saddens me to see him selling every one involved in Edge down the stream for a couple of bucks and his 15 minutes of fame.
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Originally Posted by xvunderx
It's not that pro wrestling has anything to do with sxe, its more that the majority of professional wrestlers use steriods or other performance enhancing drugs, so CM punk is getting out the fact that he wrestle's with all these guys without doing any of those drugs. I don't necessarily agree with him using it as a gimmick, but I think its cool that there is a wrestler out there who isnt jacked up on some sort of drug all the time.
Maybe we are reading too much into this. Maybe he is not using it as a gimmick to give him money, maybe he is just making it clear that he is straight edge because he is proud of it. I don't think claiming edge as a gimmick would gain him any money or fame because realistically, most of the demographic he is reaching out to, would not even know what straight edge is until after they see him. They wouldn't say "hey hes straight edge, lets buy his shit". Maybe he makes it clear hes edge because he is proud of it and wants people to know.
Then why not just be a drug free wrestler?Quote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
Yeah but it's a character, he might be sXe, but the story lines etc around it and the "I'm sXe so I'm better than you" stuff has nothing to do with a personal choice and everything to do with setting himself apart from other wrestlers, and thus making himself more successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
Being sXe gives him story line opportunities and match up, this gives him more fame and money, as well as memorability. It's marketing.
But he is using it as a gimmick, his own site even says "Punk is famous for his "Straight Edge" gimmick" its not really relative to wrestling and is used to highlight himself as quite different. He uses it to have an identity or character people can buy into, wrestlers that are straightforward wrestlers with no gimmick don't get remembered and thus don't stick around and make money. Wrestling is full of gimmicks and regardless if he is proud of it he is still using it to be a gimmick and it doesn't show pride of where it all comes from. His site gives a quick mention tominor threat but it pails in comparison to the amount of kids that are going to end up picking up the term and misusing it. He says what you see in the world of him wrestling is exactly how he is but its a bullshit statement, for one wrestleng is all dramatised and two, if he is like that and thats how he supports straight edge - well thats dumb - wanna show how much straightedge means then go to shows, support bands etc. don't just use it as a marketable tool. And unfortunately the demographic he is aimed at is also subject to aim from other sources, for instance hot topic, that give a diluted immpression of straightedge. I mean hot topic love to jump on shit like this and if you look at the number of kids that seem to be enjoying CM punk and end up coming to this site with that as their only knowledge of sxe then you will see that the demogaphic is immpressionable enough to want to buy into the idea. Now imagine hot topic want to bring CM punk merchandise into their stores to further market their approach to straightedge marketing which tends to not support or really encompass the community of hardcore. Its manipulation of a youth market and it all leads to kids taking straightedge out of hardcore and watering down the term straightedge. Kids identify with cm punk, thats fine but cm punk is giving them the idea that hardcore isn't a vital element of straightedge and what it consists of is simply not drinking, smoking or doing drugs - generally giving a disregard to hardcore. And we end up seeing what happens a lot on the internet, kids using a term to describe themselves before they fully understand it. Often they will find that there is more to what they have been calling themselves but a lot of the time they don't really get into the hardcore side of things and what is really unfortunate is that by this time they don't want to let go of their shiny new self describing label, even if it doesn't reflect them correctly. So then we end up with straightedge becoming open to all sorts of interpretation along with a commercial force deciding how they can best utilise this marketable tool to best cash in. This is pretty much how loads of other subcultures ate themselves and became less dynamic and at worst meaningless or little more than a cyclic fashion fad to reinvent. Kids will be using a hardcore term and not support hardcore at all, it happens too often as it is. All this from a wrestler using it as a gimmick, not all down to him but he is part of the problem, hardcore and straightedge isn't about huge corperations, people have worked hard and struggled to create a underground community away from all that, its a major driving point of the whole movement and it shouldn't be forgotten that that is what its about. Its not for sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
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Originally Posted by xCAMIx
For some one who says keep it posi all the time way to be a hypocrite.
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Originally Posted by straightXed
Word
Posi was a while ago. Posi isn't too realistic. You can't stay happy forever. But I'm molding myself everday, so I guess that's sorta posi...Quote:
Originally Posted by stepinsideissue
that is exactly what he is trying to do, yes i know he is kinda using it just to become more over with fans, but every wrestling gimmick is taken from some other idea. thats what we do in wrestling. we take what is cool and we bring it to a mainstream audience. yes this can be bad but its also nice because it can bring more followers.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
But what if that something doesn't want the mainstream? And what if it only brings in uneducated followers? The image he puts out of sXe isn't a complete one, and will probably do more harm than good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andies Addiction sXe
Hi, i was wondering why my post wasn't addressed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andies Addiction sXe
(Man I'm Late)
Yeah, Punk is definately pushing his gimmick too far. Any CM Punk Merchandise, is being sold as if you buy it you'll be Hardcore Straight Edge.
I think some of the people are maybe taking CM Punk too seriously as a fan of his I'm gonna back him he is not a typical member of the sXe community but he does embrace the lifestyle like no other professional athlete well other than fellow wrestlers Josh Prohibition and M-Dogg 20 who are also sXe. Punk has been a favorite of mine since I seen him back in IWA Mid-South years ago and in like his first interview one of the first things he said was "I'm drug-free, alcohol-free, tobacco-free better than you" and he only says the better than you part when he is portraying a heel (bad guy) which helps get the character over, he doesn't believe that he is REALLY better than those people. And about the merchandise, if i wear a G-Unit tee does that make me a member of G-Unit so when people wear the CM Punk tees they are doing in support of HIM not the sXe lifestyle.
you guys seriously consider wrestling a sport?
yeah, g unit is a brand, for all intents and purposes. cm punk is using straight edge as a marketing tool, and that's as fucked up and retarded as he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by jams_12
Fake or not, those guys are pretty incredible athletesQuote:
Originally Posted by rodrigo
i think everything they do while working out can be a sport, but on stage they just move weirdly and pretend to be beaten upQuote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004