Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

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10-18-2007, 11:06 AM
xmegx

i think that what Jesus did was, accpetable in what he did only because the culture he lived in was ok with it. and he never got drunk.

the Bible is against get drunk, not neccessarily drinking. he never got drunk therefore, never did Jesus break his own laws.

and in Hungary it might be different but the majority of american churches are against drinking and use grape juice.
except for the catholic church, which is universal.
10-18-2007, 11:18 AM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by xmegx

i think that what Jesus did was, accpetable in what he did only because the culture he lived in was ok with it. and he never got drunk.

again, why does cultural relevance matter? He was perfect. If he was perfect then, he should be perfect now. That's what perfect means. He chose to do it, one of his disciples chose not to. Jesus drank, John the baptist didn't. According to your own beliefs Jesus was wrong for his choice.

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the Bible is against get drunk, not neccessarily drinking. he never got drunk therefore, never did Jesus break his own laws.

But you ARE against drinking, and therefore believe that something jesus did was wrong. You've judged god. That's the crux of the issue. how can you find fault in god?
10-18-2007, 08:55 PM
PROPER JERK

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Originally Posted by xmegx

i think that what Jesus did was, accpetable in what he did only because the culture he lived in was ok with it. and he never got drunk.

That is possibly the most retarded thing I have ever heard. The culture we live in now is ok with drinking and it is the most common social activity. Did you ever think to even research or find out anything about straight edge before you claimed it?

Also can you tell me what the modern church you belong to is?
10-19-2007, 12:43 AM
XbassmanX

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Originally Posted by SgtD

woah!
this is pretty much a flawed logic.
the catholic church really handles out real wine, and i never heard about grape juice before. come and check at any church over here.
a small heads-up: drinking wine is cultural in the days we live in. I don't know how the christian church is against drinking, when the preachers are consuming it (just like the people who do communion) and the preachers have famous wineyards, and schnapps in a lot of countries even in these days we live in. (this is a historically proven fact)
However, it is cool, that you think Jesus is evil! :)
the person who has to listen, and think about these things, is you.(and your friends on here)

i dont know what kind of church you are talking about but it sure aint mine
10-19-2007, 01:23 AM
PROPER JERK

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Originally Posted by XbassmanX

i dont know what kind of church you are talking about but it sure aint mine

Are you born again?
10-19-2007, 02:32 AM
SgtD

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Originally Posted by XbassmanX

i dont know what kind of church you are talking about but it sure aint mine

re-read, it's well hidden in my post!
hint: it starts with a c.
10-19-2007, 08:50 AM
xmegx

ok, i'm not judging jesus at all. dont say that i do when i dont.

jesus was PERFECT. i dont drink not becuause i think it's bad, but becuase i dont want to be addicted.

i go to a non-denominational church. im a born again believer.

John the Baptist wasn't really his disciple. he was a prophet and fore-comer. and John the Baptist didn't drink becuase he was a Nazarene, not for any other reason.

and if drinking was ok, and getting drunk was not, and Jesus never got drunk, then still is he perfect.
10-19-2007, 09:47 AM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by xmegx

ok, i'm not judging jesus at all. dont say that i do when i dont.

jesus was PERFECT. i dont drink not becuause i think it's bad, but becuase i dont want to be addicted.

um, I just asked you if you thought drinking was wrong, and you said yes? If you don't think drinking is bad, then why would you call yourself straight edge, a group who does think drinking is bad?

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John the Baptist wasn't really his disciple. he was a prophet and fore-comer. and John the Baptist didn't drink becuase he was a Nazarene, not for any other reason.

Do you realize how incredibly inconsistant you are? First you argue that jesus had to drink, then you refute that john the baptist didn't drink, and now you accept it but then don't actually address your original point.

