is coffee....

Can anybody tell me,if I start drinking coffee again,is this non edge? And,are teddy grahams vegan. [I loved em as a kid,wanna buy some IF they are] :D

according to PETA, some are...
the coffee thing.. i believe that coffee, tea,medicaments, etc. are in "grey area".. it really depends on you and your choice...

caffeine is a drug. so no, drinking coffee is NOT edge. end of story. there's a huge thread about it, look it up for more info, if you want to

But what if she's not addicted to it, and if it does not alter her mind?
loom talks about tea, among other stuffs, I personnally occasionally drink tea, and it does strictly nothing to me, except warming my vocals folds before I sing of stuff, so I don't really see the point. Of course, if it causes an addiction I get it, but if not...

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But what if she's not addicted to it, and if it does not alter her mind?
loom talks about tea, among other stuffs, I personnally occasionally drink tea, and it does strictly nothing to me, except warming my vocals folds before I sing of stuff, so I don't really see the point. Of course, if it causes an addiction I get it, but if not...

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You can have a beer without being addicted.

ahh I've been here for soo long now in this grey area

Caffine maybe a drug but so is paracetamol for exsample


I know paracetamol is medical but then again so is morphine, prozac and canabis in some cases

all 3 of them are used in abusive ways to get high

the only drugs that will break you of being edge in my opinion
are mind altering drugs/stimulents

anything that gets you high basicly
being drunk is a form of being high so i class it all the same really
also a drug that damages your body

caffine im fine with although i very rarely drink it these days
if anything salt does more damage to you lol

Even though i personally dont use drugs even for medical purposes
you wont be breaking edge if you enjoy a cup of tea on occasion
not in my opinion anyway

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ahh I've been here for soo long now in this grey area

Caffine maybe a drug but so is paracetamol for exsample


I know paracetamol is medical but then again so is morphine, prozac and canabis in some cases

all 3 of them are used in abusive ways to get high

the only drugs that will break you of being edge in my opinion
are mind altering drugs/stimulents

anything that gets you high basicly
being drunk is a form of being high so i class it all the same really
also a drug that damages your body

caffine im fine with although i very rarely drink it these days
if anything salt does more damage to you lol

Even though i personally dont use drugs even for medical purposes
you wont be breaking edge if you enjoy a cup of tea on occasion
not in my opinion anyway

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caffeine is a stimulant though. it's just a socially accepted one.

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caffeine is a stimulant though. it's just a socially accepted one.

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yeah it is but it doesnt have any effect on you really
it just keeps you awake if you drink alot of it
thats about it

the same could be said for alot of sweets and stuff

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yeah it is but it doesnt have any effect on you really
it just keeps you awake if you drink alot of it
thats about it

the same could be said for alot of sweets and stuff

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or it's just that because it's so common and it's use is accepted that people aren't really sure what it does.

If you're against drug use, why is caffeine ok but other drugs aren't?

I'd also suggest reading this thread: http://sxe.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5504

Its only harmful drugs

things that alter your brain chemistry to make you do dumb things
also drugs that do damage to your body and can kill you


thats all i avoid

I rarely drink caffine anyway so it doesnt bother me too much XD

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Its only harmful drugs

things that alter your brain chemistry to make you do dumb things
also drugs that do damage to your body and can kill you


thats all i avoid

I rarely drink caffine anyway so it doesnt bother me too much XD

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caffeine does everything you just said though.

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Its only harmful drugs

things that alter your brain chemistry to make you do dumb things
also drugs that do damage to your body and can kill you


thats all i avoid

I rarely drink caffine anyway so it doesnt bother me too much XD

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Caffeine is pretty harmful, has even been known to cause death.

Wow. Thanks. Well,I haven't had coffee for years and I've never been online til now,so I didn't know about other sites. Glad to know though,cuz people all over say "oh its ok." And others "yo,coffee is not edge." That I figured,but wasn't sure. Now,if I get decaf coffee|tea I was told there's trace amounts of caffeine. True or false? I would drink decaf stuff if it has none. Could pretty much take or leave coffee or tea at all. Thanks again. :D

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Can anybody tell me,if I start drinking coffee again,is this non edge? And,are teddy grahams vegan. [I loved em as a kid,wanna buy some IF they are] :D

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Teddy Grahams! Yum...the chocolate, chocolate chip and cinnamon flavors are vegan. The honey flavored ones are a gray area....some vegans are not willing to eat honey, so do.

