Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

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03-15-2006, 10:27 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by XshiXnyX

So what if we dont believe that jesus was god, or that jesus is perfect?

then you're not a christian?
03-15-2006, 10:28 PM
atXdawnXweXburn

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Originally Posted by XBILLYX

dont you get it. the whine meant nothing to him. it was a symbol of his blood! being that it was whine wasnt the point. it could have been anything.

the entire point is that jesus drank wine, and made it readily available to others. at the last supper he even passed it around and ENCOURAGED the drinking of it ("drink this in rememberence of me")

therefore the religion and sXe are at a flawed compatability. apparently you're the one who doesnt get it.
03-15-2006, 10:30 PM
XBILLYX

yea he doesnt with people drinking it. its this modern time when its become a hobby to see how cool you are. i hate drinking i hate what it does to you i hate all of it but do you think if it wasnt this way we would still think the same way? do you think if people drank it like he did we would have a problem? what we have become is because of the way the devil has used it to destroy people not because god drank it.
03-15-2006, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by XBILLYX

yea he doesnt with people drinking it. its this modern time when its become a hobby to see how cool you are. i hate drinking i hate what it does to you i hate all of it but do you think if it wasnt this way we would still think the same way? do you think if people drank it like he did we would have a problem? what we have become is because of the way the devil has used it to destroy people not because god drank it.

this is a bullshit argument though. drunkness didn't just happen. It's been a problem since the beginning of time. Hinduism and Buddhism, which predate christianity are both very clear that any consumption of alcohol get in the way. Judaism and Christianty aren't this way. Jesus drank alcohol because he was a jew and had no problem with it. You're still back to the same point in thinking something Jesus did was wrong, and that you're right. Jesus is either right for his time or right for all time. You can't have it both ways. And you still haven't answered what else jesus and god have been wrong about.
03-15-2006, 10:36 PM
atXdawnXweXburn

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Originally Posted by xsecx

this is a bullshit argument though. drunkness didn't just happen. It's been a problem since the beginning of time. Hinduism and Buddhism, which predate christianity are both very clear that any consumption of alcohol get in the way. Judaism and Christianty aren't this way. Jesus drank alcohol because he was a jew and had no problem with it. You're still back to the same point in thinking something Jesus did was wrong, and that you're right. Jesus is either right for his time or right for all time. You can't have it both ways. And you still haven't answered what else jesus and god have been wrong about.

you're completely right

even noah was a winemaker, and a BIBLE DOCUMENTED alcoholic
03-15-2006, 10:38 PM
XBILLYX

i say nothing. but the devil has used it forever against god. dont you see they used it yes but didnt abuse it. they dint kill themselves with it. did they? why was sXe started? because kids hated how people destroyed themselves with it not because they didnt agree with god.
03-15-2006, 10:39 PM
XshiXnyX

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Originally Posted by xsecx

then you're not a christian?

oh, guess im not. hmm, alwasy though I at least kind of wa.

Learn new things everyday =P
03-15-2006, 10:40 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by atXdawnXweXburn

you're completely right

even noah was a winemaker, and a BIBLE DOCUMENTED alcoholic

the old testament is full of some fucked up shit. lot's daughters getting him drunk and essentially raping him.
03-15-2006, 10:42 PM
atXdawnXweXburn

people turning to salt. a benevolent god flooding the earth. incest (adam and eve. come on now. if they were the only 2 made, how did six billion+ people come about?)

isnt incest supposed to be a sin?
03-15-2006, 10:42 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by XBILLYX

i say nothing. but the devil has used it forever against god. dont you see they used it yes but didnt abuse it. they dint kill themselves with it. did they? why was sXe started? because kids hated how people destroyed themselves with it not because they didnt agree with god.

right then your issue should be with the abuse of alcohol, not the consumption of it. then your beliefs wouldn't contradict. And the kids who started straight edge very much didn't agree with god.
03-16-2006, 03:01 AM
stepinsideissue

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Originally Posted by atXdawnXweXburn

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...termission.jpg

let's all just take a break, eat some s'mores, and sing a nice song...

im singin in the rain
just singin in the rain
what a glorious feelin
i'm happy again

That was not very hXc.
03-16-2006, 02:37 PM
XBILLYX

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Originally Posted by xsecx

right then your issue should be with the abuse of alcohol, not the consumption of it. then your beliefs wouldn't contradict. And the kids who started straight edge very much didn't agree with god.

and the differce is?
03-16-2006, 02:40 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by XBILLYX

and the differce is?

being straight edge means being against any level of consumption of alcoholic beverages.
03-16-2006, 02:42 PM
XBILLYX

yep. and iam.
03-16-2006, 02:43 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by XBILLYX

yep. and iam.

so you think jesus was wrong for drinking wine and providing wine to others.

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