Yeah it looks like there may be some lighter subjects as well hehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelly
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Yeah it looks like there may be some lighter subjects as well hehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelly
I've failed to demonstrate that people think alcohol is wrong? What involvement with straight edge have you had up to this point where that even makes sense to you? Even in your own words you claimed to not want to be associated with people who drink, so who's playing word games? I fully understand the part of christian faith, and it still comes down to one central point that you haven't been able to address and won't be able to address. The duality of christ only means the jesus was both divine and human. that doesn't mean he was wrong or capable of being wrong. The bible is VERY clear on that. If you disagree, start point to stuff. Now, what part of the religion don't I understand? I'm not the one saying my god was wrong and I was right?Quote:
Originally Posted by xbatmanx
So how is it debatable and symbolic? or did you miss that part? So your beliefs don't matter in this argument, but yet keep making appearances as justifications and explainations as to why someone who isn't christian can't understand how you can be both? So you found 1 old testament verse that in context is talking about prostitution and drunkness not wine itself. and 2 more tht talk about drinking too much, not actually drinking and given that wine is the go to alcoholic beverage in the bible it would stand to reason that is why it's used as an example.Quote:
The subject of the thread is "Can You Be Christian and Straight Edge?" not "Can James Be Christian and Straight Edge?" The "you" in this case is general. Meaning "Can One Be Christian and Straight Edge?" My beliefs don't matter in this argument. I could be a drunken atheist and still make this argument.
Hosea 4:11 "The Lord says, "Wine, both old and new, is robbing my people of their senses."
Proverbs 23:20 "Don't associate with people who drink too much wine or stuff themselves with food."
Ephesians 5:18 "Don't be drunk with wine, because that will ruin your life. Instead, let the Holy Spirit fill and control you."
There are many passages relating to the sin of drunkenness. But these are at least some of the ones that specifically mention wine.
which includes putting yourself above god.Quote:
What I said was when I was agnostic and did not have faith, the duality belief sounded to me like a cop-out. Sometimes things happen in your life where you develop faith. Since Christianity is a faith-based religion you need to have faith in order to believe some things. This is the thing that you are not getting. You're trying to argue things in Christianity that there are different beliefs on. I'm not trying to change anything. I hold my beliefs and Christianity happens to fit me.
It only goes in circles when you fail to actually address and answer the questions posed, forcing it into a circle and forcing you to give up because it's the easy way out.Quote:
I just don't like wasting my time trying to ague something in circles. I've got better things to do. I've gotten so much less done since I started arguing this. I'm not used to sitting on messageboards all day. I'm fine with the direction that this went in. I don't think you've proven anything about Christianity being wrong and I was never trying to convince you to change your mind because it's clear from any of your posts that you are convinced that you are never wrong. And I'm sure I come across as that too. My goal here has been to rebut you enough to provide enough information for people to make their own judgement. And I said that before. Now I'm sure you'll go on to say "oh you can't even come up with an argument," "you're not really sxe," "you're not really Christian," or whatever you can think of to try to make me look bad. I will let my arguments speak for themselves. Just because they don't work for you doesn't mean they won't work for someone else. Seriously, say whatever you want, but I've wasted too much time on this.
So now I'm going to start enjoying the rest of the site if you don't mind.
I kinda thought it was going in circles because you two were both stating the same points over and over again. But that's just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
good to see you're still holding down the status quo by not actually contributing anything other than the occasional smart ass commen.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelly
Yep. Girl's gotta have a purpose in life.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
This has really turned into a flame war hasn't it. Personally, I see no reason for christianity and sXe to contradict one another. There really is different levels of christianity out there. You have your fanatics who force their beliefs on others. You have those who say they are christian yet sit back, don't participate anyway, and do a lot of un-christian things. You also have your christians who lead by example (us good guys :D).
Isn't this how sXe is? There are the psycho sXe ppl who run around all 'hardcore' punching themselves in the face and putting a bad label on the sXe crowd. You have the sXe ppl who prolly take a swig every now and then but like being a member of the 'club'. Then you have the sXe ppl who lead by example, staying away from the drugs, random sex, and booze (us good guys :D).
Personal beliefs on homosexuality: It's inneficient. The species can't propagate unless the penises are going into the vaginas.
Personal beliefs on sex: Don't put the penis in the vagina unless you eventually plan on having a kid with the other person.
Personal beliefs on sXe & christianity: 1. Some of you folks need to calm the fuck down. 2. We're all entitled to our own opinions, although 3. wouldn't it be nice if more ppl shared our opinions?
Ok, the last sXe and christianity one I agree with. However, the homosexuality thing? What the hell? Since when is propagating the species a major concern? Don't we have an overpopulation problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by nucleocide
the bible's pretty clear on homosexuality.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelly
The Bible? Why would I care what the bible says?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
because you're talking about homosexuality with "christians"?Quote:
Originally Posted by kelly
Oh yeah. Forgot they were Jesus freaks. Damn Jesus kind of gets in the way of reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
easy on the Jesus comments please.....Quote:
Originally Posted by kelly
why?Quote:
Originally Posted by collin
because they're offensive to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecx
oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by collin