Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

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Originally Posted by collin

but wine was necessary for the marriage, according to Jewish law. the wedding wouldn't be considered legal without wine to bring the two parties together. the hebrews were very ritualistic and specific when it came to marriage, and other social aspects. Ephesians 5:18- Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

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except that the people were already drunk when jesus turned it into wine.

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Originally Posted by collin

1. Jesus drank wine because it was the only drink available, as the water was scarce and polluted.
2. Jesus didn't drink to get drunk.
3. Everyone drank wine-there was no other option.

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john the baptist didn't and jesus makes a point of this in the scripture. this statement is categorically and completely wrong.

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Originally Posted by xCAMIx

The kid's right. I'm gonna say I agree with him and leave it there. I've heard these facts. And Jesus actually only distributed the wine.

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which even if he did, jesus would have found no fault in the consumption of alcohol, something you do, so you're still back to the basic problem of saying that jesus was wrong about something.

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Originally Posted by pittstonjoma

Just thought I'd mention.. Jesus had a love interest.. It was mentioned in texts related to the Bible but not part of it.. like The Gospel Of Thomas.

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trying to bring the gnostic gospels into something with kids who can't even read and understand that agreed upon bible is futile.

This has to be the stupidest argument ever. Of course you can be straight edge and still be christian. the point of being straight edge is not to pollute your body, not to put yourself on a pedestal thinking you are better than everybody else for not drinking and putting in imaginary guidelines. Grow up.

Don't drink, Don't smoke, Don't fuck. Nowhere does it say "Don't follow religion" or hate everybody who drinks. Quiting acting so "holy" pardon the pun. Get off your pedestal. Just because somebody has different opinions than you doesnt mean they arent edge.

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

This has to be the stupidest argument ever. Of course you can be straight edge and still be christian. the point of being straight edge is not to pollute your body, not to put yourself on a pedestal thinking you are better than everybody else for not drinking and putting in imaginary guidelines. Grow up.

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ok. so how can you be both when you just said that jesus polluted his body, but jesus is god, and perfect, so how is that possible? For once could one you actually address the arguement that's being brought up and actually making a point for a change rather than making some sort of bullshit statement that doesn't say anything other than "huh, of course you can be both, but I won't explain to you the how's or why's or even address the really glaring issues surrounding it"

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

Don't drink, Don't smoke, Don't fuck. Nowhere does it say "Don't follow religion" or hate everybody who drinks. Quiting acting so "holy" pardon the pun. Get off your pedestal. Just because somebody has different opinions than you doesnt mean they arent edge.

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could you please get off your pedestal and actually read what people have written regarding WHY you can't be christian and edge?

so logically you are saying that I cant be friends with somebody who is not edge because then im supporting drinking?

So here is where I stand. I am not christian, I do not know anything about the bible or Jesus. My problem are the guidelines that are invented to make Straight Edge an exclusive thing. if it makes you feel good telling people that their beleifs are stupid and that they cant be a part of your club, then hey, whatever floats your boat. If it helps you sleep at night feeling superior to others, then go right ahead.

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

So here is where I stand. I am not christian, I do not know anything about the bible or Jesus. My problem are the guidelines that are invented to make Straight Edge an exclusive thing. if it makes you feel good telling people that their beleifs are stupid and that they cant be a part of your club, then hey, whatever floats your boat. If it helps you sleep at night feeling superior to others, then go right ahead.

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nobodys claiming to be superior to anybody

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

so logically you are saying that I cant be friends with somebody who is not edge because then im supporting drinking?

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no. he is saying that if you dont support drinking, you are also saying that Jesus was wrong

in order to be a devout christian you have to beleive that Jesus is Salvation. You dont have to beleive that Jesus was perfect

My father is my role model. He drinks, does that mean i cannot be edge?

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

in order to be a devout christian you have to beleive that Jesus is Salvation. You dont have to beleive that Jesus was perfect

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jesus being the son of god and part of the holy trinity (wich means he was part of god) cant be wrong... because god is perfect.

if you think jesus was wrong you are saying that god is wrong
and if you believe that god is wrong, you are not christian