Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

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03-07-2006, 04:06 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by collin

show me where it's a bs argument.

because john the baptist didn't drink alcohol and jesus did? or on top of that, jesus was god, are you going to tell me he couldn't purify water to drink if he had an issue with wine?
03-07-2006, 04:08 PM
rodrigo

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Originally Posted by kelly

But there is no god.. so how did I get here?

because of the Dusty
03-07-2006, 04:18 PM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by kelly

Have you been reading the thread at all? You can't think jesus is perfect and think drinking booze is wrong. It doesn't jive. The only argument I've seen so far in this thread that makes any kind of sense against dusty's arguments is xbatmanx's argument about the duality of Jesus. But instead you said that Jesus was perfect. Someone who is perfect can't do something that you believe is wrong... either they're not perfect, or your belief that it is wrong is flawed.

his arguement doesn't hold because duality just means that jesus was able to understand the human condition and sympathize with human suffering, not that he was any less perfect. he was able to die for the sins of man because he was perfect and without sin. not because he was human and therefore flawed as all humans are. To take his form of duality jesus would have be more human that divine and capable of being wrong which his divinity would prevent. unless we want to try and talk about christian scientists who believe that jesus and christ were 2 different things.
03-07-2006, 04:38 PM
kelly

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Originally Posted by xsecx

his arguement doesn't hold because duality just means that jesus was able to understand the human condition and sympathize with human suffering, not that he was any less perfect. he was able to die for the sins of man because he was perfect and without sin. not because he was human and therefore flawed as all humans are. To take his form of duality jesus would have be more human that divine and capable of being wrong which his divinity would prevent. unless we want to try and talk about christian scientists who believe that jesus and christ were 2 different things.

Yeah, well, I know nothing of this jesus fella, so I'm not arguing in xbatmanx's favor, I just thought that was the only opposing argument to yours that has sounded well thought out.... I mean, personally the concept of any kind of perfection is pretty questionable as a basis for a system of beliefs.
03-07-2006, 06:18 PM
straightXed

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Originally Posted by collin

so what authority are you over me?

Dude, thats god you are talking to!
03-07-2006, 06:40 PM
straightXed

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Originally Posted by collin

ok. this is getting stupid. you guys have gone from defending your points of view to making vulgar comments dissing the other side of the argument. jesus christ is my savior, that's my belief, he was perfect and was fully god and fully man, and he is the son of a perfect god. sorry, but all your christian bashing isn't going to do any good. once again, i'm grounded in my faith, and i'm not going to change my beliefs. and i AM christian and straight-edge, so deal with it.

Its my belief that he's a twatty twat and a myth and you cannot prove that he exists so i don't really care about changing your beliefs. You can't put forward your beliefs on the subject and then get all whiny when people tell you their beliefs. The truth is christians recieve a shit load of sugar coated responses from people because of how protective they are over their religion. I seriously do find the idea of christianity an insulting manipulative cult, twisted archaic paradigm that shows and exploits the erroneous foolish folly of a weaker persons nature; or a completely mismatched bunch of contradictions when people make it up as they go along what christianity means, they make it so open to their own interpretation that they just ignore what their religion meant and change it to suit social climates - either way its my belief that its a bag of shit. This isn't bashing this is how others see things outside of your closed christian world but aside from all that people have put forth a very conclusive argument without putting forward their beliefs on your faith. They have illustrated the flaws that most people seem to be able to accept but it just further goes to proove that christians have a real hard time with their religion. You really don't see how riddled with contradiction christians are with their religion, i am happy to leave you to your beliefs and just keep discussing the reasons why straight edge and christianity don't mix - but when you get all self righteous about your belief you can bet i will put forward my belief with as much righteousness and vigor because to me you and your religion is utter shite.

