Afaik they are classed as Post-Hardcore. But I see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightXed
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Afaik they are classed as Post-Hardcore. But I see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightXed
Afaik?Quote:
Originally Posted by xKennehx
Post-hardcore translates as really not hardcore.
afaik = as far as I knowQuote:
Originally Posted by straightXed
and gotcha ;)
no they haven't, they never were. and daryl isn't even straight now.Quote:
Originally Posted by xKennehx
I was under the impression that drinking would aggrovate his Chron's disease. I'm not a doctor.
xlooking forwardx
xdeathstarx
embrace today
xfight everyonex
go read some interviews he's made lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by xKennehx
are ok bro? why are you taking that so litheral? i dont care for emo ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightXed
so your agreeing with them? iam confused you dont agree with me and about edge and christiansQuote:
Originally Posted by straightXed
I don't care for homophobia and using terminology that deems homosexuality to be a negative thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by XBILLYX
I told you to look at what you wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by XBILLYX
thats cool iam! but they point was attacking their sex life it was the fact their no long that good or harcore post hardcoe at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightXed
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I told you to look at what you wrote.
it says can be edge and christian so your saying it is a true statemnet.Quote:
Originally Posted by XBILLYX
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Originally Posted by flame_still_burns
eating meat has nothing to do with being edge thats a vegatarian!
did you miss the just kidding part ?Quote:
Originally Posted by yourdoomawaitsu
wasnt this supposed to be about bands...?
yes it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by CULT xXx STATUS
i got the minor threat discography the other day man now that whats its albout
What makes a band edge?
A band that contain edge members, and tend to write songs about straight edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex
it essentially boils down to the same thing of what makes a person edge. If a band refers to themselves as an edge band, then they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by xaaronx
Too Pure To Die
Make Your Stand
XboundinbloodX
XtripwireX
XlifeXruinerX
SharkXpunch
are all good bands
is Black My Heart a sXe band? its more of a bro band
it essentially boils down to the same thing of what makes a person edge. If a band refers to themselves as an edge band, then they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by xaaronx
thanks guys
If being edge is a personal commitment why would a group of artists advocate "sXe" unless they have an extreme amount of edge following fans? If a band was truly about the music and not reputation then they would not claim edge. It's almost a religious-like mentality. Edge has seemed to become diluted like oil in water. I expected more from a domain name like "www.sxe.com."Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
Who cares if a band is "edge" or not?
As long as you can personally extract something from the band musically and lyrically, what is there left that the labels and titles can offer you?
diluted compared to what, exactly? and what did you expect?Quote:
Originally Posted by BornAgainVirginDrugs
To say anti-flag is not considered a straight edge band is wrong. People who want to make change, for the world and themselves and bring nothing but positive ideas to the table. Get people charged on ideas about improving their lifes. Wanting to be the best people they can be. Not supporting companies that destroy people, cigratte companies for example. And this isn't a good thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
How is it wrong, when they aren't a straight edge band? Everything you've listed is great, but has nothing to do with straight edge?Quote:
Originally Posted by XbriX
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Originally Posted by xsecx
anti-flag does refer to themselves as straight edge. If you've read or watched interviews they discuss the subject often. To be the best you can be is a straightedge idea, which is a main idea within their song writing. They are more of a politicaly based band, but they have straightedge ideas within their song wrtiting, in each of their ablums.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
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Originally Posted by XbriX
everything that I've seen in interviews says that they are drug free and don't use the term straight edge. They don't play hardcore shows, they don't play with straight edge bands, They aren't a hardcore band, so I'm at a loss why you'd think they'd be straight edge, when they're not actually contributing to the straight edge community in any way shape or form.
Actually they have played with straight edge bands such as cancer bats and rise against. They have played shows with hardcore bands, they may not be a hardcore band themselves but i can't see why, if they themselves have said they are a straight edge band, for example on the death of a nation dvd interview Justin Sane says, "Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
We are a straight edge band in that we don't smoke or do drugs, we will not be against anyone who does...", are not a straight edge bands when in their song writing they speak of straight edge ideas. They are not a hardcore band, they are a punk band who is straight edge. If you have listened to their music in depth you would see that they support the lifestyle. To me i see them as nothing but straight edge. I can see how you would disagree if you don't know their music well, on the outside they might seem everything but straight egde but when indeed they are
Pat Thetic - Anti-Flag Pop Culture Interview
"MG: A lot of "left wing" people kind of whine, you guys make things happen for yourselves. You're all pretty straight edge...