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Wow. Thanks. Well,I haven't had coffee for years and I've never been online til now,so I didn't know about other sites. Glad to know though,cuz people all over say "oh its ok." And others "yo,coffee is not edge." That I figured,but wasn't sure. Now,if I get decaf coffee|tea I was told there's trace amounts of caffeine. True or false? I would drink decaf stuff if it has none. Could pretty much take or leave coffee or tea at all. Thanks again. :D

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there's trace amounts but no where near enough to actually effect the body.

but that really does not represent the culture, or does it? i've met edgers drinking coke or coffee... i don't drink for other reasons so i might be still wrong on this.. anyway, Carla, honey is definitely not vegan.. how it even could be?

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but that really does not represent the culture, or does it? i've met edgers drinking coke or coffee... i don't drink for other reasons so i might be still wrong on this.. anyway, Carla, honey is definitely not vegan.. how it even could be?

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To me honey is like the vegan Caffeine, it obviously flaunts the basic principals of veganism, but some decide it's too mild a case to bother with.

At the same time, the bees that produce the honey you see in a store, were used to pollinate the fields of vegetables, grains etc of the food you eat, and make the homey as a result. Most crops are not pollinated by the bees that live in the area a great deal is done by bee keepers who bring their bees to a farm to do the job. So even if you eat just what grows out of the ground, farmed bees had a hand in it.

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but that really does not represent the culture, or does it? i've met edgers drinking coke or coffee... i don't drink for other reasons so i might be still wrong on this.. anyway, Carla, honey is definitely not vegan.. how it even could be?

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just because people do something that's inconsistent doesn't mean the question shouldn't be asked and folks shouldn't think about what they do in terms of their professed beliefs.

Isnt there caffine in Chocolate too?


i think personally its a grey area

I only abstain from Alchohol, Tobbacco, Illigal/abused Drugs and sleeping about
well i guess i also abstain from going out too

but that has nothing to do with being edge really

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Isnt there caffine in Chocolate too?


i think personally its a grey area

I only abstain from Alchohol, Tobbacco, Illigal/abused Drugs and sleeping about
well i guess i also abstain from going out too

but that has nothing to do with being edge really

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There is a negligable of caffeine in chocolate. The way i see it is its not really that grey if you do it in accordance with some logical reasoning. Like avoiding the use of any recreational drug is sound reasoning but avoiding that drug when it occurs in such small amounts that it will have no effect is not so sound and just makes it a burden with ne real reason. So with that in mind i would omit the idea of steering clear of the minimal caffeine found in chocolate just as i would not be that fussed over the tiny amount found in decaf products or the miniscule amount of alcohol found in soy sauce (perhaps this would make alcohol a grey area for you?). However, sodas with added caffeine have enough do cause a physical effect, as does coffee and tea and most of all energy drinks. I see no logical reason to partake in these, there are multiple alternatives that don't require me to dose my body with a stimulant that is addictive and messes with your central nervous system among other things. For me a sensible and logical stance would be to avoid caffeine in amounts that effect the body/mind if you are against the recreational use of drugs, otherwise i struggle to see how the stance is being consistant with the actions.

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To me honey is like the vegan Caffeine, it obviously flaunts the basic principals of veganism, but some decide it's too mild a case to bother with.

At the same time, the bees that produce the honey you see in a store, were used to pollinate the fields of vegetables, grains etc of the food you eat, and make the homey as a result. Most crops are not pollinated by the bees that live in the area a great deal is done by bee keepers who bring their bees to a farm to do the job. So even if you eat just what grows out of the ground, farmed bees had a hand in it.

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^this. I don't agree with people eating honey, but again, it's an deabatable issue.

