Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

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Originally Posted by asiankaos

How is edge a movement? What is edge trying to change. What effect on society does edge have besides on a few kids who listen to core? Edge is not a movement it is a lifestyle. And if it is a movement then why were all you guys bitchin' about militant kids saying kill your local drug dealer? A movement takes action. It doesn't sit on internet boards and bitch about kids who are christian and edge. I'm done with this site.

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Watch your booty on the door there buddy, it might hurt when it hits you.

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Originally Posted by asiankaos

This makes no damn sense whats so ever. Edge kids can be christians. I've been edge since 94 or so and a Christian my whole life. Because Jesus drank wine I can't follow him. Thats the stupidiest thing I ever heard. Everybody ( for the most part ) on here says edge is a personal choice...so is religion. So you guys go tell the cro-mags or youth of today shelter or 108 they are wrong for listening to core and being Krishna's. Religion and sXe have nothing to do with each other. Most of you people take yourself way to seriously. Get over it edge and hardcore don't make the world go around. Its imortant to me and its a big part of my life and it has been for 14 years or so but guess what....it's not my life.
You can't be edge and christian...utterly retared. That is by far one of the dumbest things I've ever read in my life.

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if you read it, then you'd hopefully had read how it's not matter of religion, but in fact, a matter of Christianity and how the beliefs do in fact contradict. I'm glad you actually addressed the logical argument instead of just ranting. wait. all you did was rant and say that people were wrong, but didn't actually explain how/why.

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Originally Posted by asiankaos

And for the not following Jesus thing because he drank. So you don't listen to anybody who isn't edge so your parents teachers and boss are all edge right? So the laws you follow everyday were passed by people who were edge right? EDGE ISN'T THE BE ALL AND END ALL GET OVER IT!!!!!!

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so jesus was just a human and not perfect? Or was jesus divine and perfect? If jesus was perfect, then how can you find fault in anything he did? If he wasn't perfect, then how could he have not sinned and therefore able to die for the sins of the world?

i agree with the asian kid.

and you know what im not going to argue about my Bible. you choose to believe what you believe.

as will i.

i would rather just know why it's sooo bad to be different than all of yall.

and we dont use hardcore to "recruit". we go to CHRISTIAN hardcore bands. its screaming and head banging but with a more positive message.

God is life. so is sxe. why can't they co-exsist.???

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Originally Posted by xmegx

i agree with the asian kid.

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then maybe you can answer the questions I asked him too.

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and you know what im not going to argue about my Bible. you choose to believe what you believe.

as will i.

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So you have no intention of actually looking at yourself and your religion and understanding how some of your beliefs contradict with some of your other beliefs?

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i would rather just know why it's sooo bad to be different than all of yall.

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Did you even read what was said? Do you even understand that argument that's been made as to why you can't christian and edge?

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and we dont use hardcore to "recruit". we go to CHRISTIAN hardcore bands. its screaming and head banging but with a more positive message.

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so you don't hand out flyers to the shows, don't advertise them? Don't try and get people to listen to them because of their awesome message?

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God is life. so is sxe. why can't they co-exsist.???

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because your god likes to drink wine and sxe thinks your god is wrong.

ok i would like to say that in Bible times

wine was not always alcoholic

it was also grapejuice-like

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Originally Posted by XbassmanX

ok i would like to say that in Bible times

wine was not always alcoholic

it was also grapejuice-like

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yeah, that's actually a lie that some churches came up with relatively recently.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Con...114796842.html

"It is clear that both the Old and New Testaments are clear and consistent in their condemnation of drunkenness. However, some Christians today argue that whenever "wine" was used by Jesus or praised as a gift of God, it was really grape juice; only when it caused drunkenness was it wine. Thus, they interpret the Bible as asserting that grape juice is good and that drinking it is acceptable to God but that wine is bad and that drinking it is unacceptable. This reasoning appears to be incorrect for at least two reasons. First, neither the Hebrew nor Biblical Greek word for wine can be translated or interpreted as referring to grape juice. Secondly, grape juice would quickly ferment into wine in the warm climate of the Mediterranean region without refrigeration or modern methods of preservation (Royce, 1986, pp. 55-56; Raymond, 1927, pp. 18-22; Hewitt, 1980, pp. 11-12)."

okay... i'm new here... so i'm still getting used to things... but i don't see how the fact that Jesus drank wine 2000 years ago has any impact whatsoever on modern society... i mean, seriously, if we're supposed to be accepting of other people, why can't you be Christian and sXe... so... excuse my ignorance... but could someone please explain that to me?

