Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

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Originally Posted by w.wright690

Can you give me your personal deffinition of logic. not the dictionary one that you showed before.

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that is my definition of logic, there's no reason for me to have a personal one when that one fits exactly what I've been talking about.

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maybe i made my first statement a little too quickly. those things did happen back then and some were aided by alchohol. but jesus didnt just made it for a wedding, where it was necessary.

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it wasn't necessary, it was a custom. According to John it happened after they had run out of wine, after the ceremony. It wasn't necessary at all, it was a party. There were plenty of people that didn't drink alcohol at the time. The drinking of alcohol, then and now was part of the culture and something expected and accepted. This was a culture that Jesus accepted and condoned and a culture that people that are straight edge reject.

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What are you basing this off of? there were people that drank too much or just drank but didnt get drunk. i have never seen anything that says that there were people who didnt drink at all because its wrong.

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buddhism predates christianity and states that the consumption of alcohol is wrong. John the Baptist didn't drink alcohol at all.

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Let me ask you this...would you have a problem with alchohol if you couldnt get drunk? im pretty sure the answer is no. you have a problem with getting drunk as did jesus. jesus never said that we are obligated to drink alchohol. although at the last supper he did say that we should remember him. and christians practice that at communion with wine. but they drink like a tablespoon. i see nothing wrong with drinking a tablespoon to remember your god. if you do i guess thats find it just makes no snese to me since the only reason you have a problem with it is that you can get drunk. and you cant get drunk off of a tablespoon.

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Your question doesn't make sense, because the issue with alcohol are the effects. If you take away those effects then it doesn't really matter. I have a problem with the consumption of alcohol in any amount for any reason. I have a problem with a religion that condones the use of alcohol while at the same time condemning drunkenness. I believe that it's a pointless substance that should be avoided completely because of what it does and the effects it has on people. I think that anyone who would drink alcohol because of their religion cannot be straight edge, because they clearly do not have a strong moral issue with the consumption of alcohol.

Christianity is plagued with contradiction and hypocrisy. I chose to give up those things when I became edge. I do, however believe that there can be an ultimate authority in your life. For a lot of edgers, it is the music, the community, the brotherhood. For me, I do believe in on divine spirit, devoid of human influence. Or destruction.

I don't think that any divine creature would waste his time walking the earth-- therefore, discounting the existence of a messiah, in my opinion.

I do think, for those of us that have been given a second chance at life through straightedge, there must be someone in control. Because I am seldom deserving of the life I have today.

As far as an answer to the original question-- NO. You can not be christian and straight edge.

I like the analogy that if you don't like hardcore, you can't be edge. That's very true. But, I guess, at the same time, if you do live hardcore, you can have other musical interests.

You can be DRUG FREE/HATE FREE/LUST FREE. Just keep your label in the appropriate context.

This is just my opinion-- Not meant for controversy.

someones gota deleate this. it keeps comin back like a damn zombie, dose anyone really enjoy arguing over the same thing with the same answers anymore?

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Originally Posted by chadfitzy

someones gota deleate this. it keeps comin back like a damn zombie, dose anyone really enjoy arguing over the same thing with the same answers anymore?

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i disagree, it should be made a sticky!

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Originally Posted by chadfitzy

someones gota deleate this. it keeps comin back like a damn zombie, dose anyone really enjoy arguing over the same thing with the same answers anymore?

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if it was deleted it would just come back.

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Originally Posted by SgtD

i disagree, it should be made a sticky!

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No use in making it a sticky since its the only topic there is in the religion part i guess :s
Is there any other possible way to talk about religion related to sXe?
Though i would like to find out if there are muslim straightedgers...
just out of curiosity :D

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Originally Posted by Just-a-fool

No use in making it a sticky since its the only topic there is in the religion part i guess :s
Is there any other possible way to talk about religion related to sXe?
Though i would like to find out if there are muslim straightedgers...
just out of curiosity :D

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there are, they're just older than what's being displayed by default.

and yes, there are muslim straight edge kids.

Hmm i should change my interface a bit then, so it will show older topics too.

Anyway, i'm not an active catholic. Not many Belgian youth is.
But if anyone asks me what my religion is i still say i'm christian.
Why's that? Because i dont know that much of other religions yet :D
Maybe i should read up about others somewhere else.

Ohw yeh my opionion about being edge and Christian?
I find it quite possible since they both follow the same basics.

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Originally Posted by Just-a-fool

Hmm i should change my interface a bit then, so it will show older topics too.

Anyway, i'm not an active catholic. Not many Belgian youth is.
But if anyone asks me what my religion is i still say i'm christian.
Why's that? Because i dont know that much of other religions yet :D
Maybe i should read up about others somewhere else.