On the chocolate, when I was "hardcore" about being sxe, I wouldn't eat chocolate to avoid any caffeine and any tea would be herbal. However, my diet is already so limited, so I've eat chocolate on special occassions. :D

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There is a negligable of caffeine in chocolate. The way i see it is its not really that grey if you do it in accordance with some logical reasoning. Like avoiding the use of any recreational drug is sound reasoning but avoiding that drug when it occurs in such small amounts that it will have no effect is not so sound and just makes it a burden with ne real reason. So with that in mind i would omit the idea of steering clear of the minimal caffeine found in chocolate just as i would not be that fussed over the tiny amount found in decaf products or the miniscule amount of alcohol found in soy sauce (perhaps this would make alcohol a grey area for you?). However, sodas with added caffeine have enough do cause a physical effect, as does coffee and tea and most of all energy drinks. I see no logical reason to partake in these, there are multiple alternatives that don't require me to dose my body with a stimulant that is addictive and messes with your central nervous system among other things. For me a sensible and logical stance would be to avoid caffeine in amounts that effect the body/mind if you are against the recreational use of drugs, otherwise i struggle to see how the stance is being consistant with the actions.

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that's the way I think, too. Thanks for phrasing it haha.

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that's the way I think, too. Thanks for phrasing it haha.

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No problem, its good to know i am not the only person who thinks this way!

We're quite the healthy people.

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There is a negligable of caffeine in chocolate. The way i see it is its not really that grey if you do it in accordance with some logical reasoning. Like avoiding the use of any recreational drug is sound reasoning but avoiding that drug when it occurs in such small amounts that it will have no effect is not so sound and just makes it a burden with ne real reason. So with that in mind i would omit the idea of steering clear of the minimal caffeine found in chocolate just as i would not be that fussed over the tiny amount found in decaf products or the miniscule amount of alcohol found in soy sauce (perhaps this would make alcohol a grey area for you?). However, sodas with added caffeine have enough do cause a physical effect, as does coffee and tea and most of all energy drinks. I see no logical reason to partake in these, there are multiple alternatives that don't require me to dose my body with a stimulant that is addictive and messes with your central nervous system among other things. For me a sensible and logical stance would be to avoid caffeine in amounts that effect the body/mind if you are against the recreational use of drugs, otherwise i struggle to see how the stance is being consistant with the actions.

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sounds good..

Does make sense :)

I avoid alchohol completely though even food thats cooked in it

I hate alchohol

I wouldnt even have medical treatment if alchohol was necessary

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I wouldnt even have medical treatment if alchohol was necessary

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that doesnt sound so smart, man.

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Does make sense :)

I avoid alchohol completely though even food thats cooked in it

I hate alchohol

I wouldnt even have medical treatment if alchohol was necessary

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Yeah, Rodrigo is right, that isn't smart. Thats detrimental to your own health and why exactly would you be against medicine? Wheres the logic behind that?

Due to my father being a alchoholic and a drug dealer

i generally have a massive Hatered towards abused substances

so basicly if its abused i dont want it in my body even as medical

its just my own personal hate for it
other people using medical drugs doesnt bother me

plus I dont really hold much Value for my own life
Misanthropy does that to people though lol

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Due to my father being a alchoholic and a drug dealer

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I'm sorry to hear that but its not a great reason to deny yourself medicine and potentially screw yourself up...i mean haven't you seen the effect someone screwing themselves up has on others? Your father being a prime example...why would you want to deny yourself medical help if needed if it serves only to make negative ramifications?

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i generally have a massive Hatered towards abused substances

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Being treated medicinally is not substance abuse...its the complete opposite, its using a substance to aid and help keep healthy.

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so basicly if its abused i dont want it in my body even as medical

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see above. You need to see the line between drugs being abused and drugs being used positively.

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its just my own personal hate for it
other people using medical drugs doesnt bother me

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Your own personal hate is what i am questioning.

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plus I dont really hold much Value for my own life
Misanthropy does that to people though lol

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Not really sure how that is funny? I value my life quite highly and also have a healthy amount of misanthropy...the two can coincide quite naturally so i strongly contest that as any kind of logical reasoning as to why you would omit medicine. If you do feel your life has little to no value i can assure you it can easily have value and more than likely already does. You should invest some time and energy into yourself.

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Not really sure how that is funny? I value my life quite highly and also have a healthy amount of misanthropy...the two can coincide quite naturally so i strongly contest that as any kind of logical reasoning as to why you would omit medicine. If you do feel your life has little to no value i can assure you it can easily have value and more than likely already does. You should invest some time and energy into yourself.

