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Originally Posted by xWiglex
yeah i know what you mean...my names smoggy and im a craftaholic!!
but yeah i think everyone has things which they struggle with, some have bigger vices and addictions they need to conquer and others smaller things. Its just having that wilpower to stop and stay stopped and live poison free
Im just going to quote the bible real quick if you know what i mean.
I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around and fuck my head
Hang out with the living dead
Snort white shit up my nose
Pass out at the shows
I don't even think about speed
That's something I just don't need
I've got the straight edge
I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around and smoke dope
'Cause I know I can cope
Laugh at the thought of eating ludes
Laugh at the thought of sniffing glue
Always gonna keep in touch
Never want to use a crutch
I've got the straight edge
I've got the straight edge
I've got the straight edge
I've got the straight edge
How in the hell is sitting in front of a computer screen all day playing world of war craft straight edge your a fucking addict, ive got better things to do than sit around and fuck my head, always gonna keep in touch, never want to use a crutch.
cigarettes, world of war craft, alcohol, heroin, marijuana, porn, caffeine, etc. these are all crutches these all fuck your head, true some are much more extreme than others but regardless its not straight edge. maybe you say straight edge in your head everyday when you walk by the apartment complex you used to buy smack from and thats the only thing that keeps you sober, well i say, fuck yeah dude. good for you, stay clean. but cigarettes aren't a substitute, nothing is a substitute. Your just using a different crutch.
Or is there something that i am missing?
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Originally Posted by jesusXwas
Yes there is something you are missing...its called context. The lyrics you put in bold aren't seperate from the rest of the songs subject matter...which is incidently just a song not a bible. They are lines that are written with regards to recreational drug use. Straightedge is an anti drugs stance not an anti video games stance. Video games don't fuck with your mind like drugs do, they are a hobbie and past time for most for others they become a passion and something thats a big and possibly positive part of their lives.
For me video games are a simple distraction like films, tv, books and even music...i think you will really struggle to fit a computer game in as something that edge is against but if you care to make a comprehensive case for that i'm sure we can highlight the reasons why its a bit of a daft idea.
Considering that the 'Straight Edge' lifestyle is based completely off the lyrics to Straight Edge by Minor Threat. Yes it very much so a Bible, or Quaran, it is the text in which created and governs a lifestyle/belief system.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightXed
I put those parts in bold to show that the song isn't specifically just talking about drugs.
...and for others video games become much more than a passion. im not talking just recreational use. there are 12 step programs for people who have lost there lives to world of warcraft. my brother and father are some of those people. Video games are very much a drug. They activate the same areas of the brain that a lot of drugs do, and they can very much make someone lose touch of the real world.
and if its ok to play these addictive games recreationaly and be straight edge than what about someone who drinks every once and a while or smokes pot occasionally.
your not fucking your head by using alcohol if you just do it every once and a while nor is it a crutch. so how is that any less straight edge than playing video games every once and a while. or every day.
and for you to say that sitting in front of a tv playing video games can be a possitive part of someones life thats just ridiculous. How can wasting time rotting your brain be positive. why not read a book or learn how to fly fish. or play an instrument?
not really dude. the people involved do that. you're giving minor threat too much credit and completely ignoring the contributions made later. minor threat gave it a name, the people that came later turned into a lifestyle/movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by jesusXwas
It really isn't, you are in danger of giving one song way to much credit and forgeting that hardcore is a community where ideas are shared via the music, one song does not govern it by any means.Quote:
Originally Posted by jesusXwas
But they are about drugs you are just taking them out of context, but even if they were pertaining to something else it still doesn't mean anything solid. Thats one guy writing a song, and sharing his perspective. The straightedge movement has a clear stance against drugs, thats accepted by all involved. When you start adding everyones personal bug bears then it loses meaning and won't be definitive of any particular action. Other guys in hardcore have sang about things they see as negative and its all good it makes people think about stuff. Some declare veganism and they personally bundle it in with straightedge but it doesn't make it so, some will simply sing about having to tidy their room. What makes straightedge, straightedge is the way the entire scene adopts it, no even if ian was talking about video games then the scene hasn't ran with that, you can go to any show and ask the straightedge hardcore kids if them being edge means they are against video games and you will recieve a resounding NO!Quote:
Originally Posted by jesusXwas
They do 12 step programs for anything nowadays, and my personal opinion is its a really wanky way to deal with things anyway and essentially leaves you somewhat devoid of power and true understanding. But it would be interesting to see this farce, please provide some source info.Quote:
Originally Posted by jesusXwas
But alas, video games are not a drug, they do not have the chemical make up of a drug, they are not scientifically considered a drug. Now if you said drug like you might scrape that through but calling video games drugs is just nonsense. Lots of things activate the same areas of the brain drugs do, i do many things on a daily basis that activate areas of my brain that drugs can also activate...that is simply no reason to swear off it or consider it a drug.