Pat (Drummer): Yes! We find that that's a better way for us to live and get through our lives.
MG: Although not users, based on what I'm reading, you're against criminalization of drugs?
P: We're against drug laws that criminalize addiction for sure. I think that addiction is a medical condition, the real problem with drug use are in the laws and the criminalization of the use. "
source: http://www.popculturemadness.com/int.../AntiFlag.html
I think you and most of the people here have very very different ideas about what straight edge is, because no one here would consider rise against, a straight edge band either. They aren't in any way contributing to the modern straight edge culture. This is what seems to be the crux of the issue, straight edge is about a lot more than just what someone doesn't do. There's a whole lifestyle and subculture that exists that bands like Rise Against and Anti-Flag have absolutely nothing to do with. Again, the lifestyle is more than just not doing drugs or smoking.Quote:
Originally Posted by XbriX
and this just illustrates the point, they're misusing the term straight edge, to mean simply being against drug use, when it's more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by XbriX
Rise Against, again, i disagree is a straight edge band. Tim McIlrath speaks of it often in interviews, absoultly none you have seen or read. It is really difficult for me to grasp why they are not a straight edge band, you said yourself if a band says they are, like a person, they are. If a band speaks of straight edge ideas, says they are straight edge. I have been to straight edge hardcore shows and know about the subculture. I think that people lose sight of bands who play bigger shows, sometimes stadiums because its not so closely involved as some bands are. It may easier to say bands are more involved in the scene when they are right there all the time. If a person or a band believes in straight edge, has it in their song writing, gives people hope, are positive what is wrong with that. how are they not straight edge. Explain how they are not contruibuting to the culture. how are they not? if they speak of their beliefs, maybe let younger generations learn about straight edge, thats not being involved? Or they have to be a hardcore band that only plays shows with other hardcore straight edge bands, with x's on their hands, i've been to those shows and people forget we are human beings that believe in something good. Who is anyone to judge anyone making a great life desicion. Why, if they say their are straight edge,it so wrong? Explain to meQuote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
http://www.pastepunk.com/features.php?v=118Quote:
Originally Posted by XbriX
some of the members are edge, they aren't an edge band. some of the members of afi are edge, they aren't an edge band. One of the dudes in fall out boy is edge, so would you say they are contributing to the edge culture as well?
The bands you've listed have no connection to the straight edge scene at all, so why would you say that they do? How can a band, that isn't hardcore. doesn't play hardcore shows, and isn't involved with the hardcore scene at all show younger kids about something they themselves are as a band, not a part of? Do you have any idea how much shit was caused by Davey Havok having a kid X'ing up in an afi video, because a bunch of kids thought it had something to do with AFI?
Someone should get a list of every band thats been said so far.
Here are some more straight edge bands:
xRepresentx
xDisciplex AD
xRetaliatory Strikex
CDC
Search Bloc
Taste the Steel
Blood Of The Martyr
Stand Firm
xTyrantx
xKill Everyonex
Fear Tradition
xTo This Dayx
Rhinoceros
Domestic War
Unit 731
The Teen Idles
Hoods
Chain of Strength
XfilesX
Project X
Casey Jones
Just Say Go
Crippled Youth
Stop & Think
Sacred Pledge
XReign of TerrorX
Speaking of xReign of Terrorx, has anyone heard them/heard of them? If so, what do you think about them(or he) I don't know how many members or if there is just one, so ill just say xROTx. xROTx is straight edge rap. I think xROTx is good, i like their songs a lot but what do you guys think about them not being hardcore. If you havn't heard xROTx listen to them, i would love to know what you think. Here is there myspace myspace.com/xreignofterrorx
I think the song "Torch the Grey Area" is incredible. The lyrics are fantastic. If your going to listen to xROTx or have listened to xROTx and havn't heard that song definitely listen to it.