Ohw yeh my opionion about being edge and Christian?
I find it quite possible since they both follow the same basics.

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I would suggest going through and reading the thread, the conversation is about scriptural issues rather than a general question.

I hate to but in here, but I think that a point has been missed. Comparing sxe with Christianity, or any religion, is like apples and oranges. First, sxe does not suggest that drinking is wrong in so much as it is a 'sin.' There are no 'sins' in sxe, only the committment to abstaining from drinking since it does not give one the 'edge.' So, Christ's drinking was not a committment to maintaining an 'edge,' that ability to be ahead of a culture seduced by drugs and alcohol, but one that identified him with current Jewish culture. Edge is more for those specifically in the punk/hardcore scene. If you are not in it, then there is no reason to have an 'edge,' since drinking dulls the senses-something that is more necessary in a lifestyle in the fast lane than in the slow.

You may find that my interpretation of sxe is not the same as your's, but the logic, assuming my interpretation is correct or acceptable is there.

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Originally Posted by xmountbrockenx

I hate to but in here, but I think that a point has been missed. Comparing sxe with Christianity, or any religion, is like apples and oranges. First, sxe does not suggest that drinking is wrong in so much as it is a 'sin.' There are no 'sins' in sxe, only the committment to abstaining from drinking since it does not give one the 'edge.' So, Christ's drinking was not a committment to maintaining an 'edge,' that ability to be ahead of a culture seduced by drugs and alcohol, but one that identified him with current Jewish culture. Edge is more for those specifically in the punk/hardcore scene. If you are not in it, then there is no reason to have an 'edge,' since drinking dulls the senses-something that is more necessary in a lifestyle in the fast lane than in the slow.

You may find that my interpretation of sxe is not the same as your's, but the logic, assuming my interpretation is correct or acceptable is there.

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what is everyones obsession with apples and oranges on this forum?!

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Originally Posted by Segadoway

what is everyones obsession with apples and oranges on this forum?!

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Hey, their good for you. And they make a point through a model one can understand. However, I could have said that the two, Christianity (or any religion) and sxe, are not the same sorts of things. The former is a religion, the latter a lifestyle associated with the hardcore/punk scene. Is that better? But you should still eat your apples and oranges. For I hear they prolong life and make one feel better.

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Originally Posted by xmountbrockenx

I hate to but in here, but I think that a point has been missed. Comparing sxe with Christianity, or any religion, is like apples and oranges. First, sxe does not suggest that drinking is wrong in so much as it is a 'sin.' There are no 'sins' in sxe, only the committment to abstaining from drinking since it does not give one the 'edge.' So, Christ's drinking was not a committment to maintaining an 'edge,' that ability to be ahead of a culture seduced by drugs and alcohol, but one that identified him with current Jewish culture. Edge is more for those specifically in the punk/hardcore scene. If you are not in it, then there is no reason to have an 'edge,' since drinking dulls the senses-something that is more necessary in a lifestyle in the fast lane than in the slow.

You may find that my interpretation of sxe is not the same as your's, but the logic, assuming my interpretation is correct or acceptable is there.

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people aren't comparing them at all, the argument is that the beliefs of one contradict the beliefs of the other. I also don't understand why you think that straight edge doesn't suggest that drinking is wrong, nor do I understand how something could be a "sin" and not wrong.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

people aren't comparing them at all, the argument is that the beliefs of one contradict the beliefs of the other. I also don't understand why you think that straight edge doesn't suggest that drinking is wrong, nor do I understand how something could be a "sin" and not wrong.

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"Sins" and "wrong things" are two different categories. If you blurping out loud at the table this is wrong. But not a sin. If you kill someone this is a sin. xmountbrockenx try to say that for straight edge people drinking is a wrong thing. Not a sin. So when there is a church service on sunday, some dudes are drinking wine and some dudes are not. And there isn't problem for the "two sides". I think this is what he want to say...

Some straight edge guy is vegan and think eating meat is a wrong thing, but when there is a show they sing along with straight edgers who eating meat... And no problem.

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Originally Posted by XTrueColorsX

"Sins" and "wrong things" are two different categories. If you blurping out loud at the table this is wrong. But not a sin. If you kill someone this is a sin. xmountbrockenx try to say that for straight edge people drinking is a wrong thing. Not a sin. So when there is a church service on sunday, some dudes are drinking wine and some dudes are not. And there isn't problem for the "two sides". I think this is what he want to say...

Some straight edge guy is vegan and think eating meat is a wrong thing, but when there is a show they sing along with straight edgers who eating meat... And no problem.

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I didn't get that impression from what he was saying at all, in fact I saw it as the opposite.

and being christian and vegan for moral reasons is also against christian scripture for the same reason.