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I wont deny myself medical help
but i will deny myself substances like Morphine and alchohol
I'd rather live with the pain than have them anywhere near me
besides that I never want to exsperience any form of drug induced high even if its medical

the only things i do value in my life are my friends and my fantasy worlds brought on by video games and movies

I have litterally no interest in the world and what very little it has to offer
I select my friends carefully
I maybe a misanthrope but i dont hate every single human out there
I love my friends and they are the biggest reason im still here
I wouldnt do anything to hurt them not after everything they have done for me

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Being treated medicinally is not substance abuse...its the complete opposite, its using a substance to aid and help keep healthy.

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i don't want argue about this, but just to let you know - there are people that would disagree with this.. for instance regarding vaccinations: my company's (i am an employer, not an owner) ex worker was vaccinated against tetanus (lockjaw).. she ended up immobile for 5 years and had to use wheelchair. she has damaged brain and it will stay that way.. i'm not saying that every medicine is useless, rather that every medicine has it's side effects and we propably wouldn't need most of them if we nourish our bodies more healthy... also, if doctor is paid to prescribe you medicine (and they are), he may easily prescribe you more than you really need "just to be shure".. i honestly believe that counts as substance abuse even when the patient is the abused one in the end.. i wonder how many people ended up on valium and similar stuff even when they really didn't need it (or needed much less amounts)?
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i wouldn't refuse narcosis if they had cut my lef off as I wouldn't refuse blood transfer or propably any medical treatment if my life was in real danger. But i don't take ibuprofen when my back hurts. Ibuprofen would propably help but then I could maybe use it also next time, when my head hurts, and so on and then it would become substance abuse. But the doctor won't tell you this. He propably won't tell you about it's side effects either. :-)

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<not a flame>
i don't want argue about this, but just to let you know - there are people that would disagree with this.. for instance regarding vaccinations: my company's (i am an employer, not an owner) ex worker was vaccinated against tetanus (lockjaw).. she ended up immobile for 5 years and had to use wheelchair. she has damaged brain and it will stay that way.. i'm not saying that every medicine is useless, rather that every medicine has it's side effects and we propably wouldn't need most of them if we nourish our bodies more healthy... also, if doctor is paid to prescribe you medicine (and they are), he may easily prescribe you more than you really need "just to be shure".. i honestly believe that counts as substance abuse even when the patient is the abused one in the end.. i wonder how many people ended up on valium and similar stuff even when they really didn't need it (or needed much less amounts)?
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Missed the point though didn't you...the medicine is being used in a completely dfferent way to recreational drugs...its not being abused and the intentions are to create heallth and alleviate illness and this is the difference. I really fail to see how it is substance abuse if it is being administered with the intention of healing or relieving pain, you are refering to a break down in the way drugs are adminstered and things are misdiagnosed or doctors becoming lazy but that does not make medication substance abuse. Denying a drug on sound reasoning is all well and good, if a doctor prescibes me a course of medication i read up on that medication and don't blindly take it, the point i made however is to flat out deny medicine with no logical reasoning is silly and this makes your whole non flaming, non argument redundant.

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i wouldn't refuse narcosis if they had cut my lef off as I wouldn't refuse blood transfer or propably any medical treatment if my life was in real danger. But i don't take ibuprofen when my back hurts. Ibuprofen would propably help but then I could maybe use it also next time, when my head hurts, and so on and then it would become substance abuse. But the doctor won't tell you this. He propably won't tell you about it's side effects either. :-)

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Well my doctor tells me about them, i ask my doctor and i also look into it myself...to take drugs blindly on a doctors word is as bad as not taking them with some illogical reasoning that suggests medicine is bad.

If your back hurts enough you will take nsaid's, if you are just in mild discomfort then sure, taking drugs like that is not really the best thing...a doctor can't feel your pain so a lot of it is down to you. I am very active and get all kinds of strains and pains but don't use drugs however i do require nsaid's for one reoccuring condition. All you are really ponting towards is that drugs are not sweets and should be respected as having a huge effect on your body, being smart about how you take drugs is all i am hearing here but denying medicine flat out is not smart...and thats the whole point of what i have said...if you or anyone actually disagrees with that then i'd love to know why.

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I wont deny myself medical help
but i will deny myself substances like Morphine and alchohol
I'd rather live with the pain than have them anywhere near me
besides that I never want to exsperience any form of drug induced high even if its medical

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You realise that that could cause you more harm than good? When you are actually in a position that morphine could help keep you alive then tell me you would still make that choice and if you do still make that choice you are an idiot. Is it just those substances or any medicine?

