Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

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03-03-2009, 01:07 AM
Segadoway

i really dont like religion, especially christianity.
03-03-2009, 01:42 AM
xTonyThreatx

I spent a lot of time reading this the other day, and it's something I've always thought about.
So I talked to my Christ follower buddy about this subject who practically breathes Christian scripture and studies it.
He insisted that any wine Jesus made or consumed was un-alcoholic.
He claims there is proof within the descriptions of wine in the bible that proves it is un-alcoholic. He also mentioned something about not allowing it to ferment for some reason...
But it was 2:00 in the morning, and I was half asleep. I can't recall what he said on that subject.

All I have to say personally on the matter is:
"This ain't no cross on my hand" - Limp Wrist
03-03-2009, 02:32 AM
SgtD

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03-03-2009, 09:51 AM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by xTonyThreatx

I spent a lot of time reading this the other day, and it's something I've always thought about.
So I talked to my Christ follower buddy about this subject who practically breathes Christian scripture and studies it.
He insisted that any wine Jesus made or consumed was un-alcoholic.
He claims there is proof within the descriptions of wine in the bible that proves it is un-alcoholic. He also mentioned something about not allowing it to ferment for some reason...
But it was 2:00 in the morning, and I was half asleep. I can't recall what he said on that subject.

All I have to say personally on the matter is:
"This ain't no cross on my hand" - Limp Wrist

your friend is wrong, there's no scriptural or historical reason to believe that it wasn't alcoholic wine.
03-03-2009, 10:25 PM
w.wright690

what do you mean that doesnt make sense? im saying that living a life for god and then dying to find out there is no god is better than living a life not of god and finding out there is a god. it really isnt that complex. maybe you should try reading it again.

i know they didnt do any harm because of common sense, there isnt much damage you can do in 20b.c.

no, im addressing the point you made erlier. what i said was that alchohol was a lot different back then. straight edge people do have a problem with alchohol, but there werent any straight edges back then were there?...And he has a problem with it. he has a problem with people getting drunk off of alchohol which is the reason straight edges are against alchohol. if there was no way to get drunk on alchohol you wouldnt have a problem with it. you and jesus both have a problem with getting drunk. that is the only bad thing about alchohol.

Could you try and just read what im saying instead of just replying with "that doesnt make sense." because all im saying makes sense and it would be great if you could just come up with a good response instead of just mocking it.
03-03-2009, 10:26 PM
w.wright690

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Originally Posted by xsecx

your friend is wrong, there's no scriptural or historical reason to believe that it wasn't alcoholic wine.

maybe you should try finding out what he was talking about instead of just throwing it out the window.
03-04-2009, 10:16 AM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by w.wright690

maybe you should try finding out what he was talking about instead of just throwing it out the window.

because it's an argument that's been made a lot by modern christians and has already been debunked earlier in this thread. I suggest you read the following: http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/con...114796842.html
03-04-2009, 10:30 AM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by w.wright690

what do you mean that doesnt make sense? im saying that living a life for god and then dying to find out there is no god is better than living a life not of god and finding out there is a god. it really isnt that complex. maybe you should try reading it again.

And that doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not belief in god is logical. What you just describe was living in fear, not a logical decision.

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i know they didnt do any harm because of common sense, there isnt much damage you can do in 20b.c.

So suicide, rape, incest, murder, etc didn't exist back then and weren't aided by alcohol?
I think your world view is ignorant and naive if you think alcohol is a modern problem.

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no, im addressing the point you made erlier. what i said was that alchohol was a lot different back then. straight edge people do have a problem with alchohol, but there werent any straight edges back then were there?...And he has a problem with it. he has a problem with people getting drunk off of alchohol which is the reason straight edges are against alchohol. if there was no way to get drunk on alchohol you wouldnt have a problem with it. you and jesus both have a problem with getting drunk. that is the only bad thing about alchohol.

