Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

god is not perfect and to think that is naiive. but this debate is going nowhere because neither of us will ever change our opinions. So I guess because some kids on a website say i'm not edge, i guess im just clean. have fun with your label

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

My father is my role model. He drinks, does that mean i cannot be edge?

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no. that means that if you consider that drinking is wrong, you dont really consider your father as a good role model

So really to be edge I have to look down on everybody who drinks?

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

So really to be edge I have to look down on everybody who drinks?

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no. you have to think that is wrong to do drugs

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

god is not perfect and to think that is naiive. but this debate is going nowhere because neither of us will ever change our opinions. So I guess because some kids on a website say i'm not edge, i guess im just clean. have fun with your label

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why is not god perfect? please give us an example

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

in order to be a devout christian you have to beleive that Jesus is Salvation. You dont have to beleive that Jesus was perfect

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How don't you? Jesus was God, god is perfect, if yopu say God is inperfect in some way, and that you are right on even one marret, you put yourself above God, and I don't think anyone has to be a Christian to know that is blasphemy, on a pretty hig level.

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

god is not perfect and to think that is naiive. but this debate is going nowhere because neither of us will ever change our opinions. So I guess because some kids on a website say i'm not edge, i guess im just clean. have fun with your label

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In your opinion it might be naive to think of God as perfect, but as a Christian, it's the most important belief to have.

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

so logically you are saying that I cant be friends with somebody who is not edge because then im supporting drinking?

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can you read and comprehend english?

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

god is not perfect and to think that is naiive. but this debate is going nowhere because neither of us will ever change our opinions. So I guess because some kids on a website say i'm not edge, i guess im just clean. have fun with your label

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you seriously have no understanding of the subject at hand, can't read and are honestly pretty ignorant on the entire subject you're trying to talk about. god by definition is perfect and who's actions have to be right, by the very definition of what god is. this goes for any god. you however don't appear to even have a basic understanding of religion or logic.

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

in order to be a devout christian you have to beleive that Jesus is Salvation. You dont have to beleive that Jesus was perfect

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"So here is where I stand. I am not christian, I do not know anything about the bible or Jesus."

is this all you guys do? just gang up and make personal attacks on people just because they don't believe the exact same thing you do? that's really lame. grow up and learn to accept the fact that everybody doesn't have to think like you do. i believe in a perfect god with a perfect son. i believe that drinking is wrong. but wine is much different now than it was then. learn some history. as to jesus having a lover, that is talked about in the gnostic gospel of phillip. i have no problem with the idea that jesus could have been married. but i also have done history and i know that the books that were chosen by Constantine to be in the bible were chosen because they showed the more spiritual aspects of jesus. i believe jesus was fully god and fully man. i believe he was crucified, dead, put in the tomb, and rose from the dead after three days, and later ascended into heaven. don't tell me what i can or can't do, or what i can and can't believe.

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Originally Posted by collin

is this all you guys do? just gang up and make personal attacks on people just because they don't believe the exact same thing you do? that's really lame. grow up and learn to accept the fact that everybody doesn't have to think like you do. i believe in a perfect god with a perfect son. i believe that drinking is wrong. but wine is much different now than it was then. learn some history. as to jesus having a lover, that is talked about in the gnostic gospel of phillip. i have no problem with the idea that jesus could have been married. but i also have done history and i know that the books that were chosen by Constantine to be in the bible were chosen because they showed the more spiritual aspects of jesus. i believe jesus was fully god and fully man. i believe he was crucified, dead, put in the tomb, and rose from the dead after three days, and later ascended into heaven. don't tell me what i can or can't do, or what i can and can't believe.

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no we dont, if you actually try to read you will notice that there are only questions, answers, and logic

and none of the things you said can explain why you think that god is wrong and perfect

Jesus Christ was human. Humans have faults, that is written in the bible. Call me illiterate, gang up on me and attack me because you think you are better than me. But you have no right deciding who is or is not edge, you have no right to tell somebody that because he has different beleifs than you, he isnt edge.

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Originally Posted by collin

is this all you guys do? just gang up and make personal attacks on people just because they don't believe the exact same thing you do? that's really lame. grow up and learn to accept the fact that everybody doesn't have to think like you do. i believe in a perfect god with a perfect son. i believe that drinking is wrong. but wine is much different now than it was then. learn some history. as to jesus having a lover, that is talked about in the gnostic gospel of phillip. i have no problem with the idea that jesus could have been married. but i also have done history and i know that the books that were chosen by Constantine to be in the bible were chosen because they showed the more spiritual aspects of jesus. i believe jesus was fully god and fully man. i believe he was crucified, dead, put in the tomb, and rose from the dead after three days, and later ascended into heaven. don't tell me what i can or can't do, or what i can and can't believe.

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ok, so then where historically does it say that wine was different? You believe that drinking is wrong, and that jesus is therefore wrong for drinking. IF you believe he is fully god then you would then also have to believe that he is perfect, not perfect of the time or the situation, but perfect. There is a MAJOR philosophical difference between christianity and the beliefs that you are claiming within straight edge. A religion that puts huge symbolism into wine and a group of people against the consumption of alcohol. Your god and your religion are telling you wht you can and can't do,you're just not paying attention.

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

Jesus Christ was human. Humans have faults, that is written in the bible. Call me illiterate, gang up on me and attack me because you think you are better than me. But you have no right deciding who is or is not edge, you have no right to tell somebody that because he has different beleifs than you, he isnt edge.

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wait, do you know nothing about jesus and the bible or not? You also somehow think we're the ones making this decision. The issue here is christians believing that drinking alcohol is wrong, not straight edge.