Contradicted how? There is a difference between forcing views and allowing people to smear or ruin a reputation or take this as a big old joke.
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Contradicted how? There is a difference between forcing views and allowing people to smear or ruin a reputation or take this as a big old joke.
if you're not forcing your views, what are you doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
Im not forcing anyone to be SE or take my point of view no,( I actually discourage it most of the time, to keep half asses and posers away) but when you take my point of view and make a mockery out of it then I am obligated to do something. This is loyalty I am true to SE.
And you're forcing your viewpoint on someone else. You keep making contradictory statements. Either it's their business or it's yours. If it's yours, why is it yours? I personally think that attitudes like yours do way more damage to straight edge than second rounders and sellouts. It reinforces negative stereotypes and leads people to believe that straight edge is a violent/militant thing, and it really isn't. What do you actually gain in this scenario? What actually changes? Do you even think there are any negative repercussions for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
Where have I said any any post that I am forcing views on anyone? I have said I actually discourage it most of the time. I am not militant by any means. I do not beat up random Joe for smoking or not being SE. The only time I have a problem is when people jump on the SE band wagon or cause it is cool this school year or what have you. The only times I have been in fights for being SE is when it was started by others because I was SE and they did not like that.
Im all for soberity and getting the pure message out there and trust me I do, ie online work, pettions, rally work stuff like that, even simple stuff as wearing SE clothes to brodcast the message and people ask me all the time about them and my tattoos and what it all means. But I am not violent by any means. I do not tarnish the SE message or reputation.
"allowing people to smear or ruin a reputation or take this as a big old joke."Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
The only way to stop people from doing that is by forcing your views on them. Why would you actively discourage someone from trying to live sober? I mean, can't you see that what you're talking about is a losing battle? I've know people over the years that were really deeply committed to straight edge. And then something happened in their life and it wasn't who/what they were about anymore. There's no way to know ahead of time who will or won't sellout. There's no way of knowing that you or I tomorrow won't have something change in our life that makes living sober not make sense. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't be encouraged to be straight edge and make the most of out their time with it. Some will stick with it for life, but most won't. That's just a fact of life.
then I guess I'm kind confused why you said this "Allthough I do not think I would have the same self control to not beat up a fellow SE that sold out."Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
Not letting people ruin a reputation is not just fighting and being violent, but debate or disscusion which I do alot. And I agree definatley that we should encourage soberity. I encourage soberity everyday just ask all my soldiers I give them all kinds of facts on the health risks ok smoking and the stats on drinking. They hate me most of the time. And I encourage those who are serious about being SE and being that way for life. And yes we never know what might happen tommorow. But I know in my heart of hearts I will be SE for life.
What I was saying is that I am not sure how situations arise and depending on how it all went down a fight might ensue. But alot of the time it doesnt. I had a good friend of mine bring all of us (SE crew) together and sit us down and told us he drank and said he was sorry and he wasnt going to be SE anymore and we all respected him for that. But he knew it was his time to leave and he did. Like you said earlier you do not know what life throws at you and sometimes a fight ensues but alot of the time it doesnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
So what is actually wrong if in a few years he sits all of you down again and says that he was sorry, that he made a mistake and that straight edge is really who he is and how he wants to live is life. What is the actual harm in that? If dude is sincere, what is the problem with him being second round? What does it hurt and what does it diminish?Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
Hes not welcome back. He can live a sober life and I will support him however he is not SE anymore. Many people live sober lives and are not SE. He will be one of those.
i have one simple question sense you want to dissect everyone else's views on a simple subject. and its not to be looked in to more than it is. its a simple yes/no question.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
once you claimed straight edge, have you ever smoked or drank or broken edge in anyway shape or form?
i think you are taking defense in this subject do to the fact that you your self have broken your word at one point. thats the only reason that you would sit here and try to tare apart someone else views. i just dont understand. i know that this is a subject that is close to every one sence every one here at one point or another made a pact with themselves about the sobriety of their life.
Are you a second chancer, is this why this hits so close to home?
nope. I've been straight edge, without break since I was a kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by x_dannyb_X
ok, why? if he chooses to call himself straight edge again, what harm is actually done?Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
No harm, but it shows thats its ok to sellout and go drink or do whatever then you can come back and everything is ok. Like I said before its not a church you cant come and go and do what you please and then ask for forgivness and all is well in the SE land. Its the point that selling out will not be tolerated.
yeah, you've said that, but you haven't explained why. I'm not talking about some kid who drinks on the weekend and calls himself straight edge during the week. I'm talking about someone who was edge as a kid, sold out when they hit college and then realized that it wasn't for them and that straight edge was. Can you seriously explain to me, why that person isn't straight edge?Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
ok then you have devoted your life to living straight. you have absolutely no feelings when someone else makes a mockery of your chosen life style. its only natural to become offended by such things. you put your heart and sole in to a way of life and then someone else makes it into a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
what are your feelings toward people who treat your chosen life style as a joke?
