Can You Be Christian And Straight Edge?

iam dumb and disagree with dusty on alot of things but its a movement no doubt.

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Originally Posted by XBILLYX

iam dumb

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we all knew about this!

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Originally Posted by SgtD

we all knew about this!

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Hahaha if the shoe fits right?

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Originally Posted by stepinsideissue

Hahaha if the shoe fits right?

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n/t

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Originally Posted by SgtD

n/t

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n/t ?????

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Originally Posted by stepinsideissue

n/t ?????

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yeah, no text. your sentence said it all. same as "nuff said"

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Originally Posted by SgtD

yeah, no text. your sentence said it all. same as "nuff said"

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Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by SgtD

we all knew about this!

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cutie. just because i dont conform.

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Originally Posted by XBILLYX

cutie. just because i dont conform.

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well, conformation has nothing to do with you calling yourself dumb!

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Originally Posted by collin

Ok, so already I've been hearing some controversy...So what do you guys think? Can you be sXe and Christian?

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i would think that the two would pretty much go hand in hand. jesus encouraged a healthy mind, body, and spirit. doesn't sXe encourage the same thing? i am proud to call my self christian(catholic) sXe...and no, i dont take wine at communion. lol...personally, i never have.

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

i would think that the two would pretty much go hand in hand. jesus encouraged a healthy mind, body, and spirit. doesn't sXe encourage the same thing? i am proud to call my self christian(catholic) sXe...and no, i dont take wine at communion. lol...personally, i never have.

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the whole point is really that jesus made wine, drank wine, and encouraged its use. at least i believe that's what the gist of the whole thread was about. how can you be straightedge when you follow a system of beliefs that encourage such things? jesus even said to drink wine in rememberance of his blood. hence where communion wine comes from. even though they both encourage healthy minds and bodies there are majour differences.

so as i myself stated before, no. i dont believe it is a possibility to be christian and sXe.

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Originally Posted by atXdawnXweXburn

the whole point is really that jesus made wine, drank wine, and encouraged its use. at least i believe that's what the gist of the whole thread was about. how can you be straightedge when you follow a system of beliefs that encourage such things? jesus even said to drink wine in rememberance of his blood. hence where communion wine comes from. even though they both encourage healthy minds and bodies there are majour differences.

so as i myself stated before, no. i dont believe it is a possibility to be christian and sXe.

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well just because you are Catholic doesnt mean you have to take wine. i dont take wine at communion. sure, he encourages the usage of it in communal sense, however, i dont drink the wine, never have, never will. i get what you are trying to say, but i think that you are a little confused on what some church teaching is. They don't mandate that you must take wine, it is your personal choice. As for Christ, I believe in most of Christ's teachings, but i do not believe in the catholic teaching of transubstantiation (the bread and wine becoming the body and blood of christ). should i be banned to hell? should i be kicked out of the sXe realm?

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

should i be banned to hell? should i be kicked out of the sXe realm?

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come on now, did i ever say that? hell, just because you dont take the wine doesnt mean anything. as i stated, its the whole belief system that he ENCOURAGED it. you're following the teachings of somebody who was definately not sXe. even so, its nothing to get worked up about. i have plenty of friends who aren't sXe. you wont be "kicked out of the realm" or shunned because of your beliefs. personally, i respect the fact you're drug free. it takes some guts to be frug free now days, and i think it's admirable. even so, i wouldnt quite say you're sXe

and yeah, i have no problems with catholics. i'm marrying into a big ass irish catholic family.

it just seems that sXe is only reserved for agnostics and aetheists and other forms of religion other than christianity....am i correct? this seems strange since i thought that sXe was against forms of discrimination

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

it just seems that sXe is only reserved for agnostics and aetheists and other forms of religion other than christianity....am i correct? this seems strange since i thought that sXe was against forms of discrimination

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honestly, this would be more of a question for dusty. i dont have the knowledge to say so much, but i wouldnt quite call it "discrimination"

it's not like all sXe people HATE christians. as i said, i have nothing against them. but i just believe that due to the beliefs behind christianity it is impossible to unite sXe with the religion.

but hey, ask dusty. he'll know for sure.

since i'm new to this entire mindset of sXe...please clarify this for me because arent there christian sXe bands out there? (ie xLooking Forwardx)

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

it just seems that sXe is only reserved for agnostics and aetheists and other forms of religion other than christianity....am i correct? this seems strange since i thought that sXe was against forms of discrimination

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if you bother reading the trhead and think about it, you'll understand how the two contradict each other.
and sxe is pretty much discriminating, do you think it's an openminded movement while we diss people who do recreational drugs?

