it wasn't demeaning, calling modern hardcore dancing gay is called offensive to people who think 2-stepping like michael flatley is cool.
but alright. sorry.
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it wasn't demeaning, calling modern hardcore dancing gay is called offensive to people who think 2-stepping like michael flatley is cool.
but alright. sorry.
it was and the homophobic shit isn't tolerated here. you're definitely welcome here, but the homophobic talk isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by xjamesx_GMHC
it is, you're using a word that's been used in a derogatory way towards gay people. and when you use it to describe something negative or that you see as negative, it perpetuates the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by xjamesx_GMHC
alright sorry.
Orite Guys, Im Jacob, Im 18 and Im from Yorkshire in England.
I dont want to sound steriotypical, but lets say I'm not into your type of music. I like Reggae, Folk, Funk, some Rap and Hip-hop, Blues and Jazz. So yeah, lol, I'm not really into the hardcore metal bands.
My favourite at the moment are; Jack Johnson, Bob Dylan, Donavon Frankenreiter, Ben Harper, Bob Marley, Peter Tosh and Gregory Isaacs.
The las record I bought was; Christmas In The Heart - Bob Dylan. Just over a month ago.
I love sing-a-longs.
Sorry, but like I said earlier, I don't really know the hardcore metal scene etc. My music taste might be different, but there are still the same type of themes. Getting high, legalising it, freedom etc. There are some artists in the genres that have songs against drugs and drinking etc. I like the music, but yeah, I class myself as StraightEdge because like everyone else, I don't drink, smoke, do drugs etc.
Well anyway, I'd like to meet some new friends on here and yeah, I'll see how it goes :)
that is why you are not sxe. this is why i have a problem with cm punk and him using sxe as a gimmick. it's taken out of concept. sxe is being drug free AND being involved in the hardcore scene. it's great that you're drug free, but you're definitely not edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by haighy15
You should class yourself as drug free as straightedge is a term inherently linked to hardcore, so essentially you are not accurately describing yourself by that term. Drug free is just as cool though although you miss out on the finger points and pile ons but i'm sure you will live!Quote:
Originally Posted by haighy15
i totally understand what you mean, but my problem is, why does straightedge have to be strickley 'hardcore'? yeah im not into the same music as you, but i have the same morals and looks on life as you. it annoys me, in the UK people regard me as a chav, because of my appearnce, people like me get accisiacted with binge drinking, drug taking and dealing, violence, vandals, rebals and so on. the only thing that seperates us our music taste. we are still the same. i cant see why people who listen to other music cant be classed as straightedge.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightXed
but yeah, i do understand that it is linked to hardcore, but it doesn't necesarilly have to be linked to one thing.
Because to differentiate straightedge from simply being drug free it needs some kind of specific criteria. That criteria just so happens to be the cultural association of hardcore which provides straightedge with its identity in contrast to just being drug free in many ways. By providing a platform to share ideas and concepts about things and providing a unique history which has allowed straightedge and other unique ideas to hardcore grow and move with regards to the combined expressions of the people involved nit has become a vital aspect that if removed leaves you with something that misses so much of what straightedge actually means.Quote:
Originally Posted by haighy15
Heres a better way to look at it, if you have a group of kids that are straightedge and a group of kids that are simply drug free like yourself, what can you essentially gather as likely common ground from that information. Now, we know that people who correctly use the term straightedge (at lets for this example assume the people i am highlighting are doing so) will have a common association with the hardcore music scene, more than that, the straightedge hardcore music scene, and all the dynamics that are associated with that present themselves as things that associate these people. Now all the drug free people like yourself only have the absence of drugs in common and nothing unique to tie your personal beliefs together into some kind of sub culture as you have with straightedge. So while i champion your decision, its just a personal choice to abstain from drugs where as hardcore is something tangable that one can be actively participating in.
