Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

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02-19-2006, 03:18 PM
xbustedx

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Originally Posted by stepinsideissue

It's about fucking time someone said what we're all thinking.

but seriously I have been in three other threads that all ended up in this exac argument.
02-19-2006, 04:04 PM
straightXed

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Originally Posted by xbustedx

but seriously I have been in three other threads that all ended up in this exac argument.

And people can't convincingly put forward a counter argument, until they do this is the point the discussion will get caught up.
02-19-2006, 05:29 PM
xCAMIx

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Originally Posted by straightXed

And people can't convincingly put forward a counter argument, until they do this is the point the discussion will get caught up.

Basically your guy's side says that if I buy a Sex Pistol's CD, then say Sid's a genious for the bass lines he made, I cannot be edge because by supporting the band for their music, I'm also supporting their beliefs. I am not. Same thing applies to the Bible, Christianity , and Jesus.
You can be edge and Christian. That's where I'll stand, That's where I'll stay.
02-19-2006, 05:54 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by xCAMIx

Basically your guy's side says that if I buy a Sex Pistol's CD, then say Sid's a genious for the bass lines he made, I cannot be edge because by supporting the band for their music, I'm also supporting their beliefs. I am not. Same thing applies to the Bible, Christianity , and Jesus.
You can be edge and Christian. That's where I'll stand, That's where I'll stay.

wow, you really don't understand the argument at all.
02-19-2006, 06:07 PM
straightXed

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Originally Posted by xCAMIx

Basically your guy's side says that if I buy a Sex Pistol's CD, then say Sid's a genious for the bass lines he made, I cannot be edge because by supporting the band for their music, I'm also supporting their beliefs. I am not. Same thing applies to the Bible, Christianity , and Jesus.
You can be edge and Christian. That's where I'll stand, That's where I'll stay.

Thats not at all an acceptable comparison of the side that says christianity and edge don't equate. What would be a better comparison would be if you claimed to be punk but held the ideals of punk as something that don't apply to you.

If you are edge you are saying god is wrong, so unless you are saying that you can be christian and think that god is wrong (which would be a ridiculous thing to say although i'm sure you are capable of being that ridiculous) then you are wrong in saying you are a christian. However through your posts on this forum it has become abundantly clear that you are an awful christian who really has troubles understanding the concepts behind the ideas set forth in the religion of christianity. I mean you can't even refrain from swearing because its a bit of effort on your part so your insight into the structure of your faith and how it intertwines with other structures really holds very little weight. Even your analogys are painfully off beat and don't address the core of the argument, when you can acceptably address those issues perhaps what you say will begin to have some worth but as it stands you have simply posted inacurate nonsense and accompanied that by simply saying "You can be edge and Christian." Hardly an air tight argument! I mean the very source text of your religion identifys the points that we argue but you choose not to accept the word of your god, your argument isn't even with us its with your own belief system, with your god. You can say that its where you stand and how its where you will stay but that doesn't convince me otherwise of the inconsitancies between being edge and christian, that just shows me that you are standing in defiance of your god. Even though it may seem menial its still his way you are going against. Where you stand just makes you an illogical and awful christain which as you have proven is pretty much the sum of the truth.
02-19-2006, 08:30 PM
rodrigo

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Originally Posted by xCAMIx

if I buy a Sex Pistol's CD, then say Sid's a genious for the bass lines he made,

best joke ever
02-27-2006, 12:00 AM
KyleEvans

The irony is that sid couldnt play bass and the guitarist played bass on never mind the bullocs.
03-02-2006, 02:42 PM
Old_Man_sxe

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Originally Posted by SgtD

so you didn't read it too closely did you?

1. you say you are sxe. therefore you think drinking is wrong.
2. you are christian, and think that god is flawless, however jesus drank wine.
3. jesus drank wine-> he can't be flawless like you say. that's the contradiction

Who said the wine that Jesus drank contained alcohol? I have no proof, but most wine back in those times contained no alcohol. Maybe? Possibly?
03-02-2006, 02:43 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by Old_Man_sxe

Who said the wine that Jesus drank contained alcohol? I have no proof, but most wine back in those times contained no alcohol. Maybe? Possibly?

because contextually there's no reason to believe it didn't. Most wine back then did contain alcohol, that's what made it wine. Jesus makes the distinction between himself and John the baptist. Jesus drank alcohol and John the Baptist didn't.
03-02-2006, 02:54 PM
Old_Man_sxe

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Originally Posted by xsecx

because contextually there's no reason to believe it didn't. Most wine back then did contain alcohol, that's what made it wine. Jesus makes the distinction between himself and John the baptist. Jesus drank alcohol and John the Baptist didn't.

I have to disagree that alcohol made the wine. Wine that is freshly pressed contains no alcohol.
03-02-2006, 02:58 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by Old_Man_sxe

I have to disagree that alcohol made the wine. Wine that is freshly pressed contains no alcohol.

liquid that is freshly pressed isn't wine. it's juice. it doesn't become wine until it's fermented. Like I said traditionally there is no reason to believe, like in the instance of the wedding at galea that the wine that jesus created wasn't alcoholic, as it was tradition. Wine at the last supper? Still alcoholic today in passover.
03-02-2006, 03:02 PM
Old_Man_sxe

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Originally Posted by xsecx

liquid that is freshly pressed isn't wine. it's juice. it doesn't become wine until it's fermented. Like I said traditionally there is no reason to believe, like in the instance of the wedding at galea that the wine that jesus created wasn't alcoholic, as it was tradition. Wine at the last supper? Still alcoholic today in passover.

Grape juice was referred to as wine in those times.
03-02-2006, 03:04 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by Old_Man_sxe

Grape juice was referred to as wine in those times.

it was refered to as oinos which can mean both, but typically implies alcohol. Now if you want to provide some supporting evidence as to why the wine definitely wasn't alcoholic, then go for it.
03-02-2006, 03:12 PM
Old_Man_sxe

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Originally Posted by xsecx

it was refered to as oinos which can mean both, but typically implies alcohol. Now if you want to provide some supporting evidence as to why the wine definitely wasn't alcoholic, then go for it.

I already stated my theory with "freshly pressed”, but I wasn't there. I doubt anyone is going to prove it was alcohol or non-alcohol, based on actual fact.

So Christians can be sxe? Possibly?
03-02-2006, 03:17 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by Old_Man_sxe

I already stated my theory with "freshly pressed”, but I wasn't there. I doubt anyone is going to prove it was alcohol or non-alcohol, based on actual fact.

So Christians can be sxe? Possibly?

based on traditions, based on what's written Jesus drank alcoholic wine. The only people who disagree with this are ones that want to change history and change the bible to condemn alcohol consumption period, even though the bible is very clear that getting drunk is a sin.

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