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the only things i do value in my life are my friends and my fantasy worlds brought on by video games and movies

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So do you value the impact of your life ending would have on your friends?

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I have litterally no interest in the world and what very little it has to offer
I select my friends carefully
I maybe a misanthrope but i dont hate every single human out there
I love my friends and they are the biggest reason im still here
I wouldnt do anything to hurt them not after everything they have done for me

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You wouldn't refuse morphine then? As surely to do so in the previously mentioned scenario would hurt your friends, right? Do you hate yourself?

Another question,a friend of mine drinks hempmilk and she says even though its made from hemp its not. Now on their boxes it say no THC but to me its like non alc beer. Yeah its free of "substances" but its still called hemp milk and non alc beer. Is this just the dumbest question or am I right to argue cuz I dunno anymore.

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Another question,a friend of mine drinks hempmilk and she says even though its made from hemp its not. Now on their boxes it say no THC but to me its like non alc beer. Yeah its free of "substances" but its still called hemp milk and non alc beer. Is this just the dumbest question or am I right to argue cuz I dunno anymore.

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to me it's not an issue, mainly because the plant that's used to make hemp products is different from the one people smoke. If it's healthy and it doesn't get someone high, I don't have a problem with it.

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Missed the point though didn't you...the medicine is being used in a completely dfferent way to recreational drugs...its not being abused and the intentions are to create heallth and alleviate illness and this is the difference. I really fail to see how it is substance abuse if it is being administered with the intention of healing or relieving pain, you are refering to a break down in the way drugs are adminstered and things are misdiagnosed or doctors becoming lazy but that does not make medication substance abuse. Denying a drug on sound reasoning is all well and good, if a doctor prescibes me a course of medication i read up on that medication and don't blindly take it, the point i made however is to flat out deny medicine with no logical reasoning is silly and this makes your whole non flaming, non argument redundant.

Well my doctor tells me about them, i ask my doctor and i also look into it myself...to take drugs blindly on a doctors word is as bad as not taking them with some illogical reasoning that suggests medicine is bad.

If your back hurts enough you will take nsaid's, if you are just in mild discomfort then sure, taking drugs like that is not really the best thing...a doctor can't feel your pain so a lot of it is down to you. I am very active and get all kinds of strains and pains but don't use drugs however i do require nsaid's for one reoccuring condition. All you are really ponting towards is that drugs are not sweets and should be respected as having a huge effect on your body, being smart about how you take drugs is all i am hearing here but denying medicine flat out is not smart...and thats the whole point of what i have said...if you or anyone actually disagrees with that then i'd love to know why.

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Ok, I will approach the problem from different angle. Ibuprofen is hardly a cure.. it is a pain reliever (i'm not denying it has propably one single beneficial effect - it is an anti-inflammator - but only with high doses) and numbs the nerve endings in your brain so you don't feel pain - but it's still there - your body is still ill and this pill won't cure anything. it simply turns off your body's natural ability to tell you there's something wrong. It is also an antipyretic which means it can stop your body's ability to take care of the infection itself - fever is a part of body's immune respnose to infection. on top of that, ibuprofen really messes your allimentary tract. and with higher doses, this risk becomes really dangerous. it causes nausea, melena, hematemeza, gastritis, stomach perforation, etc. and these are only acute side effects.. so i don't see how nsaid really helps you or your health..
another problem is with antibiotics.. not only that main part of cures labeled as antibiotics are not really antibiotics (natural) but chemoterapeutics but they also helps bakterias to be more resistent (and they can "learn" such resistency through zygosis). Most of antibiotics effectible in the past are not working now. We created superbacteria out of the bad bacterias but we forgot we have many bacterias in our system that we really need and we risk destroying this subtle system . And even when some antibiotics have quite good selectivity and we can to some degree take probiotics, you're again messing with how the body naturally works.
Not all pills may have side effects, I really don't know. While I agree completely that abuse is more a problem of the person,than of the drug itself ,what i'm trying to say is that I don't think it is safe to trust law to distinguish between drugs as cocaine, weed and drugs seen as cures. most illegal drugs have short-term valuable effects, too.

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Ok, I will approach the problem from different angle. Ibuprofen is hardly a cure.. it is a pain reliever (i'm not denying it has propably one single beneficial effect - it is an anti-inflammator - but only with high doses) and numbs the nerve endings in your brain so you don't feel pain - but it's still there - your body is still ill and this pill won't cure anything.