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Originally Posted by atXdawnXweXburn

honestly, this would be more of a question for dusty. i dont have the knowledge to say so much, but i wouldnt quite call it "discrimination"

it's not like all sXe people HATE christians. as i said, i have nothing against them. but i just believe that due to the beliefs behind christianity it is impossible to unite sXe with the religion.

but hey, ask dusty. he'll know for sure.

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you wouldnt quite call the fact that there are people who consider themselves sXe, but who are christian, in reality really can never be sXe because they believe in Christ who said "take this cup and drink of my blood" ? that seems like discrimination to me...no offense man, i totally get what you are saying...but overall, it seems like discrimination. you can never be sXe because you are christian

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Originally Posted by SgtD

if you bother reading the trhead and think about it, you'll understand how the two contradict each other.
and sxe is pretty much discriminating, do you think it's an openminded movement while we diss people who do recreational drugs?

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well, as you know, i'm new to this. i'm still seeing if giving this new method of drug free mindset will turn into a potential sXe life. you guys gotta help me out.

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

you wouldnt quite call the fact that there are people who consider themselves sXe, but who are christian, in reality really can never be sXe because they believe in Christ who said "take this cup and drink of my blood" ? that seems like discrimination to me...no offense man, i totally get what you are saying...but overall, it seems like discrimination. you can never be sXe because you are christian

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hence why i said to ask dusty for sure.

but either way it goes, congrats on being drug free *throws confetti*

at least you wont end up homeless on the street blowing people for meth money like my mom! =P

so ultimately, to end this tiff, i am not sXe because i am christian...therefore, must i renounce my faith to become sXe?

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

so ultimately, to end this tiff, i am not sXe because i am christian...therefore, must i renounce my faith to become sXe?

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i plead the fifth

lol...so many technicalities....ARGGG!!!

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

lol...so many technicalities....ARGGG!!!

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indeed, it is a technical lifestyle.

well, im going to go get some rice milk and hit the sack. its almost 2 am, and i have to be up in 5 hours. good luck on finding the answer to your question

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

so ultimately, to end this tiff, i am not sXe because i am christian...therefore, must i renounce my faith to become sXe?

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i'd say, you are a phony sxe, and a phony christian if you think you can be both. the contradiction is clear, and i'M glad you accept this, unlike most christians on this board who are extremely one-sided.
you can't be christian and edge

well, i was discouraged quickly...lol...i dunno, perhaps we should consult the sXe God's for assistance

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

well, i was discouraged quickly...lol...i dunno, perhaps we should consult the sXe God's for assistance

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no seriously, i'm kidding...but yeah dude, didnt realize that sXe really got down to the nitty gritty...i thought it would be open to christianity...does this mean i can no longer post on here?

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

no seriously, i'm kidding...but yeah dude, didnt realize that sXe really got down to the nitty gritty...i thought it would be open to christianity...does this mean i can no longer post on here?

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i suggest you think your life through. if you're committed to christianity that much, i guess you should just not call yourself sxe, to avoid looking dumb (like the other "sxe" christians on here.) you can enjoy being drug free without the label sxe anyway...

This is pathetic. Like Christianity, Straight Edge should be a personal thing. If you have to ask "Because of this technicallity, am I still straight edge?" You probably never were to begin with. It's pretty lame when you have to ask other people how to live your life based on thier own fractured opinions.

It seems to me that these sxe Christians are a lot more open and loving in every way about this and about not being discriminative. Hmmmm.... don't the atheists and agnostics normally yell at Christians about being self-righteous assholes? Seems like you guys have this thing backwards.





Now, to address the Jesus >> Wine >> Distributing thing...

Jesus was in fact perfect, even though he drank "wine". Contrary to popular beliefs on this board, Jesus was not wasted 24/7 like some people would have you to believe. Wine was NOT the only drink available in the area. Saying that it was is bullshit. Water was very abundant, you know the story... Jesus gets into town... he's tired and thristy.... the hooker goes and gets him water to drink from the well... that hooker was Mary.

Yes, some people did get drunk though: The atheists, agnostics, and pagens...

There were many different potencies and proofs though. Dinner wine was basically just barely fermented, where as the wine the drunkards consumed were a much higher dose. In essence, you had different brands. Then you had the "wine" that was grape juice.