I think Reign Of Terror is horrible. I think it's just the one guy but I really don't know to be honest. Seventh Dagger overall gets a thumbs down from me.
please help. also, if someone would compile all that have already been said, that would be a great help. any band that i don't have years they formed or disbanded you can also tell me those, too. i am still working on it, but all help is appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by xcriterionmasterx
cfa, anti-flag, strife, refused,good riddance were not edge bands. I'd also like to know why Sage Francis is on the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by xcriterionmasterx
"Refused was a hardcore band originating from Umeå, Sweden. They formed in early 1991 with Dennis Lyxzén, David Sandström, Pär Hansson and Jonas Lidgren and released their first demo, Refused, the same year. The band went on to release one more demo, five EPs and three albums (not including The Demo Compilation or The EP Compilation) before breaking up in 1998. Refused's final line-up consisted of the members Dennis Lyxzén, David Sandström, Kristofer Steen and Jon Brännström who released everything from Songs to Fan the Flames of Discontent (1996) to the definitive album The Shape of Punk to Come. In this album, Refused drew heavily on the influence of the Washington, D.C. hardcore band, Nation of Ulysses, New York hardcore band Born Against, as well as the writings of Karl Marx, anarchist Errico Malatesta, and the Situationist International. The band were already well known for their vegan and straight edge stances."Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtD
"Strife released their second album, In This Defiance in 1997. This album was also well regarded by the straight edge/hardcore community. It was also notable for the guest appearances, with Chino Moreno of Deftones, Dino Cazares of Fear Factory and Igor Cavalera of Sepultura all taking turns on the album.
Two years later, Strife broke up, citing creative differences and exhaustion. Victory Records released Truth Through Defiance, a compilation of live tracks and previously unreleased material.
In 2000, Strife reunited to play several benefit concerts, and by the following year had officially reformed and released Angermeans. No longer straight edge, this album was considered by the band to be a more mature and focused continuation of In This Defiance. The band received some criticism from former fans for no longer being straight edge."
GR - was a vegan band, i don't know if they were straight edge.
sage is straight edge, he talks about it in some songs (according to a friend). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Francis
"As the early ‘Edge’ bands such as Minor Threat, 7 Seconds, SSD, and Cause for Alarm began to tour the nation, their beliefs and values began to catch on. " http://www.thecornernews.com/index.p...straight-edge/
anti-flag is all straight edge, but don't promote it, at least to my knowledge, so i will take them off, or note that.
not sure if they are on the list but i'm gonna put em up anyway:
The Swarm
XfilesX
Purification
Prayer For Cleansing
Arkangel
Seven Generations
Gather
Chokehold
ok. being vegan but not edge doesn't make them an edge band. Russ is edge though, but that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by xcriterionmasterx
The whole "straight edge rap" is bullshit. Straight edge is hardcore.
CFA was not edge anyway.
Yeah, therefore Anti flag is not a straight edge band.
what are you trying to achieve with this list by the way? It can never be complete you know...
straight edge can be rap, since my feeling is most rap ripped off hardcore anyways. the lyrical content, "having a message", etc. and if they rap about straight edge things and are straight edge, then i count them. their talent wasn't hardcore, it was rapping, that doesn't mean they weren't heavily influenced by hardcore, it just means they wanted to rap about straight edge rather than scream about it. and xreign of terrorx raps during hardcore songs, too. and is the guitarist of some hardcore bands. so obviously he is involved with hardcore.Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtD
well, the site has many lists, and many of them i have used over the years. they are basically like for information and whatnot. and i noticed there were many many punk/hardcore lists, but no one had ever made a straight edge list. so i decided to. i know it is never going to be "complete", because that is fucking impossible, with all the local bands from different areas and whatnot. but it is a fun thing for me to try and do, and hopefully people will look at it, and be able to see the progression of straight edge, too. with teen idles/minor threat, to youth crew, hardline, metalcore straight edge, youth crew revival, some sxe rap, even some straight edge grindcore. :]
and i will take anti-flag and cfa off, thanks. and the vegan bands.