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It cured the inflamation of my bursa so you are wrong.

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it simply turns off your body's natural ability to tell you there's something wrong. It is also an antipyretic which means it can stop your body's ability to take care of the infection itself - fever is a part of body's immune respnose to infection. on top of that, ibuprofen really messes your allimentary tract. and with higher doses, this risk becomes really dangerous. it causes nausea, melena, hematemeza, gastritis, stomach perforation, etc. and these are only acute side effects.. so i don't see how nsaid really helps you or your health..

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Why the hell are you focussing on one drug when this discussion is about all drugs and someone choosing not to use any drugs flat out based on the reasoning that their father was a drunk. I don't really care about all the things you can say to make a drug sound shockingly bad, i find a lot of it to be pretty much overkill and i know from previous discussions you have an agenda against medicine and don't really care about that either. The facts are you are missing the focus and point in the discussion and missing it by miles. I disagree with your commentry, as i feel it is looking at possible side effects under a microscope and blowing them out of proportion. Not saying those side effects aren't there just that your focus is slightly askew

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another problem is with antibiotics.. not only that main part of cures labeled as antibiotics are not really antibiotics (natural) but chemoterapeutics but they also helps bakterias to be more resistent (and they can "learn" such resistency through zygosis). Most of antibiotics effectible in the past are not working now. We created superbacteria out of the bad bacterias but we forgot we have many bacterias in our system that we really need and we risk destroying this subtle system . And even when some antibiotics have quite good selectivity and we can to some degree take probiotics, you're again messing with how the body naturally works.
Not all pills may have side effects, I really don't know. While I agree completely that abuse is more a problem of the person,than of the drug itself ,what i'm trying to say is that I don't think it is safe to trust law to distinguish between drugs as cocaine, weed and drugs seen as cures. most illegal drugs have short-term valuable effects, too.

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but no one is suggesting using law are they, not sure where you are getting that from, its like you are in a completely different discussion?! The idea here is that to abstain from medicine based on the reasoning given is illogical, dangerous and foolish. If you don't want to talk about that and just want to chat about all the things you have found out about certain medication then it doesn't really serve as a response to what i am saying at all. So maybe try an angle that is in touch with what i am discussing not what you want to type about.

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Yes i would refuse morphine

all it is is a pain killer anyway
it just gets you wanked high so you dont feel any pain

if its used as a abused substance i will not take it

besides most injerys your body can recover from naturally

painkillers etc i do not use puerly because there is no point
headaches etc go on thier own so i dont use things like ibuprofin etc

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Ahh you think i refusce medicne because of my fathers drink and drug problem?

sorry i should be more clear on that

If a substance gets you high or is abused I dont want it in my body
its not because of my father I just dont want anything to do with it
all my father has contributed to this is my hatred towards alchohol
everything else is my own choice

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Yes i would refuse morphine

all it is is a pain killer anyway
it just gets you wanked high so you dont feel any pain

if its used as a abused substance i will not take it

besides most injerys your body can recover from naturally

painkillers etc i do not use puerly because there is no point
headaches etc go on thier own so i dont use things like ibuprofin etc

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But its not an abused substance if its used to aliviate a huge level of pain that if omitted would make certain operations involve more complications. I am not even talking about headaches i am talking about medicine used to aid in serious medical emergencies, you would seriously choose to risk your life over the use of a drug that is administered in a controlled environment by a medical professional and used to ensure your survival rate is greatly increased? You would not really be thinking about your friends in this incident would you?

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Ahh you think i refusce medicne because of my fathers drink and drug problem?

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well as thats what you said, yes i do!

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sorry i should be more clear on that

If a substance gets you high or is abused I dont want it in my body
its not because of my father I just dont want anything to do with it
all my father has contributed to this is my hatred towards alchohol
everything else is my own choice

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well the issue here is that medicinal use is not drug abuse, its focus is not to get you high, its not a recreational use, it is being used to help you, to possibly keep you alive and so to refuse that based on the fact the substance could be abused by someone in a completely different situation is just plain stupid. But when you are actually in a situation when your life could be saved by the use of a drug and you then refuse then i will actually take you seriously...until then i think you just like the sound of refusing all drugs.