why do people like emo what do they see in it

[foreverinaday]

whats with everybody now become emo and thinking its so great

[linsee]

what do you consider emo?

[foreverinaday]

i i dont consider what people call emo now emo like taking back sunday and get up kids and the faint and all that shit brights too i consider stuff like saetia emo and hot cross and mewithoutyou but most people dont

[Chance301]

because they like what they like and you like what you like, thats why. emo sucks yeah, but who cares youre a faggot too

[xDOUGxDIGGLERx]

i don't get it either, i've got a mate thats getting into it cos he fancies a lot of emo girls.

well i'm all for whatever floats your boat, i've learnt that by being surreal.

but self pity really gets on my nerves, not only is it selfrighteous and self involved, it also makes you feel even more shit.

[straightXed]

I can't really comment as i don't really know much about emo as it stands today, i know where it started and that but i never followed it to really know what its like now.

[sy bass]

they could say the same thing about hardcore

[straightXed]

Originally posted by sy bass
they could say the same thing about hardcore

who's they?

[T3aRs 0f ScRl3t]

Emo kida im guessing, and if im right, then i do agree.........they could say the same about hardcore or any type of music for that matter....... what makes us so much better?........ What someone sees in music is for them only...no need to pass judgment.....

[straightXed]

Originally posted by T3aRs 0f ScRl3t
Emo kida im guessing, and if im right, then i do agree.........they could say the same about hardcore or any type of music for that matter....... what makes us so much better?........ What someone sees in music is for them only...no need to pass judgment.....

Well everyone passes judgement on music and who's us?

[T3aRs 0f ScRl3t]

"us" as in the people who would rather listen to Hardcore than emo......and no i didnt mean to catergorize everyone here that does this......

[straightXed]

Originally posted by T3aRs 0f ScRl3t
"us" as in the people who would rather listen to Hardcore than emo......and no i didnt mean to catergorize everyone here that does this......

Thats cool i just don't understand the whole what makes hardcore kids better bit, i dunno where thats coming from?

[T3aRs 0f ScRl3t]

I was just using it as an example......

[straightXed]

Originally posted by T3aRs 0f ScRl3t
I was just using it as an example......

it was just odd to me, as if hardcore kids were thinking themselves better than emo kids or something.

[T3aRs 0f ScRl3t]

thats my point.....thats what i was saying..... what would make any hardcore kid better than anyone else?..... evryones equal on their own opinion and therefore there is no better or worse music or people.....

[Paracetamol]

Originally posted by foreverinaday
whats with everybody now become emo and thinking its so great

I don't see how I can answer this properly as it's not really a proper question. But people like the music they like as chance said. And if you like a type of music then surely you're also entitled to think it's great? The way you state 'becoming emo' confuses me as I see 'emo' only as a label for a particular music genre.

However, if you are refering to the way in which people attach labels to themselves to make themselves look 'cool' or whatever, then the answer to your question would be: 'because these people are insecure, like the majority of us, and take comfort in attaching themselves to what they perceive to be a stable identity'

In my opinion, at least.

[T3aRs 0f ScRl3t]

I agree........ Thats all in all the best answer to his question yet.....

[xsecx]

Originally posted by straightXed
it was just odd to me, as if hardcore kids were thinking themselves better than emo kids or something.

I know I do.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by Paracetamol
I don't see how I can answer this properly as it's not really a proper question. But people like the music they like as chance said. And if you like a type of music then surely you're also entitled to think it's great? The way you state 'becoming emo' confuses me as I see 'emo' only as a label for a particular music genre.

However, if you are refering to the way in which people attach labels to themselves to make themselves look 'cool' or whatever, then the answer to your question would be: 'because these people are insecure, like the majority of us, and take comfort in attaching themselves to what they perceive to be a stable identity'

In my opinion, at least.

yeah except that emo currently carries with it more than just music. it includes a hell of a lot of fashion and has done for a long time.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by T3aRs 0f ScRl3t
thats my point.....thats what i was saying..... what would make any hardcore kid better than anyone else?..... evryones equal on their own opinion and therefore there is no better or worse music or people.....

So can some people not be considered better than others?

[Paracetamol]

...which I think it quite amusing. Isn't it interesting how people who like the same music dress similarly?! Aaaah, conformity, especially anti-conformity frustrates me.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by xsecx
I know I do.