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Originally Posted by iamnotaturtle

okay... i'm new here... so i'm still getting used to things... but i don't see how the fact that Jesus drank wine 2000 years ago has any impact whatsoever on modern society... i mean, seriously, if we're supposed to be accepting of other people, why can't you be Christian and sXe... so... excuse my ignorance... but could someone please explain that to me?

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me too


and i didnt say all wine back then was grapejuice


and besides how would you know if it wasnt?

I don't see why christians want to be a part of a movement in which the majority of people involved are anti christian.

and i dont see why people in the straightedge scene cry for unity but wont accept other peoples beliefs

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Originally Posted by XbassmanX

and i dont see why people in the straightedge scene cry for unity but wont accept other peoples beliefs

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1. Hardcore has never been very accepting of Christians.

2. Any serious christian I have met that attends church on sunday partakes in the consumption of alcohol (wine the blood of christ) and that ceremony is deeply rooted in the bible and christian beliefs.

3. Why would you be half assed about something you say you so strongly believe in, something that is written in the bible as an essential part of your faith to god and remembering jesus ("take eat, take drink and do this in remembrance of me") should not be ignored right?

4. And this ritual it clearly states he gave them wine and it has been practiced that way for hundreds of years now, how are you remembering Jesus/God if you do not partake in this?

5. Do you even read the bible and understand your religion? Why is it ok to ignore some parts you don't agree with or customize it to your wants and needs, is a straight edge lifestyle worth more than being true to your spiritual beliefs?

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Originally Posted by iamnotaturtle

okay... i'm new here... so i'm still getting used to things... but i don't see how the fact that Jesus drank wine 2000 years ago has any impact whatsoever on modern society... i mean, seriously, if we're supposed to be accepting of other people, why can't you be Christian and sXe... so... excuse my ignorance... but could someone please explain that to me?

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then can't the same be said for everything else Jesus did? Also, please read the thread and not just the title to understand why people are saying people can't be christian and edge and why the beliefs conflict.

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Originally Posted by XbassmanX

me too


and i didnt say all wine back then was grapejuice


and besides how would you know if it wasnt?

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because in some cases, specifically the wedding at cana and passover, it couldn't have been grape juice? Why would it be? There isn't a historical or cultural reason to believe that jesus didn't drink alcohol.

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Originally Posted by PROPER JERK

1. Hardcore has never been very accepting of Christians.

2. Any serious christian I have met that attends church on sunday partakes in the consumption of alcohol (wine the blood of christ) and that ceremony is deeply rooted in the bible and christian beliefs.

we use grape juice you idiot. we can't give 11 year olds alcohol. the modern church is against alcohol. i think the catholic church still uses wine, but thats the CATHOLIC church. not everyone.

3. Why would you be half assed about something you say you so strongly believe in, something that is written in the bible as an essential part of your faith to god and remembering jesus ("take eat, take drink and do this in remembrance of me") should not be ignored right?

becuase i put my faith into 20th century life.

4. And this ritual it clearly states he gave them wine and it has been practiced that way for hundreds of years now, how are you remembering Jesus/God if you do not partake in this?

its the idea and symbolism of it all, not the actual wine.

5. Do you even read the bible and understand your religion? Why is it ok to ignore some parts you don't agree with or customize it to your wants and needs, is a straight edge lifestyle worth more than being true to your spiritual beliefs?

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they are both VERY important to me. i can be both. they go along with each other