When Jesus turned water to wine he made grape juice... the people were already drunk so they couldn't tell the difference.

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

it just seems that sXe is only reserved for agnostics and aetheists and other forms of religion other than christianity....am i correct? this seems strange since i thought that sXe was against forms of discrimination

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what makes you think this is a problem with straight edge and not a problem with christianity?

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Originally Posted by THEGROUPCONSCIOUS

This is pathetic. Like Christianity, Straight Edge should be a personal thing. If you have to ask "Because of this technicallity, am I still straight edge?" You probably never were to begin with. It's pretty lame when you have to ask other people how to live your life based on thier own fractured opinions.

It seems to me that these sxe Christians are a lot more open and loving in every way about this and about not being discriminative. Hmmmm.... don't the atheists and agnostics normally yell at Christians about being self-righteous assholes? Seems like you guys have this thing backwards.





Now, to address the Jesus >> Wine >> Distributing thing...

Jesus was in fact perfect, even though he drank "wine". Contrary to popular beliefs on this board, Jesus was not wasted 24/7 like some people would have you to believe. Wine was NOT the only drink available in the area. Saying that it was is bullshit. Water was very abundant, you know the story... Jesus gets into town... he's tired and thristy.... the hooker goes and gets him water to drink from the well... that hooker was Mary.

Yes, some people did get drunk though: The atheists, agnostics, and pagens...

There were many different potencies and proofs though. Dinner wine was basically just barely fermented, where as the wine the drunkards consumed were a much higher dose. In essence, you had different brands. Then you had the "wine" that was grape juice.

When Jesus turned water to wine he made grape juice... the people were already drunk so they couldn't tell the difference.

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Considering you think you can drink and be edge, let's just take your views on what straight edge is or should be with a grain of salt. You also are failing to understand the arguement and using terms like discriminatory clearly demonstrates that.

you don't actually read what people write do you? Point to me where anyone said anything about jesus being drunk.

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Originally Posted by THEGROUPCONSCIOUS

This is pathetic. Like Christianity, Straight Edge should be a personal thing. If you have to ask "Because of this technicallity, am I still straight edge?" You probably never were to begin with. It's pretty lame when you have to ask other people how to live your life based on thier own fractured opinions.

It seems to me that these sxe Christians are a lot more open and loving in every way about this and about not being discriminative. Hmmmm.... don't the atheists and agnostics normally yell at Christians about being self-righteous assholes? Seems like you guys have this thing backwards.





Now, to address the Jesus >> Wine >> Distributing thing...

Jesus was in fact perfect, even though he drank "wine". Contrary to popular beliefs on this board, Jesus was not wasted 24/7 like some people would have you to believe. Wine was NOT the only drink available in the area. Saying that it was is bullshit. Water was very abundant, you know the story... Jesus gets into town... he's tired and thristy.... the hooker goes and gets him water to drink from the well... that hooker was Mary.

Yes, some people did get drunk though: The atheists, agnostics, and pagens...

There were many different potencies and proofs though. Dinner wine was basically just barely fermented, where as the wine the drunkards consumed were a much higher dose. In essence, you had different brands. Then you had the "wine" that was grape juice.

When Jesus turned water to wine he made grape juice... the people were already drunk so they couldn't tell the difference.

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yeah man, i don't really take orders from ppl over the internet. truth be told, most of the people i have encountered on this message board are pricks and instead of being helpful, love to shoot others down. perhaps they were abused as children. i really don't know. however, there have been a few of you on here who have been helpful and thank you. i was under the impression that sXe enveloped the ideas of Anti-Alcohol, Anti-Drug, Anti-Tobacco, and Anti-Promiscuous sex. I thought that sXe was a purely secular thing. All of a sudden, I'm now hearing that if you are christian you are banned from sXe all together. Three words: I'm Fuckin' Confused. I get one response that's like, good for you man, welcome to the sXe life, keep it up. And then i hear, you don't belong here...you can never experience a pure sXe life. What the fuck is going on? Anti-Alcohol, Anti-Drug, Anti-Tobacco, Anti-Promiscuous sex is what I'm bent on preserving. Does this mean that if i can't be sXe and believe in christ, then are you all implying that living in a society dominated by vices is something that we should eradicate by killing people mercilessly because of this cause? The Group Conscious is right, sXe is a self righteous thing. Why are we attacking eachother? Again, i believed that Christianity and sXe embraced some of the same things. Healthy mind, body, and spirit. It's funny how most people are narrow minded. I fully believe that one can be christian and sXe. What would Ian McKaye say? Why don't we ask him? I'm not trying to attack anyone here, just make a statement about what I've seen. This is one of the most un-welcoming forums out here.

