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they might now be an edge band now but they used to be..unless they just talked about edge as a music topic..what about the songs.."The edge is strong" and "Forever"..im not really up to speen on the band as a whole but i have listend to them and have all their old CDsQuote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
the increasing amount of christians taking on straight edge and even trying to say that christianity is a part of it lol.
And about throwdown, I have always found everything they have put out to be extremely boring, and I really dont like how they stopped being an edge band to get more listeners.
here's some historical proof why you can't be christian and edge
http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/...2m_6ad2b5e.jpg
I hate it when people think that all sxe will beat up anyone that drinks or smokes.
like this guy i work with, Andy Core, says that all sxe are assholes and push their beliefs on others. he likens sxe to violent mormons.
man that pisses me off.
alot of people do have good reason to think of sxe kids like that, I personally dont intentionally get violent with people that drink or smoke but when someone is smoking in a public place where they shouldnt be or a speed freak trying to start a fight with anyone they can, I will let them know how I feel. Basically there is an equal amount of edge kids that are ignorant assholes as there is with drinkers/smokers. Alot of people are jerks in different ways, just like I'm probly not very kind to christians and often mock their beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCarr
Pushing beliefs onto someone = wrong, thats the one thing I hate about christianity. They often target people and try to make their mind up for them and I would despise straight edge kids doing the exact same thing with their beliefs. Let people think for themselves.
you do realize the irony that you have an avatar that suggests violence right?Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCarr
i don't really think that simply because sxe was started as a punk subculture that one absolutely has to put punk music on thier myspace or something dumb like that. (i don't care for myspace very much, even though i have one.... sadly... QUIT TAKING AWAY MY LIFE, MYSPACE!! I'LL DELETE YOU ONE OF THESE DAYS!!!) it's the principle i find important. not that i don't think that they shouldn't have to be familiar with the music or listen to it or anything like that, but i just feel it would be good if everyone were clean, no matter what thier taste might be. like i said, it's the principle that matters.
My intense hatred is more directed twards those who claim sXe and do everything that is against it. it made me so angry when one of my very close friends (who will remain nameless)who claimed sxe started doing EVERYTHING that went against it and they still claimed that title. they had just claimed it to be 'cool' and 'different' and to make me think they were awesome or something. they waved that titile around proudly and basicallly slandered (sorry if i butchered that word) the good clean name of straight edge.
i guess its just the way that you guys put it that makes it seem as if they cant be clean unless they listen to punk almost every waking moment of thier lives. perhaps you might feel as if the sxe community is strictly created by punks strictly for punks and that is very true and i agree with that, but i don't think it's necessary to always have hardcore on your myspace or blog or whatever. i guess that just seems a little 'poseurish' to me when someone feels they need to constantly look the part to be sxe. it kind of makes me feel as if it's just a fad for them or as if they are only doin it to look cool or w/e like my friend had.
i don't know if that made any sense, but i hope you get what i mean...
oh, and by the by.... >_> my intense hatred for them is the intense hatred of non-violence.... not that i don't feel like slapping them sometimes for just being stupid.
No one said you have to be hardcore to be clean, just you had to be hardcore to be sxe, they aren't the same thing, one is drug free, one is a subculture a person has to be active in to be a part of.Quote:
Originally Posted by jessyshmukums
punk and hardcore are very different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by jessyshmukums
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't saying you're sXe but don't listen hardcore like saying you're Christian but don't believe in Jesus? Sure you can invest and immerse yourself in the philosophy and morals of it, but there's a single overflowing backbone to it all. That's not to be so bold as to claim sXe as a religion, but I do believe the parallels exist.
Sure, the amount of devotion can vary: some can believe in Jesus and devote every aspect of their lives to promoting his/His glory where there are others who feel that faith is enough. Similarly, there are people who can completely abstain from any sort of drug including medication, completely abstain from sex, and [gotta go to class]
youre right. that's my bad, i ment to wright hardcore.... but im a loser and wrote punk -,-Quote:
punk and hardcore are very different things.
bash me. i'll just curl up and die.
Originally posted by Nam
you have a very good point. i can understand what you mean.Quote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't saying you're sXe but don't listen hardcore like saying you're Christian but don't believe in Jesus? Sure you can invest and immerse yourself in the philosophy and morals of it, but there's a single overflowing backbone to it all. That's not to be so bold as to claim sXe as a religion, but I do believe the parallels exist.
Sure, the amount of devotion can vary: some can believe in Jesus and devote every aspect of their lives to promoting his/His glory where there are others who feel that faith is enough. Similarly, there are people who can completely abstain from any sort of drug including medication, completely abstain from sex, and [gotta go to class]
but if you were to hardcore out of the sXe, then it would still leave a group of clean people, and that leaves a group of still closely bound people that had almost symetrical feelings on life(basically the parallel to your 'backbone of christianity'). while if you were to take the clean factor out of sXe then you'd have a very broader and different catagory of people that are almost entirely different feelings on life. that would be like taking God himself out of Christianity and just leaving a bunch of humans.
but yes, i can understand what you are trying to say, and i do agree that Hardcore itself is very vital to the subculture, but i'm just trying to speak on a broader plane and am generalizing humanity.
Originally posted by xvunderx
i am aware of that, and as i had stated in my post, (not meaning to be redundant or anything) "i guess its just the way that you guys put it that makes it seem as if they cant be clean unless they listen to punk almost every waking moment of thier lives." i don't mean to smart off, but, in all due respect, i am well aware of the difference between clean and straightedge. i just don't see the need to bash people a whole lot over not having hardcore on their myspace (of all silly things) rather than for getting pregnant in highschool, doing drugs, or dying intoxicated in a car crash. i was just looking at the bigger picture. it just seems to me like a bigger concern, not that the latter is unimportant.Quote:
No one said you have to be hardcore to be clean, just you had to be hardcore to be sxe, they aren't the same thing, one is drug free, one is a subculture a person has to be active in to be a part of.