How does DARE cause kids to experiment with drugs?Quote:
Originally Posted by NorskVegan
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How does DARE cause kids to experiment with drugs?Quote:
Originally Posted by NorskVegan
It may sound cliché, but it's essentially a matter of reverse psychology. I'm just talking about the 8th grade level DARE, though.
that's not a very convincing argument. what specifically about the program makes you think it's causing people to experiment with drugs?Quote:
Originally Posted by NorskVegan
By that logic you are encouraging people to eat meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorskVegan
You guys have to remember, I'm still in high school, so I remember what it's like to be in 8th grade. A lot of kids in 8th grade (when DARE taught in my town) are constantly rebelling against everything, and when some square-as-hell cop tells them they shouldn't do drugs, they're like, "Well, fuck you!" and that opens the door for them. I wouldn't be surprised if some kid was like, "Blake [my name] you're an asshole, and I hate you, so I'm gonna eat more meat." In that sense, yes, some people might be encouraged to eat meat by me. But I'm more likely to stay away from drugs because of people I respect informing me about them, not some bullshit government institution trying to scare me away from them, and I would hope people who see my positive qualities will take an interest in veganism.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
You guys always make me defend my beliefs...I respect that...but it's tiring!
do you honestly believe that DARE had any effect one way or the other on whether or not those kids were going to do drugs? You make it sound like these kids were completely sheltered from the world and their first introduction to it was through DARE, which is complete bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorskVegan
Thats a really screwed up notion. I live in a town where a lot of addicts are sent to be put on rehabilitation programs, would you suggest those programs are perpetuating drug use? even encouraging it? At my school we had drug education programs and none of them are the cause of making people take drugs, people took drugs anyway and these were a way to educate on the dangers of that. The fact that kids are rebelling isn't down to dare giving them something to rebel against, kids already have that, and it consists of pretty much everything, its a case of kids doing these rebelious things which then makes there a legitimate need for anti drug programs. And sure its hard to make them work but it educates some and they will gain from it, others continue to fuck up and learn from more severe lessons, some never learn and are dead set against reforming until they are unable to reform. Putting education in place on all matters not just drugs is a positive thing, unfortunately its often not enough, but to suggest its the root cause of these problems is ridiculous. DARE is not what makes kids take this route, the point is to educate the individual not to use ones own health as a tool for rebelion, it is about learning respect for yourself and from that you can build respect for other people and even rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorskVegan
yeah i get pissed with those kinds of peeps..alot..theres this guy in my school who claims to be edge, but all he knows is writing X'es on his hands..its makes my blood boil. plus he shows off that he's in this band and all but his band doesn't even play hardcore..its pretty big bullshit..yeah.
I don't like those poser kids at all
When being edge makes them look good they are all for it, as soon as people don't show any interest they drop it
Besides this, they couldn't tell you the first thing about hardcore or straight edge itself, idiots
I try not to let it get to me. If people have misinformed views, I do what I can to fill them in on the truth as I know it. It's the same thing with emo. It's used so slanderously these days that it seems impossible to inform the public on its hardcore roots. For example, over the summer when I was driving some of my brother's buddies around, a Goldfinger song came up about a breakup. One of them said, "This song is so emo," to which I gave them a little lecture. So when I see a kid claiming edge who cups his ears at the sound of hardcore music, I just kindly explain to him or her that there's more to it than just being drug-free. Most of them are scared away by the realization of what a concert is like.
Speaking of which, what concerts are there in the DC area from mid-December to mid-January?
I totally agree. There was a girl at my college who found out I was straight edge and started saying to me 'oh I really respect you for it, I'm going to be straight edge too!' The next thing I know she's completely drunk out of her head at the next party I see her at.
I hate it when people think you have to do something in order to be something.
I don't go to shows, because I don't like people.
I don't really listen to Hardcore... because I just don't.
and to be totally honest, I don't think I've listened to any Minor Threat song all the way through.
Now does that make the last 4 years of my life a lie? because I don't listen to the right thing or go to the right show?
True, there are people out there who claim it and have no idea what they're talking about. and those people need to learn something.
But just because somebody doesn't fit your archetype example of what a sXe person should be, doesn't mean they're any less sXe than you.
so you hate it when people think definitions exist and that for something to be something it has to fit the characteristics? How are you not one of those people? How are you straight edge and not just drug free?Quote:
Originally Posted by RED
BEcause I know the history of sXe, I know what it means and what I represent. And I'm not doing it to look cool or be be different. I do it because its how I want to live my life. And the fact that I don't listen to much Hardcore, mostly because I'm just not into it, should affect my sXe credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
And if there its supposed to be a set line of how to look, what to listen to, ect, to be Straight Edge, a whole lot of people would be Drug Free instead of sXe.
How are you representing it if you're not taking part in what actually makes straight edge unique and different from being drug free? Knowing the history is great but how does it relate to something that's an active and real subculture that you're not participating in? What are you doing to be straight edge? What makes straight edge unique from every other drug free lifestyle/group?Quote:
Originally Posted by RED
And yes, that's the point, there are a whole lot of people who are Drug Free instead of straight edge. Straight edge isn't a catchall and isn't for everyone.