Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

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Originally Posted by xsecx

based on traditions, based on what's written Jesus drank alcoholic wine. .

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You'll have to provide a reference, I'm not aware of anything written that the wine Jesus drank was alcohol wine.

My opinion is no bibical scholar is going to waste his/her time on this kind of research.

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Originally Posted by Old_Man_sxe

You'll have to provide a reference, I'm not aware of anything written that the wine Jesus drank was alcohol wine.

My opinion is no bibical scholar is going to waste his/her time on this kind of research.

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http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=988

you do realize that there are entire BOOKS written on the topic right?

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Originally Posted by xsecx

http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=988

you do realize that there are entire BOOKS written on the topic right?

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Nope I didn't realize there was............anyways:


Yes Jesus did turn water into wine, but did he drink that wine? It does not say in John. More importantly…..what the waiter is talking about is what happens traditionally at these feasts (drank--> not drank freely as per KJV). Where does it say that he was going to serve the bad wine at that moment? There is no base here for factual. Its a weak argument they make. I don’t find any support here that Jesus drank alcoholic wine. Plus they are using a revised bible that I don’t agree with or find very accurate.

i really don't see why everyone gets all bent out of shape over people who are edge also being christians. you won't change our beliefs...

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Originally Posted by Old_Man_sxe

Nope I didn't realize there was............anyways:


Yes Jesus did turn water into wine, but did he drink that wine? It does not say in John. More importantly…..what the waiter is talking about is what happens traditionally at these feasts (drank--> not drank freely as per KJV). Where does it say that he was going to serve the bad wine at that moment? There is no base here for factual. Its a weak argument they make. I don’t find any support here that Jesus drank alcoholic wine. Plus they are using a revised bible that I don’t agree with or find very accurate.

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Even if you want to use that as an argument, jesus is still condoning the drinking of the wine, and you're still contradicting god and telling him that he is wrong, so the issue still remains.

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Originally Posted by collin

i really don't see why everyone gets all bent out of shape over people who are edge also being christians. you won't change our beliefs...

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because people are either being shitty edge kids, or shitty christians.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

Even if you want to use that as an argument, jesus is still condoning the drinking of the wine, and you're still contradicting god and telling him that he is wrong, so the issue still remains.

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I thought the debate was that Jesus drank alcohol via wine.

I don't see the condoning of alcohol via wine. There is no proof that the water turned to wine was alcoholic. A waiter talking about traditions at past feasts does not prove anything to support that argument.

I don't belive in the Trinity. Jesus was the son of God.

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Originally Posted by Old_Man_sxe

I thought the debate was that Jesus drank alcohol via wine.

I don't see the condoning of alcohol via wine. There is no proof that the water turned to wine was alcoholic. A waiter talking about traditions at past feasts does not prove anything to support that argument.

I don't belive in the Trinity. Jesus was the son of God.

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the debate is blasphemy of the lord. the scripture is pretty clear that the wine in question was alcoholic. I don't see you providing anything supporting your claims at all at this point. And if youdon't believe in the trinity then this conversation is especially moot since you're already a blasphemer and destined for hell.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

the debate is blasphemy of the lord. the scripture is pretty clear that the wine in question was alcoholic. I don't see you providing anything supporting your claims at all at this point. And if youdon't believe in the trinity then this conversation is especially moot since you're already a blasphemer and destined for hell.

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The scripture is clear that wine in question was just wine, nothing more. Where do keep coming up with that the wine was alcoholic? Please elaborate. Just because a bunch of pastors put it on the web, doesn't mean jack.

So everyone that doesn't believe in catholicism’s holy trinity is going to hell? That's just plain sad. Very sad.

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Originally Posted by Old_Man_sxe

The scripture is clear that wine in question was just wine, nothing more. Where do keep coming up with that the wine was alcoholic? Please elaborate. Just because a bunch of pastors put it on the web, doesn't mean jack.

So everyone that doesn't believe in catholicism’s holy trinity is going to hell? That's just plain sad. Very sad.

