Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

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Originally Posted by collin

i'm not whining because you guys are stating your opinions,

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Then you have no problem with me saying jesus is a twatty twat and never existed.

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Originally Posted by collin

but there are ways to say it without insulting the other person and his beliefs.

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Well like i said, your beliefs of christ offend me, i deal with it. You call what i believe vulgar and go on to say christ is perfect i think its all shit myself and i think the idea of it is vulgar. So how are you going to address how your beliefs make me feel? I'm guessing you won't do anything seeing as you have stated you won't change your beliefs (which kinda leaves the idea of discussing anything with you rather futile as you aren't open to other ideas and have set yourself a closed off path from the begining) so why on earth should i change my beliefs and my right to express those beliefs just because you are a "christian" - bollocks to that, learn to deal with opposing beliefs rather than thinking yours are the only beliefs that matter.

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Originally Posted by collin

because telling people that they're going to hell makes a christian seem to be kind of egotistical and it's usually not a good way to spread the love of christ....

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I find the love of christ offensive and wrong, especially when people try to say he died for me, thats bollocks, he didn't die for me, its a lie and its offensive, he didn't even exist. Keep the love of christ to yourself please.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

but that doesn't make it any less true to a christian. the reality being if you don't believe what we believe you're going to suffer eternally.

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i know it doesn't make it any less true, but sometimes silence is wise....

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Originally Posted by straightXed

I find the love of christ offensive and wrong, especially when people try to say he died for me, thats bollocks, he didn't die for me, its a lie and its offensive, he didn't even exist. Keep the love of christ to yourself please.

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actually, history says he did exist...there are many records of him... if you don't want me to preach to you fine, i'll respect that.

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Originally Posted by collin

actually, history says he did exist...there are many records of him... if you don't want me to preach to you fine, i'll respect that.

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There never existed a man that could do the things twatty twat did, the man described in the bible never existed. So you aren't going to preach to me, aren't you supposed to be spreading the good news!!? I mean shouldn't you do all you can to save me from going to some ficticious idea of hell?

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Originally Posted by straightXed

There never existed a man that could do the things twatty twat did, the man described in the bible never existed. So you aren't going to preach to me, aren't you supposed to be spreading the good news!!? I mean shouldn't you do all you can to save me from going to some ficticious idea of hell?

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Jesus did exist. If you don't believe he did what I believe he did, that's your opinion and I respect that. Yes I am called to spread the good news, but you've asked me not to, so I'm going to honor your request.

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Originally Posted by collin

actually, history says he did exist...there are many records of him... if you don't want me to preach to you fine, i'll respect that.

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They have limited evidence that some guy existed, who might possibly have been Jesus, and even if he was, they have no evidence that he was anything other than a regular guy who happened to start up a cult.

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Originally Posted by kelly

They have limited evidence that some guy existed, who might possibly have been Jesus, and even if he was, they have no evidence that he was anything other than a regular guy who happened to start up a cult.

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Once again, that's another issue of faith.

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Originally Posted by collin

Once again, that's another issue of faith.

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The concept of "faith" is a blatant tool used for mass manipulation. If you question anything they just tell you you have to have faith, or you will burn in eternal hellfire. And since people don't really want to burn in eternal hellfire, they follow along.

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Originally Posted by kelly

The concept of "faith" is a blatant tool used for mass manipulation. If you question anything they just tell you you have to have faith, or you will burn in eternal hellfire. And since people don't really want to burn in eternal hellfire, they follow along.

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that's true for some people....

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Originally Posted by collin

Jesus did exist. If you don't believe he did what I believe he did, that's your opinion and I respect that. Yes I am called to spread the good news, but you've asked me not to, so I'm going to honor your request.

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Jesus did not exist as the ficticious man depicted in your good book, i can go back and forth with this all day because its my belief. I am now going to ask you not to tell me he exists, lets see if you can honor that request. You aren't spreading much good news here either at the request of a non believer, the news must not be that important.

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Originally Posted by collin

that's true for some people....

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Its true for your whole religion.

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Originally Posted by straightXed

Jesus did not exist as the ficticious man depicted in your good book, i can go back and forth with this all day because its my belief. I am now going to ask you not to tell me he exists, lets see if you can honor that request. You aren't spreading much good news here either at the request of a non believer, the news must not be that important.

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ok, so we won't argue about his existence. you asked me not to preach to you, and i've been complying with your request.

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Originally Posted by collin

that's true for some people....

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A tool for manipulation can't be true for some people. It's either a tool for manipulation, or it's not.

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Originally Posted by collin

Once again, that's another issue of faith.

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Faith isn't proof so he didn't exist.