You can call yourself what you like but you will not escape the contradiction that is inherent to your christian mindset and whilst i can deal with you calling yourself something that doesn't accurately work together its apparent that you are unable to deal with the fact that it does contradict one another.
03-07-2006, 07:17 PM
kelly

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Originally Posted by straightXed

The truth is christians recieve a shit load of sugar coated responses from people because of how protective they are over their religion.

I totally agree with this. I don't understand why we aren't allowed to say anything insulting about the christian religion, but they are allowed to tell us we are going to be tortured for eternity in hell for our beliefs? That's pretty insulting, if you ask me. And also a blantant mass manipulation ploy used by christianity to play people's natural fear of death and what will happen afterwards. So lets keep on calling jesus a twatty twat.
03-08-2006, 03:09 AM
stepinsideissue

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Originally Posted by straightXed

Dude, thats god you are talking to!

I'm confused now. Which one of them is god.
03-08-2006, 06:03 AM
straightXed

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Originally Posted by stepinsideissue

I'm confused now. Which one of them is god.

Which one of who?
03-08-2006, 10:31 AM
collin

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Originally Posted by straightXed

Its my belief that he's a twatty twat and a myth and you cannot prove that he exists so i don't really care about changing your beliefs. You can't put forward your beliefs on the subject and then get all whiny when people tell you their beliefs. The truth is christians recieve a shit load of sugar coated responses from people because of how protective they are over their religion. I seriously do find the idea of christianity an insulting manipulative cult, twisted archaic paradigm that shows and exploits the erroneous foolish folly of a weaker persons nature; or a completely mismatched bunch of contradictions when people make it up as they go along what christianity means, they make it so open to their own interpretation that they just ignore what their religion meant and change it to suit social climates - either way its my belief that its a bag of shit. This isn't bashing this is how others see things outside of your closed christian world but aside from all that people have put forth a very conclusive argument without putting forward their beliefs on your faith. They have illustrated the flaws that most people seem to be able to accept but it just further goes to proove that christians have a real hard time with their religion. You really don't see how riddled with contradiction christians are with their religion, i am happy to leave you to your beliefs and just keep discussing the reasons why straight edge and christianity don't mix - but when you get all self righteous about your belief you can bet i will put forward my belief with as much righteousness and vigor because to me you and your religion is utter shite.

You can call yourself what you like but you will not escape the contradiction that is inherent to your christian mindset and whilst i can deal with you calling yourself something that doesn't accurately work together its apparent that you are unable to deal with the fact that it does contradict one another.

i'm not whining because you guys are stating your opinions, but there are ways to say it without insulting the other person and his beliefs.
03-08-2006, 10:59 AM
kelly

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Originally Posted by collin

i'm not whining because you guys are stating your opinions, but there are ways to say it without insulting the other person and his beliefs.

He wasn't insulting you, he was insulting Jesus. Follow along.

PS - if you're gonna be all high and mighty, you've better not have ever told a non-christian person they were gonna go to hell for not believing what you believe.
03-08-2006, 11:02 AM
collin

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Originally Posted by kelly

PS - if you're gonna be all high and mighty, you've better not have ever told a non-christian person they were gonna go to hell for not believing what you believe.

i don't. i think it's lame for people to say stuff like that, because it really makes the whole image of christians look bad.....
03-08-2006, 11:05 AM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by collin

i don't. i think it's lame for people to say stuff like that, because it really makes the whole image of christians look bad.....

why would it make you look bad when it's the truth?
03-08-2006, 11:07 AM
collin

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Originally Posted by xsecx

why would it make you look bad when it's the truth?

because telling people that they're going to hell makes a christian seem to be kind of egotistical and it's usually not a good way to spread the love of christ....
03-08-2006, 11:16 AM
xsecx

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Originally Posted by collin

because telling people that they're going to hell makes a christian seem to be kind of egotistical and it's usually not a good way to spread the love of christ....

but that doesn't make it any less true to a christian. the reality being if you don't believe what we believe you're going to suffer eternally.

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