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it makes references to people being drunk. So where do you get that it or any wine that's mentioned in the bible isn't alcoholic? You haven't actually provided anything other than your unsupported opinion up til now, which doesn't mean jack.

the holy trinity isn't a catholic thing. You kind of have to believe in it to believe the rest of it. The concept of the father, son and holy ghost is the foundation of christianity, so yeah if you don't believe it it, and if they're right, you're going to hell.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

it makes references to people being drunk.

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Check the King James Version and tell me that again.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

So where do you get that it or any wine that's mentioned in the bible isn't alcoholic? You haven't actually provided anything other than your unsupported opinion up til now, which doesn't mean jack.

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Dido

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Originally Posted by xsecx

the holy trinity isn't a catholic thing. You kind of have to believe in it to believe the rest of it. The concept of the father, son and holy ghost is the foundation of christianity, so yeah if you don't believe it it, and if they're right, you're going to hell.

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The trinity is the catholicism belief that Jesus Christ was actually God himself, not the son of God. I believe in God, Jesus Christ his son & The Holy Ghost, all as separate entities.

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Originally Posted by Old_Man_sxe

Check the King James Version and tell me that again.

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well drunk is in that version too. the implication that the wedding guests were drunk before the wine was supplied there too.

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Dido

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yeah. still haven't actually provided anything.

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The trinity is the catholicism belief that Jesus Christ was actually God himself, not the son of God. I believe in God, Jesus Christ his son & The Holy Ghost, all as separate entities.

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what you're trying to say you believe isn't a christian belief. the trinity isn't a catholicism thing. it's an all organzied christian thing.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

well drunk is in that version too. the implication that the wedding guests were drunk before the wine was supplied there too.

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This is based on YOUR interpretation. I not going to beat up on this dead horse anymore.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

yeah. still haven't actually provided anything.

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When you actually prove something, then maybe I'll make the effort

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Originally Posted by xsecx

what you're trying to say you believe isn't a christian belief. the trinity isn't a catholicism thing. it's an all organzied christian thing.

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Yes it is rooted deep in Catholicism. It's Origins are actually that of Babylonian Sects, but that’s an entire different subject matter.

Some Christians believe in separate entities, even some Catholics who disagree w/ church doctrine. I am one of them, before I turned my back on the church.

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Originally Posted by Old_Man_sxe

This is based on YOUR interpretation. I not going to beat up on this dead horse anymore.

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bible scholars AND mine. you haven't brought up a single supporting piece of evidence other than "maybe the wine isn't wine". no history, no books, no nothing. just you and YOUR opinion.

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When you actually prove something, then maybe I'll make the effort

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yeah, since you've clearly put so much effort up to this point.

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Yes it is rooted deep in Catholicism. It's Origins are actually that of Babylonian Sects, but that’s an entire different subject matter.

Some Christians believe in separate entities, even some Catholics who disagree w/ church doctrine. I am one of them, before I turned my back on the church.

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considering that all christianity was deeply rooted in catholicism, I don't really get your point here, espeically since it was the first church. the best part of all of this is that it's moot, because regardless, jesus would still be divine, without sin and without the capablity of sin.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

it makes references to people being drunk. So where do you get that it or any wine that's mentioned in the bible isn't alcoholic? You haven't actually provided anything other than your unsupported opinion up til now, which doesn't mean jack.

the holy trinity isn't a catholic thing. You kind of have to believe in it to believe the rest of it. The concept of the father, son and holy ghost is the foundation of christianity, so yeah if you don't believe it it, and if they're right, you're going to hell.

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The idea that different beliefs are blasphemy and that those with different beleifs are going to hell is completely untrue. I do not know about any religion specifically, but i know that the divisions of christianity that are around today are based upon different interpretations of religion. Martin Luther came up with the idea of protestantism because he disagreed with the catholic church, protestantism is different, however is still a sect of christianity. anglicanism was created in England because of disagreements with catholic beleifs, but still a form of christianity. I can go on. Different beleifs do not make anybody less christian.