Ok, so already I've been hearing some controversy...So what do you guys think? Can you be sXe and Christian?
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Ok, so already I've been hearing some controversy...So what do you guys think? Can you be sXe and Christian?
you can't. but i've already showed you a link on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by collin
yeah but all i got from that link was that there's a lot of dispute about it. why should sXe people exclude God? If that's their belief, then why should they change it? sXe should be open to more people, rather than just excluding some for their beliefs
sxe is what it is, whether you would like it to be more open for other people or not. you contradict yourself, it's clear as day. i mean, in that case, we should expand it to not include hardcore, so more people could be edge, who hate hardcore, and listen to techno.it's the same with christianityQuote:
Originally Posted by collin
i still don't see how i'm contradicting myself by being both. could you please just explain what you mean?
so you didn't read it too closely did you?Quote:
Originally Posted by collin
1. you say you are sxe. therefore you think drinking is wrong.
2. you are christian, and think that god is flawless, however jesus drank wine.
3. jesus drank wine-> he can't be flawless like you say. that's the contradiction
1. Jesus drank wine because it was the only drink available, as the water was scarce and polluted.
2. Jesus didn't drink to get drunk.
3. Everyone drank wine-there was no other option.
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Originally Posted by collin
well if he was the son of god capable to transform water into wine, he easily could have cleaned or purified the water
but wine was necessary for the marriage, according to Jewish law. the wedding wouldn't be considered legal without wine to bring the two parties together. the hebrews were very ritualistic and specific when it came to marriage, and other social aspects. Ephesians 5:18- Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.
if i don't drink beer to get drunk, is that okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by collin
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Originally Posted by collin
what? jesus got married?!?!?!
so, if you don't get drunk on wine, it's okay to drink it?Quote:
Originally Posted by collin
no it's not ok. however, if you live in a place where every source of drink is hazardous except wine, then it's ok, because wine is the only drink that you can have without getting sick. as to whether Jesus was married, i have no idea. there are no Scriptural references to Jesus having a wife, but if he had one, it really wouldn't conflict with any aspects of Christianity.
there was thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by collin
there was what?
there was drinkable waterQuote:
Originally Posted by collin
actually there wasn't. the wedding where Jesus turned water into wine was at Cana, which was a small town on the Sea Of Galilee. The only water available was salt water, and they didn't have any way to remove the salt back then.
what about Peter's well?Quote:
Originally Posted by collin
The water was corrupt. peter's well was beside an area of limestone and sulfur. the well water was unsafe for human consumption. i visited the area when i was visiting the Middle East with my ex-girlfriend.
c'mon you know theres gotta be some drinkable waterQuote:
Originally Posted by collin
people usually dont live in places withouth water, thats why civilisations starts near water
civilization starts near water, but spreads when other sources of nourishment are found. the only water was corrupt.
so if the water was corrupt, how do you call that a source of nourishment?Quote:
Originally Posted by collin
it was drinkable, and whatever you try to come up with you can't prove that you are not contradicting yourself being edge and christianQuote:
Originally Posted by collin
I am edge, but I still hold my full faith in God and in Jesus. And maybe the only reason why the two conflict in your mind is because you're too narrow-minded to admit that there might be a God, and that he rules over everything.
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Originally Posted by collin
You aren't edge, theres no god.
i think that it's lame to try and say that i can't be edge and christian, and i know plenty of people who are both.
No you know lots of people who claim to be both but are unable to come to terms with the fact they condradict each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by collin
shit! you don't get it do you??? re-read pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by collin
The kid's right. I'm gonna say I agree with him and leave it there. I've heard these facts. And Jesus actually only distributed the wine.
Just thought I'd mention.. Jesus had a love interest.. It was mentioned in texts related to the Bible but not part of it.. like The Gospel Of Thomas.
except that the people were already drunk when jesus turned it into wine.Quote:
Originally Posted by collin
john the baptist didn't and jesus makes a point of this in the scripture. this statement is categorically and completely wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by collin
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Originally Posted by xCAMIx
which even if he did, jesus would have found no fault in the consumption of alcohol, something you do, so you're still back to the basic problem of saying that jesus was wrong about something.
trying to bring the gnostic gospels into something with kids who can't even read and understand that agreed upon bible is futile.Quote:
Originally Posted by pittstonjoma
This has to be the stupidest argument ever. Of course you can be straight edge and still be christian. the point of being straight edge is not to pollute your body, not to put yourself on a pedestal thinking you are better than everybody else for not drinking and putting in imaginary guidelines. Grow up.
Don't drink, Don't smoke, Don't fuck. Nowhere does it say "Don't follow religion" or hate everybody who drinks. Quiting acting so "holy" pardon the pun. Get off your pedestal. Just because somebody has different opinions than you doesnt mean they arent edge.
ok. so how can you be both when you just said that jesus polluted his body, but jesus is god, and perfect, so how is that possible? For once could one you actually address the arguement that's being brought up and actually making a point for a change rather than making some sort of bullshit statement that doesn't say anything other than "huh, of course you can be both, but I won't explain to you the how's or why's or even address the really glaring issues surrounding it"Quote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
could you please get off your pedestal and actually read what people have written regarding WHY you can't be christian and edge?Quote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
so logically you are saying that I cant be friends with somebody who is not edge because then im supporting drinking?
So here is where I stand. I am not christian, I do not know anything about the bible or Jesus. My problem are the guidelines that are invented to make Straight Edge an exclusive thing. if it makes you feel good telling people that their beleifs are stupid and that they cant be a part of your club, then hey, whatever floats your boat. If it helps you sleep at night feeling superior to others, then go right ahead.