And finally if the above isn't enough, you would become unstuck giving me a definitive line between using a video game recreationally and otherwise. Give it a go if you like.
What about them, they would be using a drug recreationally. Recreational drug use is not straightedge. Video games arent drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by jesusXwas
No, you are absoloutely right, you aren't fucking your head by drinking occasionally and way back in the begining straightedge mirrored that but this gets us back to exactly why that one song is not a bible or governing force. Over the years the scene changed and came to be outright against all recreational use, that has been adopted and stuck and thats where we are now. But i fail to see what you are trying to argue here, are you saying that if i have a game of fifa 09 once in a while or enjoy a blast on the wii then its somehow comparable to drinking a beer? Maybe in your mind but its really nothing to do with straightedge and i would hasten to add the two really are not comparable as one is a drug and one isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by jesusXwas
Some guys make a living from playing video games, some people played on video games and enjoyed the medium so much it inspired them to get jobs in the field, programming, desingning, testing or even retail. For a lot it becomes something they enjoy and this makes it easier for them to learn about and become genuinely knowledgable about and they can utilise that if they choose to. For some its a more accesable form of escape, books don't do it for them, it can be relaxing and even create a social circle which is good. I fail to see how fly fishing is any more positive? You seem to have an issue in the way peoples passion manifests in video games which puzzles me, i know a lad who skates, he gets lost in that world sometime, he can't talk about anything else. Another lad i know is the same with guitars, spent months not seeing him, he would just sit in his room learning guitar, he's shit hot now. You could make an argument for cost and value of these things, like the cost (time put in) of spending your life engrossed in video games to the worth (actual return) is probably not the greatest ratio but thats not what you are arguing. If you are or decide to, i would suggest looking and the true worth of other distractions such movies, swimming, trainspotting, pets, regular roleplay games, reading books on fly fishing by J.R.Hartley.Quote:
Originally Posted by jesusXwas
fuck! i had no idea i broke edge when i played zelda at my friends house! i have been living a lie!
Chino, not to be an asshole but when you claim edge and smoke cigarettes it makes everybody on here look terrible for what we believe in.
Seriously dude.
You support courage crew, and you are afraid of somebody making straight edgers look bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by x JAMES x
I also have a cig here and there. I don't like to smoke but it helps my throat when I sing.I am not, I repeat NOT addicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by chino
ooooooooooooooo, burn sizzle sizzle get the ointment!Quote:
Originally Posted by mouseman004
I think if chino claiming edge to keep him focussed on staying away from other addictions and helping him focus on quitting the cigarettes then let it be. He doesnt tell everyone that he smokes the odd cigarette now and then so then it doesnt reflect on the scene as n one knows.
As for the rest of this discussion, I dont see how you can compare a computer games to drugs. Yeah i have spent hours playing them but that does not put me into a situation where i have little control of myself and hurt myself both physically and mentally. There is little of no comparasson to playing a game for fun and poisoning myself
then I don't really see how you can claim you're drug free. I also don't understand how you used to be militant if you smoke?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wicked Brown
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Originally Posted by xsecx
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Originally Posted by xsecx
My brain is about to explode, kid claims edge and smokes, what the fuck is going on these days.