Saying 2 things that contradict each other go along, isn't thing as they actually doing. Do you think Jesus was perfect? And do you think drinking is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by xmegx
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Saying 2 things that contradict each other go along, isn't thing as they actually doing. Do you think Jesus was perfect? And do you think drinking is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by xmegx
why can't we just agree to disagree. ? me being a christain doesn't affect ne one but me!Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
Why can't you actually address the points have been raised? How am I supposed to agree to disagree when you can't actually counter any of the points that have been raised? Why would/should I respect the opinion of someone who clearly hasn't even really thought this issue through?Quote:
Originally Posted by xmegx
They don't go along together, both disagree with eachother...Quote:
Originally Posted by xmegx
You either be edge and disregard essential parts of being christian or you disregard your straight edge beliefs to be christian... in my eyes that isnt really caring much about either of them and a total waste of time.
so are you saying that you dont accept christians because you say its self contradicting?
Almost 40 pages of people saying that Christian beliefs clash with straight edge beliefs and you are asking this question?Quote:
Originally Posted by XbassmanX
I don't know how I can make it anymore crystal clear for you...
making referance to jesus drinking wine therefore being inpure or a impropper roll model and should never be assosiated with being edge is fucking stupid.
back 2000 years ago did they have straight edge.? no they didnt and it was fucking customry to drink wine. things change over time and become more socialy "right" as time goes on. 40 years ago if you had a tattoo you would of been a sailor or in jail. now nealy every fucker has one. in the 1600's and 1700's the law was what the bible said. if read books other then the bible it was noticed you were a witch and you would be hung.
and 2000 years ago people drank wine as customry, not to get off there chops or anything.
im athiest however i have been to religious school only because the education is better. and they say the bible isn't to be taken litteraly. so in my opinion being christian and edge is fuckin rad. also just because you dont listen to the music doesnt mean your not edge.
call yourself what you want. dont be selfish with a name unless somebody is trying put it down then defend it.
I never once mentioned Jesus drinking wine and being an improper role model, my argument on this subject is that being a Christian means taking part in a ceremony in which you consume alcohol to remember Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapoleonXXX
The Christian religion is based on a faith in Jesus Christ and god, in the bible it says so itself "Take: eat; take: drink. Do this in remembrance of me." This is instruction from Jesus Christ your lord and Saviour. I don't know about you but it seems to me that the consumption of alcohol is a pretty important part of being a Christian, unless you are of course a born again Christian in which case you might as well write moron on your forehead every day when you wake up.
wow, the only dumbfuck is you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapoleonXXX
as you started off by calling names, you should have read the thread from the beginning. and again. and again. maybe that will help.
the pure fact is, that if you are a christian, Jesus is your god, he is without sin, and can not be wrong. sxe kids say that drinking is wrong. christian kids say he can not be wrong. a sxe christian is a contradiction in itself.
it still is the customry to drink wine. i don't see what you are pointing at with this one. unless that it is socially right to drink, and if it is in your standards, and you say you are sxe, than that's interesting.
straight edge without hardcore is nothing. the music is the channel for sxe. if you don't listen to the music, you still can be drug free, why be selfish, and use the name if you don't have any relation to it? having the drug free label is not enough?
i personally don't give a damn about kids thinking about themselves as sxe, it does annoy me, but i know full well, they'll be gone in a year or so.
religious school doesn't seem to be too good of an education for you if you can't see the point.
WE DONT DRINK WINE. WILL YOU PEOPLE LISTEN TO ME!!!!
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MAY OR NOT DRINK WINE WITH COMMUNION BUT THE MODERN CHURCH DOES NOT.
its Grape juice. it's SYMBOLIC of what Jesus wanted us to do. not really alcohol.
and none of you have refuted the fact that drinking wine was cultural, 2000 years ago, so not seen as an evil thing that it is now.
and being straight edge is against drinking and doing drugs, so is the christian church.
woah!Quote:
Originally Posted by xmegx
this is pretty much a flawed logic.
the catholic church really handles out real wine, and i never heard about grape juice before. come and check at any church over here.
a small heads-up: drinking wine is cultural in the days we live in. I don't know how the christian church is against drinking, when the preachers are consuming it (just like the people who do communion) and the preachers have famous wineyards, and schnapps in a lot of countries even in these days we live in. (this is a historically proven fact)
However, it is cool, that you think Jesus is evil! :)
the person who has to listen, and think about these things, is you.(and your friends on here)
answer two basic questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by xmegx
Do you think drinking is wrong?
Do you think Jesus was perfect?
Man these kids who come into these groups just to argue the idea of christianity not coinciding wth sxe, are lame. I am sure glad that is not how i got started on this website.....
yes, yes.
then if jesus was perfect, then how can something he do be wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by xmegx