I consider myself better than a lot of people but i'm unsure if its because of the music i listen too

[sy bass]

how can u feel superiour to other people, the only reason you can is that they do things they might regret when there drunk/stoned woteva

[straightXed]

Originally posted by sy bass
how can u feel superiour to other people, the only reason you can is that they do things they might regret when there drunk/stoned woteva

i'm not feeling superior because i don't drink, some people are just very shit.

[xvunderx]

Originally posted by straightXed
i'm not feeling superior because i don't drink, some people are just very shit.

Very good point.

[T3aRs 0f ScRl3t]

Although it does contradict my last remark..... at times i do feel myself better than the people who do not have any struggles in life.....the people who have their whole life planned out for them and not have a chance to actually live..... but at the same time i dont feel better than them.... i feel for them as if guilt because i have the power to make descisions that will guide my life and others may not get this chance.....

[words are dreams]

Originally posted by foreverinaday
i i dont consider what people call emo now emo like taking back sunday and get up kids and the faint and all that shit brights too i consider stuff like saetia emo and hot cross and mewithoutyou but most people dont
well, you're closer to being right than they are.

[words are dreams]

Originally posted by xsecx
yeah except that emo currently carries with it more than just music. it includes a hell of a lot of fashion and has done for a long time.
when did the "emo fashion" become attached to the music? when did this happen to punk? or hardcore even? it seems that in many genres of music, eventually a style or fashion becomes irrevocably linked to it. i wonder if this is inevitable. of course, in any genre that has become victim to a certain fashion there are listeners, creators even, of music in that genre who are unswayed by the fashion. don't most genres carry with them more than just the music, whether this be a philosophy, attitude, fashion, or something else? i guess i just don't see how this would discredit or shame any particular genre of music.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by words are dreams
when did the "emo fashion" become attached to the music? when did this happen to punk? or hardcore even? it seems that in many genres of music, eventually a style or fashion becomes irrevocably linked to it. i wonder if this is inevitable. of course, in any genre that has become victim to a certain fashion there are listeners, creators even, of music in that genre who are unswayed by the fashion. don't most genres carry with them more than just the music, whether this be a philosophy, attitude, fashion, or something else? i guess i just don't see how this would discredit or shame any particular genre of music.

of course there are genre's where fashion is taken hand in hand with substance. There are genre's where fashion is a side effect and genre's there it's centerstage. emo and goth, it's right in the middle waving happily. It discredit's and shames it when it's deliberate and when it's written about inthe mass media.

[words are dreams]

Originally posted by xsecx
of course there are genre's where fashion is taken hand in hand with substance. There are genre's where fashion is a side effect and genre's there it's centerstage. emo and goth, it's right in the middle waving happily. It discredit's and shames it when it's deliberate and when it's written about inthe mass media.
like i asked already, when did the "emo fashion" become attached to the music?

do you believe that the addition of a fashion to a genre of music is inevitable?

so, until a genre's fashion is written about in the mass media, the genre's music (you know, what actually matters...) is not discredited? so, punk is certainly discredited. hip-hop, discredited. emo, discredited. hardcore... a matter of time, if it hasn't already been?

if you listen to "emo" bands, read interviews, talk them to personally, etc, most of them care nothing about the fashion that the media has created. it is about the music. in every genre there are people who care more about the fashion than the music and philosophy (see: fashioncore), but do these people completely destroy any credibility the rest of the genre has? does a group of fans of the music take away from the bands who actually create the music? i'd say not.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by words are dreams
like i asked already, when did the "emo fashion" become attached to the music?

do you believe that the addition of a fashion to a genre of music is inevitable?

so, until a genre's fashion is written about in the mass media, the genre's music (you know, what actually matters...) is not discredited? so, punk is certainly discredited. hip-hop, discredited. emo, discredited. hardcore... a matter of time, if it hasn't already been?

if you listen to "emo" bands, read interviews, talk them to personally, etc, most of them care nothing about the fashion that the media has created. it is about the music. in every genre there are people who care more about the fashion than the music and philosophy (see: fashioncore), but do these people completely destroy any credibility the rest of the genre has? does a group of fans of the music take away from the bands who actually create the music? i'd say not.

early 90s.

and it's not a matter of the addition of fashion, it's fashion becoming an integral part. People who like the same kind of music tend to gravitate toward similar things, but the whole emo fad is something altogether different. It's to the point where it's completely cliche.

you talk about the fashion like the media created it when that's just not the case at all. it existed long before it became the hip cool thing.

[coughslashcool]

people probably like emo because theres a lot of really good emo bands.

