Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

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Originally Posted by xmegx

the fact is that im a sxe christian person. it doesn't affect anyone but me, and i think that it should be no biggie to anyone else.

so please dont judge me.

maybe it is a contradiction, but lays on my head, not yours.

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well it does, but that's a completely different discussion that the one that's being discussed in this thread. The entire existence of "christian hardcore" and it's used to "save" people very much does affect all of us here.

now how is anyone supposed to respect you on any level when you fail to see the contradictions/faults in your own religion. You ignore the parts you don't agree with and only accept the parts that you do. How does that make any sense? Why would you follow a religion that only kind of fit your beliefs, especially in terms of the level of devotion you're supposed to have for it? This entire conversation happened because you refused to actually look at your beliefs and how they conflict with your religion and your failure to ultimately reconcile them. That's the thing that honestly doesn't make sense. There are quite a few religions that don't condone moderate alcohol consumption. If this is something that's important to you, then why would you choose to follow the one of the only ones that does? Doesn't it's own internal contradiction strike you as odd? "here, drink this wine, it's my blood, but not too much, because it's a sin." Vs. don't drink alcohol, it's not a good idea.

God isn't against drinking, but he is against getting drunk.

and i know that i couldn't control it if i started to drink, so i just dont altogether.

how is that a contradiction? sxe=not for drinking: me=not a drinker: God=against getting drunk.

the wine jesus gave to his disciples, was only a representation of his blood, his sacrifice.
it wouldn't have made sense to give them water, " here drink this WATER, its my blood"

the modern day christian church is against drinking altogether. that is also what i believe.

its blind faith my friend, not friend.

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Originally Posted by xmegx

God isn't against drinking, but he is against getting drunk.

and i know that i couldn't control it if i started to drink, so i just dont altogether.

how is that a contradiction? sxe=not for drinking: me=not a drinker: God=against getting drunk.

the wine jesus gave to his disciples, was only a representation of his blood, his sacrifice.
it wouldn't have made sense to give them water, " here drink this WATER, its my blood"

the modern day christian church is against drinking altogether. that is also what i believe.

its blind faith my friend, not friend.

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so the fact that you think drinking is wrong, and would rather alcohol didn't exist, isn't a contradiction? That your god actually encouraged people to drink, and by being straight edge you're saying that action was wrong, isn't a contradiction? Seriously, why is it so hard a concept to get? If you substituted god for friend or parent, do you think we'd be having the same conversation? Would you still be trying to rationalize it?

and no, the reason jesus gave wine to his disciples, was because as a jew it was and still is customary to drink wine during passover, there's a very real reason why he didn't choose water.

The modern day christian church is also a giant contradiction. You've got some that accept homosexuality. You've got some that condone the killing of doctores. You've got some that condemn homosexuality. The vast majority of modern christians drink alcohol, and the only place where the church is really against alcohol is north america, it certainly isn't the case through central and south america, africa or europe, and well over half of all christians world wide today are catholic, so no, it isn't. SOME are, but the majority of christians and christian churchs actually aren't against alcohol.

I'm glad you've put blind faith in something that clearly doesn't deserve it.

you know

they grapes fermented on the vine over there

because they contain so much suger and stuff in them

so there wasnt even a process to make wine

and they often times put wine into the water so it wouldnt spoil




just saying

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Originally Posted by XbassmanX

you know

they grapes fermented on the vine over there

because they contain so much suger and stuff in them

so there wasnt even a process to make wine

and they often times put wine into the water so it wouldnt spoil




just saying

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what point are you trying to make? There were people around jesus and in the time of jesus who didn't drink wine or alcohol of any kind.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

what point are you trying to make? There were people around jesus and in the time of jesus who didn't drink wine or alcohol of any kind.

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I think you should just stop debating this. You have spelled things out as clearly as possible and they just aren't listening, which is their loss if they want to beleive something that can't be true.

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

I think you should just stop debating this. You have spelled things out as clearly as possible and they just aren't listening, which is their loss if they want to beleive something that can't be true.

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but it's fun?

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Originally Posted by xsecx

but it's fun?

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lol well in that case..

i just figured you were getting sick of the same debate over and over again, but if you are having fun then that is all that matters!

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

lol well in that case..

i just figured you were getting sick of the same debate over and over again, but if you are having fun then that is all that matters!

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it's not completely the same.I just find it really amazing how little these folks have actually thought about their own religion. They just believe what they've been told about the bible and their religion and they hold on to is so hard that it's really funny.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

it's not completely the same.I just find it really amazing how little these folks have actually thought about their own religion. They just believe what they've been told about the bible and their religion and they hold on to is so hard that it's really funny.

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They are born again Christians, so being armed with a bible is necessary but opening it and doing that thing called reading doesn't really seem to be an important thing to them. Hosting Xbox link up nights and luring kids to their church is most important and make sure you drop a 50 in the collection bag so they can keep up the awesome work!

wasnt that the catholic church that did that?

cause i know for sure my church wouldnt

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Originally Posted by XbassmanX

wasnt that the catholic church that did that?

cause i know for sure my church wouldnt

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If you are a christian (no matter what denomination), the catholic church is the basis of your religion....

actually...no

im a baptist

weve been around longer than the catholics

but whatever

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Originally Posted by XbassmanX

actually...no

im a baptist

weve been around longer than the catholics

but whatever

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The baptist perpetuity view is not proven in any way. According to solid facts the Baptist church started in the 1600's and trying to use the fact that just because John the Baptist and followers may have existed in the first century is considered incorrect among historians. However the Roman Catholic church has solid evidence of existing in the 300's.

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Originally Posted by SgtD

so you didn't read it too closely did you?

1. you say you are sxe. therefore you think drinking is wrong.
2. you are christian, and think that god is flawless, however jesus drank wine.
3. jesus drank wine-> he can't be flawless like you say. that's the contradiction

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they didn't know it was wine man, it wss juice that sat and furmented, they didn't have a fridge man, they just knew tht if they drank to much that they felt funny. drunk another words!