If this still doesn't authenticate the difference then i would ask you to ask yourself a question. I would ask you to note down all the things that make you straightedge, omitting the drug abstinance as that is simply described by the term drug free, and have a look at what makes that term descriptive of you and your actions, if you actually come up with any then please share because in all reality you shouldn't find anything that uniquely describes you and thats why the term shouldn't really be used as it tends to take away from the impact of its true meaning and association. Which would get us back to why CM Punk is not exactly doing us here any favours. If you still question why people who don't listen or participate in the hardcore scene cannot be straightedge or why it is linked to hardcore and not other genres then i am explaining myself terribly and i will endevour to rectify that with further posting.
Now obviously this is a welcome thread, and you may not be feeling so welcome at the moment but thats the nature of things, people here are simply ensuring that people who come here get an accurate picture of things. I would like to extend some kind of welcome to you and say stick around, learn about what makes straightedge and hardcore inseperable and enjoy.
Ed says it all a lot better than I can but I've always tried to describe it like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by haighy15
Straight edge is hardcore kids against drugs, the same way SHARPs are Skin heads against racial prejudice. No one would call themselves a Sharp without being a skin head no matter how much they hate racism, same thing with edge if you aren't hardcore, you aren't edge.
hardcore is that thing that makes edge people edge, and the cement for the culture, it's what separates edge from all the recovering alcoholics, people whyo abstain for religious reasons, and people who simply abstain as a personal commitment to themselves.
Non of the people who chose to be drug free and fit any of the above groups for example have any less strength in their commitment, they don't have any less of a struggle especially in countries like the UK (I grew up there so know how hard it is to live drug free in the UK) it just means the label Straight edge doesn't accurately describe them, just the same way as I hate racism, but aren't a Sharp.
It doesn't mean you can't hang out with edge kids as a way to connect with other people who fight every day to live drug free, and feel others would be better off the same way (though the way to do that in real life would be to go to hardcore shows). It just means that you are drug free and proud, it should be the commitment that you take pride in, no matter what words are the best to describe you.
I dunno, i think that said it better than i did!Quote:
Originally Posted by xvunderx
ahh rite ok, thanks for that. now i understand why you guys don't particularly like cm punk and the wrestling world. i know its an important culture to you and you dont want outsiders stepping in and taking the name off of you and trying to make it into something else. i know why you dont like people like me claiming it because to be honest, at first when we claim straightedge, we know nothing about your culture.
actually, i would just like to say, i listen to Crunk music, which is a sub-genre of hip-hop. it originated alongside the concept of crunk, meaning out-of-control crowd action. i actually forgot about this, but crunk has always been regarded as a type of aggressive and hardcore style of music with artists like three 6 mafia, lil jon and the ying yang twins etc.
i know its not exactly like the hardcore music you're into, but it is still a form of hardcore, so technically, that makes me hardcore right? and therefore, i can claim straightedge.
yeah, but when we talk about hardcore we refer to the music and culture that originated from hardcore punk, wich is usually refered as hardcore.Quote:
Originally Posted by haighy15
Alright well i am 18.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
I'm from Michigan right near Lansing, not too far from Detroit.
Shai Hulud, Smash Your Enemies, Die Strong
Of Virtue's newest cd
Well for that it depends on my mood to be honest i enjoy the occasional pile ons and sing alongs, but i also do love the spin kicks and two-steps a lot that is a tough one for me.
Smash Your Enemies, Have Heart, Die Strong, Shai Hulud
Well their you have it (:
No, its not a form of hardcore...hardcore refers to a particular style of music, its not being used here as a term to describe how underground something is. So no, you really still shouldn't claim straightedge.Quote:
Originally Posted by haighy15
1. Diego, 17Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
2. Wisconsin
3. Rise Against, Bad Brains, 3 Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin
4. Appeal To Reason by Rise Against
5. Spin Kicks and Two-Step
I don't know if I can claim sXe honestly, I heard about sXe maybe 2 years ago and did some research on it.
I admire and respect what you stand for and against but I've only recently gotten into the music like Minor Threat, Youth of Today and Have Heart and I listen to Rap, Reggae, Reggaeton and Punk bands like Iggy and The Stooges and Bad Brains.