[words are dreams]

Originally posted by xsecx
early 90s.

and it's not a matter of the addition of fashion, it's fashion becoming an integral part. People who like the same kind of music tend to gravitate toward similar things, but the whole emo fad is something altogether different. It's to the point where it's completely cliche.

you talk about the fashion like the media created it when that's just not the case at all. it existed long before it became the hip cool thing.
how does the "emo fad" differ from, say, the "punk fad" or any other music-based fad? and i'll ask again, do you believe that it is inevitable for a genre of music to eventually incorporate a fashion? how has the "emo fashion" become an integral part of the music if the bands who create and put out the music have nothing to do, and in cases, want nothing to do with the fashion? i'm not disagreeing that the fashion is cliche, i'm disagreeing with you because you seem to be saying that the music is somehow discredited by a fashion that has nothing to do with the music itself. i also wonder if you believe all punk music to be discredited, simply because the fashion has become so cliche, tiresome, and widespread. does this mean there are not punk bands out there putting out good music?

[xsecx]

Originally posted by words are dreams
how does the "emo fad" differ from, say, the "punk fad" or any other music-based fad? and i'll ask again, do you believe that it is inevitable for a genre of music to eventually incorporate a fashion? how has the "emo fashion" become an integral part of the music if the bands who create and put out the music have nothing to do, and in cases, want nothing to do with the fashion? i'm not disagreeing that the fashion is cliche, i'm disagreeing with you because you seem to be saying that the music is somehow discredited by a fashion that has nothing to do with the music itself. i also wonder if you believe all punk music to be discredited, simply because the fashion has become so cliche, tiresome, and widespread. does this mean there are not punk bands out there putting out good music?

The fad's don't differ. Same shit, different times.

if you read what I wrote you would see that I answered your question.

Emo fashion is an integral part of the people involved in emo. If it wasn't, you couldn't easily identify people, but because of the cliche's you can. And if they what nothing to do with the fashion then why do they still all dress the same, look the same and buy into the cliches? you're trying to make it sound like emo is somehow above such things when it clearly isn't.

punk is dead and has been for a long time.

[flame_still_burns]

here is the thing about fashion.

hardcore definitely has it's fashion. as does 'emo' and hip-hop. i'm not going to sit here and try to sell you that somehow hardcore is above fashion. the difference is though... the fashion in hardcore seems to be rooted more in classic styles... t-shirts, pants, hoodies, athletic shoes, etc. it's kind of the difference in looking at pictures for the 1950's verses the 1970's. when you look back at the 50's and someone is wearing some jeans and a t-shirt with chuck taylors, it looks cool. when i look at pictures from the 70's and people are wearing burnt orange polyester bell bottom suits with 4 inch lapels, it makes you cringe.

i firmly beleive that straightedge hardcore is just as fashion conscious as anything else, honestly, kids are paying 200 dollars for schism shirts. but i think also that the message behind straightedge is the thing that sets this apart. with 'emo'(i really wish there was a better word) i beleive that it did or perhaps still has de-evolved into more of a cliche that lacks substance. does the answer lie in a real emotion? or is it a chance for kids who were never cool anywhere else suddenly have a taste of it by being so revolutionary as to wear tight highwater pants? i dunno. of course i say this one the outside looking in... there may be bands out there that have re-invented the genre.

plus no one will ever do it 1/16th as well as rites of spring. so why bother?

[words are dreams]

Originally posted by xsecx
The fad's don't differ. Same shit, different times.

if you read what I wrote you would see that I answered your question.

Emo fashion is an integral part of the people involved in emo. If it wasn't, you couldn't easily identify people, but because of the cliche's you can. And if they what nothing to do with the fashion then why do they still all dress the same, look the same and buy into the cliches? you're trying to make it sound like emo is somehow above such things when it clearly isn't.

punk is dead and has been for a long time.

so is the fashion an inevitable part of any and all music genres?

if so, if it is something that just happens, then i don't see how we can hold that against the genre itself, regardless of how ridiculous we may or may not think the fashion is. isn't the music what really matters in the end?

as for emo, the emo bands that i have seen and known and talked to don't look the part. it seems to be the fans who are most often the walking cliches. perhaps it's simply different where i am, perhaps not. but the "emo" bands i have seen (those bands who attract an "emo" crowd) have not dressed in emo fashion. to me, the bands, the people who are actually creating the music, are what is vital and most important to the scene. without them, there would be no emo scene. likewise in other genres and scenes. fashion is secondary to the music itself.

i haven't argued that there is no "emo fashion". i agree, there is. just as there is a fashion in every genre. but what i am arguing is that these fashions are not a factor in the validity or importance of the music being created.