There were plenty of people back then that had a problem with the consumption of alcohol for moral reasons, jesus just wasn't one of them. Straight Edge people have an issue with the consumption of alcohol at all. Jesus had no problem with the consumption of alcohol and that's the root of the issue. To be straight edge you're saying that you thinking the drinking of any amount of alcohol is wrong and that is in direct conflict with the teachings and actions of jesus.

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Could you try and just read what im saying instead of just replying with "that doesnt make sense." because all im saying makes sense and it would be great if you could just come up with a good response instead of just mocking it.

a lot of what you've said doesn't make sense. you've said that alcohol was one of the greatest inventions of all time and that it didn't cause problems in the distant past. Both of those statements make no sense.
03-04-2009, 01:52 PM
xGriffox

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Originally Posted by xTonyThreatx

"This ain't no cross on my hand" - Limp Wrist

all that needs be said on this topic. lovers of jesus GTFO!
03-04-2009, 04:45 PM
xTonyThreatx

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Originally Posted by w.wright690

maybe you should try finding out what he was talking about instead of just throwing it out the window.

I threw it out the window too. I figured I would ask him since he isn't Christian and he studies biblical texts far more than any "Christians" of today.

Also, a tad off-topic, but do any other non-christians hate it when they find a really good hardcore/edge band just to find out they are christian?
Then you think, "Well, they have good music, that's what matters."
But then once you get deeper into their music you find that they are nothing but a Jesus preaching Chirstcore band?
03-05-2009, 12:17 PM
w.wright690

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And that doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not belief in god is logical. What you just describe was living in fear, not a logical decision.

Can you give me your personal deffinition of logic. not the dictionary one that you showed before.

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So suicide, rape, incest, murder, etc didn't exist back then and weren't aided by alcohol?
I think your world view is ignorant and naive if you think alcohol is a modern problem.

maybe i made my first statement a little too quickly. those things did happen back then and some were aided by alchohol. but jesus didnt just made it for a wedding, where it was necessary.

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There were plenty of people back then that had a problem with the consumption of alcohol for moral reasons, jesus just wasn't one of them. Straight Edge people have an issue with the consumption of alcohol at all. Jesus had no problem with the consumption of alcohol and that's the root of the issue. To be straight edge you're saying that you thinking the drinking of any amount of alcohol is wrong and that is in direct conflict with the teachings and actions of jesus.

What are you basing this off of? there were people that drank too much or just drank but didnt get drunk. i have never seen anything that says that there were people who didnt drink at all because its wrong.
Let me ask you this...would you have a problem with alchohol if you couldnt get drunk? im pretty sure the answer is no. you have a problem with getting drunk as did jesus. jesus never said that we are obligated to drink alchohol. although at the last supper he did say that we should remember him. and christians practice that at communion with wine. but they drink like a tablespoon. i see nothing wrong with drinking a tablespoon to remember your god. if you do i guess thats find it just makes no snese to me since the only reason you have a problem with it is that you can get drunk. and you cant get drunk off of a tablespoon.
03-05-2009, 12:26 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by w.wright690

then adress them with a response.

I did, you apparently just didn't like it.
03-05-2009, 12:26 PM
w.wright690

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Originally Posted by xTonyThreatx

I threw it out the window too. I figured I would ask him since he isn't Christian and he studies biblical texts far more than any "Christians" of today.

Also, a tad off-topic, but do any other non-christians hate it when they find a really good hardcore/edge band just to find out they are christian?
Then you think, "Well, they have good music, that's what matters."
But then once you get deeper into their music you find that they are nothing but a Jesus preaching Chirstcore band?

i wouldn't say more than any, because you dont know all of them. there are people that study that stuff for there entire lives
03-05-2009, 12:36 PM
w.wright690

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Originally Posted by xsecx

I did, you apparently just didn't like it.

sorry i messed up making that post
03-05-2009, 08:57 PM
xTonyThreatx

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Originally Posted by w.wright690

i wouldn't say more than any, because you dont know all of them. there are people that study that stuff for there entire lives

Yeah, but a majority of christians haven't even opened a bible.
It's really sad.

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