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it's never that simple. without knowing the back story and why they chose to do what they did. Illegal immigration tends to be a desperate act of people who don't have the luxury of being able to go through legal means. I'd be more upset at the smugglers who are profiting on human suffering.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
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Originally Posted by mouseman004
exactly what dusty said.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
we get lots of illegal immigrants, from Perú and Bolivia, they have actually fucked up economies where the wealth distribution is really fucking unfair, 54% of people live in actual poverty, a lot of people have no studies, dont own a house, if they're lucky and have job it doesnt really pay that well... and they come down here illegally to do jobs and send money to their families. do you think a person like that can actually get a visa to go to work to canada or the united states? shit, dude, they cant even get a visa to work down here.
i can understand that you're upset and all, but at least try to look it from the other side.
Well, you have certainly bought into corporate-crock-of-shit news (or xenophobia). There is no good reason at all to direct ill feelings towards those that immigrate to create better lives for themselves in decidedly impoverished situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
I hate habing to wait on the cold floor outside a friend's apartment while waiting for him to get here
as much as i agree with you, i would suggest you to chose better words next time or at least wait for a response from the dude before making assumptions of what he bought into.Quote:
Originally Posted by xGriffox
I really dislike the tone you used, cause to me it reads as if you're somehow above him or anybody who didnt think his deal through, and even though i dont know you, i'm pretty sure we've all been into similar situations before.
I hate being woken up after 4 hours of sleep to be informed that my water will be off for most of the day because of roadwork. At least I got my shower in I guess?
I hate not being able to find a job. Seems no one wants to hire a felon, much less a felon with a Masters degree in computer engineering.
it's definitely a lot harder now with folks doing background checks standard. that definitely sucks though.Quote:
Originally Posted by amathew
Is it possible for you to have a political discussion with somebody without coming across as a pretentious asshole? I never let political beliefs affect how I feel about somebody as a person, but apparently you are under the impression that anybody with different views than yourself is a bad person, which is a crock of shit. I am not xenophobic nor do I base my political beliefs on "corporate crock of shit news". Beleive it or not, people with different political ideas than yourself are able to think for themselves and are not simply slaves to the corporate world or the media. We obviously exist on two different sides of the political spectrum, but there is no need to be rude simply because of a gap between political ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by xGriffox
Sorry for the insanely delayed response on this. I am definately more upset with the people who are trying to profit from situations like this. But part of my anger comes from the fact that there was recently a study done that says that a huge percentage of the Tamil population in Toronto who come to Canada illegally based on claiming refugee status actually go and visit home multiple times a year, especially during holidays. So my point would be that if you are escaping your country because of fear of your life and persecution, and that is your justification for not doing it legally, then how is it possible for you to go home for vacation or holidays?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
I completely understand where you are coming from, and I am not against immigration nor am I against legitimate refugees claiming refugee status and being allowed into the country. I love the fact I live in a country that people see as a haven, but there are just so many issues around this ship specifically that just throw up red flags in my mind. For instance, they have currently detained dozens of the refugees from that ship because they are suspected terrorists. Maybe once everything is cleared up I will be more understanding of the situation, but for now I remain cynical.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodrigo
because family ties and responsibility don't disappear just because you fled a country. I'd also have to ask who did the study and who funded it and for what reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
I understand that family ties don't just disappear because you leave a country, but it just seems fishy to me that you flee a country because you fear for your life and you use that to justify not following immigration procedures or laws, but you vacation there. I guess I am just really cynical I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
I read it in the Toronto Sun a few weeks ago, I will try to find the article for you.
I found it. it was a survey of 50 people and 31 returned. the actual study was done by the government and the contents weren't actually released. Basing your opinion of immigration on 50 people being surveyed seems kind of short sighted.Quote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad.../15098766.html
I didn't realise that the numbers of those polled were so small, the article I read simply said that 71% of sri lankans who recieve refugee status were said to have returned to the country once they recieved their papers. So I suppose it was short sighted to not dig deeper. In fact I am really not surprised that the Toronto Sun would create a front page story off of a survey of 50 people....Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
Like I said to Rodrigo, maybe once the whole situation is resolved and the 490 migrants are processed I will be more understanding, but for now I remain really cynical of the whole situation.
I hate the first day of school, it makes my commute suck again now that everyone is back to school and work.