[words are dreams]

Originally posted by flame_still_burns
here is the thing about fashion.

hardcore definitely has it's fashion. as does 'emo' and hip-hop. i'm not going to sit here and try to sell you that somehow hardcore is above fashion. the difference is though... the fashion in hardcore seems to be rooted more in classic styles... t-shirts, pants, hoodies, athletic shoes, etc. it's kind of the difference in looking at pictures for the 1950's verses the 1970's. when you look back at the 50's and someone is wearing some jeans and a t-shirt with chuck taylors, it looks cool. when i look at pictures from the 70's and people are wearing burnt orange polyester bell bottom suits with 4 inch lapels, it makes you cringe.

it doesn't really make me cringe, so i guess that part is really a matter of taste. i don't really care what people wear. wear whatever you like to wear.


i firmly beleive that straightedge hardcore is just as fashion conscious as anything else, honestly, kids are paying 200 dollars for schism shirts. but i think also that the message behind straightedge is the thing that sets this apart. with 'emo'(i really wish there was a better word) i beleive that it did or perhaps still has de-evolved into more of a cliche that lacks substance. does the answer lie in a real emotion? or is it a chance for kids who were never cool anywhere else suddenly have a taste of it by being so revolutionary as to wear tight highwater pants? i dunno. of course i say this one the outside looking in... there may be bands out there that have re-invented the genre.

i'd like to say that there are bands out there working to reinvent the genre. yaphet kotto and this bright apocalypse both come to mind. both create innovative, emotional, and in my opinion, important music without falling victim to the cliches.

i guess, the fashion doesn't really matter to me, it's kind of an inevitable result (negative or positive, who cares) of the music. to me, it's the impact the music has on me personally that matters. who cares about the rest?


plus no one will ever do it 1/16th as well as rites of spring. so why bother?
haha, yeah they are good.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by words are dreams
so is the fashion an inevitable part of any and all music genres?

if so, if it is something that just happens, then i don't see how we can hold that against the genre itself, regardless of how ridiculous we may or may not think the fashion is. isn't the music what really matters in the end?

as for emo, the emo bands that i have seen and known and talked to don't look the part. it seems to be the fans who are most often the walking cliches. perhaps it's simply different where i am, perhaps not. but the "emo" bands i have seen (those bands who attract an "emo" crowd) have not dressed in emo fashion. to me, the bands, the people who are actually creating the music, are what is vital and most important to the scene. without them, there would be no emo scene. likewise in other genres and scenes. fashion is secondary to the music itself.

i haven't argued that there is no "emo fashion". i agree, there is. just as there is a fashion in every genre. but what i am arguing is that these fashions are not a factor in the validity or importance of the music being created.

if it's a youth oriented subculture, then yes. the issue isn't a genre having a fashion. the issue is that emo fashion, much like punk, has become cliche and as a side effect emo as a whole has become cliche. If the music really mattered and existed seperately then the fashion wouldn't STILL have center stage and the kids wouldn't all look identical. and dude. I've known billy from saetia and hot cross for a long time and he is the epitome of the emo fashion whore. the simple fact that people buy into, give importance, and encourage the fashion over the substance is exactly the reason why emo is a joke.

I'd go as far as to say reach the sky or give up the ghost are infinitely more emo than any "emo" band in the last 10 years.

[coughslashcool]

Originally posted by xsecx
if it's a youth oriented subculture, then yes. the issue isn't a genre having a fashion. the issue is that emo fashion, much like punk, has become cliche and as a side effect emo as a whole has become cliche. If the music really mattered and existed seperately then the fashion wouldn't STILL have center stage and the kids wouldn't all look identical. and dude. I've known billy from saetia and hot cross for a long time and he is the epitome of the emo fashion whore. the simple fact that people buy into, give importance, and encourage the fashion over the substance is exactly the reason why emo is a joke.