I don't see how it's a mockery or a joke, any more than I see other people getting divorced a mockery or a joke of my marriage. I don't see how/why I should care about it the way you two do.Quote:
Originally Posted by x_dannyb_X
He doesn't care. People come and go, SE one day then life happens and then they are not and when the realize they are fuck ups and want to be sober.....guess what? WELCOME BACK with a hug. No harm no foul.
hitting the quote button is useful so we know who you're talking to.Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
Maybe you should be the sober guy not the SE guy, maybe an AA sponsor or something postive like that. We maintain the scene we keep it what it was and should always be. Straight Edge, True Till Death. Not Straight Edge, True till life happens, then Back to Straight Edge then True till life happens.....well you get the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
im just trying to understand why you feel the way you do. so far it seems you dont care about anything, which i know is not true. so im trying to understand why you became straight edge in the first place? what do you do in your community to influence others? do you support your community? by the way, dont get mad. im just asking you questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
I am talking about you.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
yeah, except that what you're saying isn't really reflected in the population.Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
good, then you can explain to me what harm is actually caused then.Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
Noone is mad, In SE there are all verying different levels of dedication, I just like to debate and see what other SEers are all about. We are all just on different sides of the SE spectrum of living. Some keep it simple with no drinking, no smoking, no drugs. Others go no caffiene, vegans, no RX meds no crazy sexcapades. So on so forth. We are all at different levels we are a little more involved and dedicated than he.Quote:
Originally Posted by x_dannyb_X
because through the 20 or so years I've been straight edge, I've known an awful lot of people who claimed when they were too young to have any clue about who they were, what they believed or what they were about just to sell out when they get older. I've also known a good percentage of those same people get older and realize that being straight edge is important to them and something they want to be. I don't really understand how you think that me not agreeing with you somehow equates to me not caring. I think that your viewpoint is contradictory, unrealistic and doesn't really reflect the reality in the scene. And dude, you do realize this is my website right?Quote:
Originally Posted by x_dannyb_X
It hurts the scene, it hurts the crews, it hurts the message, it hurts me. It sends the wrong message that its ok to break edge and come back, and its not. This is a life long commitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
again with the rhetoric. HOW does it hurt you? How does it hurt the message?Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
If you get divorced, are you never going to marry again?
Well I am not going to get divorced so that is not in any equation. I told my wife I will love her till death do us part. And by God thats what the hell I meant. And I know what you will say next.... well you never know what life will bring. I do, a long happy life with my wife and kids. And it hurts the scene because it sends the message that SE is a joke. Not a serious group of people dedicated to living there lives way outside the norm of the everyday dude. It hurts me because it mocks what I have dedicated my life too.
ok calm down mr. this is my website, we all have jobs. now im just asking questions about you and your views. thats all.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
and if im too loyal and being straight edge is what i hold dear to my heart is wrong and thats not what the sene is about, then i dont want to be apart of your sene. because i know its what its about else where.
now on to you mr. dusty, i dont think you even know what the sene is anymore. i think you are too afraid that you are not in an active roll in the sene anymore. other than running a website out of your basement at the age of 30 something.
You didn't answer the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
How does people who are involved in it, at any given point in time, that are completely and totally sincere about their life, make a joke of it? How does that mock anything? I guess I don't see why you care so much about how other people are living their lives, especially people who made the decision to live sober.
Your right I dont care how others live there life! But SE is my life and they wont ruin it!
the first real way to tell if someone is upset is usually really bad typos. The second way is when they take what was a civil conversation and start lobbing insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by x_dannyb_X
Well man I tell you what this site is a joke, your a joke, your views as to what SE are is a joke. And please as this is "your" site delete my profile I do not want to be a part of this bullshit website that you shamefully call "straight edge". Take a good long look at what SE is and what it means to you, becasue you arent SE you are some dude who loves everyone and just happens to be sober. Life just happened.
awesome, good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by xplan_Bx
i agree. i thought this was an awesome site where you could discuss different views of SE but that was until the owner, mr. dusty came in to the picture. i think this web site is bull shit and the admin has nothing else to do other than critic other peoples views and gets up set when you ask about his. and this is not the first time. the entire time i was on this web site i saw him harass over and over again. and i know you are reading this, i think that you dont even understand what it means to be SE. i think that you are confused and you shut down if someone asks you about this. NOW, i will not be apart of this mockery any longer. i would like to have my account removed and not contacted again any further.
awesome, good luck to you too!Quote:
Originally Posted by x_dannyb_X