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and if drinking was ok, and getting drunk was not, and Jesus never got drunk, then still is he perfect.

and you still said that you think drinking is wrong. Would you have taken the wine from jesus if he gave it to you? IF so, then how are you against drinking? ANd if not, then how can you say that he's perfect?
10-19-2007, 09:43 PM
xmegx

i think that world would be a much better place w/out alcohol. but do i think that drinking is like uber uber bad?

for me it would be. i dont judge or presume to know what is best for other people.

well if John the baptist didn't drink, and jesus never got drunk, then how is any of that sinning?
i dont get what you're trying to say.

jESUS wouldn't ask me to drink alcohol so thats not even the issue.
10-19-2007, 10:44 PM
rodrigo

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Originally Posted by xmegx

i think that world would be a much better place w/out alcohol. but do i think that drinking is like uber uber bad?

for me it would be. i dont judge or presume to know what is best for other people.

well if John the baptist didn't drink, and jesus never got drunk, then how is any of that sinning?
i dont get what you're trying to say.

jESUS wouldn't ask me to drink alcohol so thats not even the issue.

this has been written before, like a thousand times.

A) straight edge include a stance against the use of recreational drugs. its not abstaing from drugs just for the sake of it, we do it because we dont agree with it.

B) jesus condoned the usage of alcoholic drinks, read this same thread before for all the facts written in the bible and shit.

C) jesus is the son of god in earth but share his escense with the holy trinity, wich means jesus is god, and also was his representative in earth while he was around here.

D) the idea of god is based on a being who is flawless and perfect, so he cant be wrong.

now, you take D and add it up to C and B, you get a perfect god in earth who turns water into whine for people to drink.

but A also says that you dont agree with the usage of alcohol as a recreative drug, so that means you dont agree with the idea of drinking whine, but jesus gave people whine, so he clearly agrees with it... and you dont... and he does...

you see the contradiction?
10-20-2007, 02:27 AM
SgtD

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Originally Posted by xmegx

i think that world would be a much better place w/out alcohol. but do i think that drinking is like uber uber bad?

for me it would be. i dont judge or presume to know what is best for other people.

well if John the baptist didn't drink, and jesus never got drunk, then how is any of that sinning?
i dont get what you're trying to say.

jESUS wouldn't ask me to drink alcohol so thats not even the issue.

what rodrigo said (and the others have been saying since the opening of this topic, if you cared to read..)

i'll add one thing:

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well if John the baptist didn't drink, and jesus never got drunk, then how is any of that sinning?

Jesus never got drunk you say, but he did drink, adn you admit it. So drinking in moderation is cool with you? I mean, come on, you think drinking is über über bad, and the world would be a better place without it...

and for your reading pleasure, here's something for you:

All religions make me wanna throw up
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They all claim that they have the truth
That'll set you free
Just give 'em all your money and they'll set you free
Free for a fee

They all claim that they have 'the Answer'
When they don't even know the Question
They're just a bunch of liars
They just want your money
They just want your consciousness

All religions suck
All religions make me wanna throw up
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All religions make me wanna BLEAH

They really make me sick
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They really make me sick
They really make me ILL
10-20-2007, 02:34 AM
SgtD

oh yeah, and this one too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPrxB6C-I1M
If you don't understand the lyrics, of which i wouldn't be surprised, get an mp3 of this song. I couldn't find the lyrics for it. NO CIRCLE PITS IN HEAVEN!!!
10-20-2007, 06:37 AM
PROPER JERK

Cristian infiltration
you've got your biblical vision
wanting to instill it on xxx hardcore
with conservative precision

this ain´t no cross on my hand

this x on my hand is no dead mans
stigmata
centuries of hate disguised on pamphlet
at a show
impressionable kids believe it but they
haven´t lived enough to know

this ain't no cross on my hand

underneath all the false promises and peace
is nothing but a bunch of lies and the end of
you and me.

this ain't no cross on my hand
10-20-2007, 09:47 AM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by xmegx

jESUS wouldn't ask me to drink alcohol so thats not even the issue.

he asked other people to, specifically the wedding of cana and the last supper?

Seriously, at this point, is it completely lost on you how much you're contradicting yourself?
10-20-2007, 09:47 PM
xmegx

once rodrigo put it into a different way, i see how it could be a contradiction.

but i choose, to see it this way, God would want to me to stay sober, because it would be VERY bad for me.

and God/ Jesus is ultimatley right. this is true.

thanks rodrigo for saying it in a non-accusatory way.

the fact is that im a sxe christian person. it doesn't affect anyone but me, and i think that it should be no biggie to anyone else.

so please dont judge me.

maybe it is a contradiction, but lays on my head, not yours.

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