I have always been drug free except when I've taken medicine when I was sick, even resist my own dad when he asks me to drink with him.
I have no sXe tattoos because I don't want to claim sXe when I may not be considered so.
Maybe I'm too new to claim sXe and if thats the case then I hope I can at least be considered a friend and supporter of sXe.
What kind of rap do you listen too?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Moro
just for your information...medicine doesn't go against straightedge, you don't need tattoos and you are not to new but its very cool that you have chosen to learn about what straightedge is first before claiming to be so. I give credit to you for that and i am sure you will get a decent grasp on it by being here, people here are very helpful. welcome to the boards, hope you have fun.
Thank you, I'm sure I will enjoy it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightXed
I mentioned medicine because I know some Straight Edge people consider things like Asprin and Ny-quil to be drugs.
I listen to Outkast, Jay-Z, Big Pun, Deltron 3030, Blackstar, Run-DMC...I could go on.
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Moro
They are drugs but straightedge is not about denying medicine for illness, thats simply a retarded thing to do. Straightedge is about refraining from drug use for recreation because there is simply no good reason to do that but medication has a very good reason.
Thats good, I heard somewhere (I forget) and didn't understand why.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightXed
So do you listen to Rap?
I like hip hop, yeah!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Moro
Who do you listen to?Quote:
Originally Posted by straightXed
Woohoo! Someone else who is familiar with Blackstar! I had some of my students read their lyrics as part of the poetry section and they made me feel old. "Who's Mos Def?" Ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Moro
never thought that they were unknown... i've even seen the video of definition in tv... and you know, you can always tell them that he was on that hitchhikers guide to the universe movieQuote:
Originally Posted by CarlaRant
I'm Jazmin, 17
From Gilbert, Arizona
Rise Against, Paramore, The Casualties, Anti-Flag, Flyleaf, The Used, My Chemical Romance, Minor Threat, Halocene, 3 Days Grace, 3 Doors Down...
Secret by Halocene
Spin Kicks and Two-Step
Minor Threat, Have Heart, Project X, Youth of Today
They are great, too bad they split up.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlaRant
Definition was the song that got me into them and I listen to Mos Def and Talib Kweli's solo stuff.
hi there!
i´m Dani, from Spain. i´m 21 years old and i love hardcore music. i don´t take drugs, tobacco or alcohol, i hate them.
well, my english is not fine at all, sorry... i´ll the effort to post my ideas on this forum in correct english.
see ya! :D
Your English is pretty good!Quote:
Originally Posted by xdanidormx
Welcome.
where in spain?Quote:
Originally Posted by xdanidormx
i´m from Benidorm, near Valencia.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
Hey!
im Andy Beain
Im kinda new to strait edge, but i like almost ALL of the music
Additionally i like Blues, Classic rock, Prog rock, shredders, thrash, and some goth metal
I would have to agree with straightXed
Found it with the aid of the forum website called Ultimate-Guitar
i like monty python
:DDD
monty python is good timesQuote:
Originally Posted by rushpython
welcome!
hope you have the funs!
I read that wrong and thought you said, "Hope you have the runs!"Quote:
Originally Posted by rodrigo
what do you agree with me about?Quote:
Originally Posted by rushpython
how do i change my sig. and profile picture?
at the top of the screen there's a link that says User CP. You do it through there.Quote:
Originally Posted by rushpython
i cant seem to find avatar OR sig
:(
They don't know about that movie. Sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodrigo
Whoa! Hold up! I'm sorry I completley missed this. Hello Jazmin. I'm in PHX!Quote:
Originally Posted by xJazx
You'll be happy here Andy. I think you're in good company. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rushpython
click edit user profile after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rushpython
What's up guys, my name's Adam, I live in Iowa. I've been not drinking for about 3 yrs now or smoking or doing drugs for my whole life. I used to smoke casually out of boredom with friends but found it to be a waste. I've been claiming edge for a while now, I've always been one of those people who hates to label myself and so that's why I've waited so long to do so, but it feels right. Anway, anything you guys wanna know hit me up.
xPeacex