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

yeah man, i don't really take orders from ppl over the internet. truth be told, most of the people i have encountered on this message board are pricks and instead of being helpful, love to shoot others down. perhaps they were abused as children. i really don't know. however, there have been a few of you on here who have been helpful and thank you. i was under the impression that sXe enveloped the ideas of Anti-Alcohol, Anti-Drug, Anti-Tobacco, and Anti-Promiscuous sex. I thought that sXe was a purely secular thing. All of a sudden, I'm now hearing that if you are christian you are banned from sXe all together. Three words: I'm Fuckin' Confused. I get one response that's like, good for you man, welcome to the sXe life, keep it up. And then i hear, you don't belong here...you can never experience a pure sXe life. What the fuck is going on? Anti-Alcohol, Anti-Drug, Anti-Tobacco, Anti-Promiscuous sex is what I'm bent on preserving. Does this mean that if i can't be sXe and believe in christ, then are you all implying that living in a society dominated by vices is something that we should eradicate by killing people mercilessly because of this cause? The Group Conscious is right, sXe is a self righteous thing. Why are we attacking eachother? Again, i believed that Christianity and sXe embraced some of the same things. Healthy mind, body, and spirit. It's funny how most people are narrow minded. I fully believe that one can be christian and sXe. What would Ian McKaye say? Why don't we ask him? I'm not trying to attack anyone here, just make a statement about what I've seen. This is one of the most un-welcoming forums out here.

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this is what happens when all you do is read a title and not actually read what a thread says or what it's about. Christiantiy isn't anti-alcohol. straight edge is. yet you are trying to turn this isn't how we're going to discriminate against you? I suggest you go back and actually read the tread and see where the issue actually is.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

this is what happens when all you do is read a title and not actually read what a thread says or what it's about. Christiantiy isn't anti-alcohol. straight edge is. yet you are trying to turn this isn't how we're going to discriminate against you? I suggest you go back and actually read the tread and see where the issue actually is.

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christianity isn't anti alcohol, yet they never say that you MUST consume alcohol in order to become closer to God. Jesus offered wine as "his blood" HOWEVER, it is your choice to consume it. Also if christianity isnt anti-alcohol, then Christian sects like seventh day adventists and mormons must be going to hell right? After all, they do not believe in taking alcohol because their bodies are temples.

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

christianity isn't anti alcohol, yet they never say that you MUST consume alcohol in order to become closer to God. Jesus offered wine as "his blood" HOWEVER, it is your choice to consume it. Also if christianity isnt anti-alcohol, then Christian sects like seventh day adventists and mormons must be going to hell right? After all, they do not believe in taking alcohol because their bodies are temples.

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they're saying that god is wrong. so yeah. they would be. It all comes down to the same point, if jesus is god and god is perfect then jesus is perfect, how can you find fault in anything that jesus did? How can you be right and jesus be wrong?

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Originally Posted by xsecx

they're saying that god is wrong. so yeah. they would be. It all comes down to the same point, if jesus is god and god is perfect then jesus is perfect, how can you find fault in anything that jesus did? How can you be right and jesus be wrong?

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lol..oh man, you have a lot to learn. word of advice, don't pass judgement on christians when you aren't christian yourself.

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Originally Posted by xMoranXArmyx

lol..oh man, you have a lot to learn. word of advice, don't pass judgement on christians when you aren't christian yourself.

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see, when people have a problem with a subject, and know they can't talk about it, they normally bust out the "you don't understand" "you've got a lot to learn" statements and then don't actually support those statements at all.

why can't I pass judgements on christians and why would I need to be one myself to?

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Originally Posted by xsecx

see, when people have a problem with a subject, and know they can't talk about it, they normally bust out the "you don't understand" "you've got a lot to learn" statements and then don't actually support those statements at all.

why can't I pass judgements on christians and why would I need to be one myself to?

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so ultimately you are an authoritarian on the Church, xsecx?

i'll be waiting for your bestselling book on how "Christians who don't drink alcohol are going to hell"

i'll be waiting for your bestselling book on how "Christians who don't drink alcohol are going to hell" I mean, with all those credentials, how could you not be wrong!