I'd go as far as to say reach the sky or give up the ghost are infinitely more emo than any "emo" band in the last 10 years.

its the same thing with hardcore. hardcore has turned into a fashion fad. guys wearing girl jeans, big belt buckles, faux hawks. not to mention there are a handful of bands that still have a message, and isnt some drivvle about some girl or crappy cryptic poetry that looks like a jr high kid wrote after reading e e cummings or something.

yaphet kotto is a good emo band, and theyre somewhat newer.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by coughslashcool
its the same thing with hardcore. hardcore has turned into a fashion fad. guys wearing girl jeans, big belt buckles, faux hawks. not to mention there are a handful of bands that still have a message, and isnt some drivvle about some girl or crappy cryptic poetry that looks like a jr high kid wrote after reading e e cummings or something.

yaphet kotto is a good emo band, and theyre somewhat newer.

it's not even on the same level yet. Hardcore has internal fashion fads and always did but it hasn't spilled out into mainstream consciousness as "hardcore fashion"

[coughslashcool]

Originally posted by xsecx
it's not even on the same level yet. Hardcore has internal fashion fads and always did but it hasn't spilled out into mainstream consciousness as "hardcore fashion"

yeah it has. i see a dozen kids walking down the street that look like kids that go to hardcore shows. its out there. its on mtv. kids that have absolutely no idea what hardcore really is sporting bleeding through, afi, or some other band that isnt at all related to hardcore, and they think thats what hardcore is. ive had kids come into my work wearing a poison the well shirt and a static lullaby shirt, and making fun of them i asked them if they were all about hardcore. of course they said yeah, but didnt know any of the bands i said. hardcore is all over the place now. average kids are looking a lot more like kids at shows. not so much the style of cargo shorts and hoodies, but the fashioncore look. it may not be as popular as punk fashion, but its still out there.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by coughslashcool
yeah it has. i see a dozen kids walking down the street that look like kids that go to hardcore shows. its out there. its on mtv. kids that have absolutely no idea what hardcore really is sporting bleeding through, afi, or some other band that isnt at all related to hardcore, and they think thats what hardcore is. ive had kids come into my work wearing a poison the well shirt and a static lullaby shirt, and making fun of them i asked them if they were all about hardcore. of course they said yeah, but didnt know any of the bands i said. hardcore is all over the place now. average kids are looking a lot more like kids at shows. not so much the style of cargo shorts and hoodies, but the fashioncore look. it may not be as popular as punk fashion, but its still out there.

yeah, but it's not unique to hardcore and didn't come from it, that's the point. The emo thing is from itself.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2002/Jan/08/il/il01a.html

find me an equivalent article for hardcore.

[T3aRs 0f ScRl3t]

Originally posted by coughslashcool
its the same thing with hardcore. hardcore has turned into a fashion fad. guys wearing girl jeans, big belt buckles, faux hawks.

yaphet kotto is a good emo band, and theyre somewhat newer.

Whats wrong with big belt buckles?

[words are dreams]

Originally posted by xsecx
if it's a youth oriented subculture, then yes. the issue isn't a genre having a fashion. the issue is that emo fashion, much like punk, has become cliche and as a side effect emo as a whole has become cliche. If the music really mattered and existed seperately then the fashion wouldn't STILL have center stage and the kids wouldn't all look identical. and dude. I've known billy from saetia and hot cross for a long time and he is the epitome of the emo fashion whore. the simple fact that people buy into, give importance, and encourage the fashion over the substance is exactly the reason why emo is a joke.

I'd go as far as to say reach the sky or give up the ghost are infinitely more emo than any "emo" band in the last 10 years.
how does the fashion becoming cliche (a matter of opinion, by the way) affect the music that is created? i still hear good music coming out. the bands i've seen had nothing to do with fashion. they are trying to create passionate, intensely interesting music. that creation, that beauty, is their goal. not who has the thicker glasses.

every genre has it's idiots who buy into the fashion and value it more importantly than the music, but until this is an absolute with every single band/person in the "emo scene" doing that, emo will remain important to those others (i'd say the majority) who are into the music FOR the music, regardless of the other stuff.

as for reach the sky or give up the ghost being emo, um... sorry. maybe if they actually played emo music... and it seems kind of silly for you, or anyone for that matter, to believe such an assumption, as if you have heard every emo band who has been around within the past ten years.

[words are dreams]

Originally posted by xsecx
yeah, but it's not unique to hardcore and didn't come from it, that's the point. The emo thing is from itself.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2002/Jan/08/il/il01a.html

find me an equivalent article for hardcore.
so, emo has less credibility than hardcore because emo has a more unique fashion?

p.s. that link didn't work for me.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by words are dreams
how does the fashion becoming cliche (a matter of opinion, by the way) affect the music that is created? i still hear good music coming out. the bands i've seen had nothing to do with fashion. they are trying to create passionate, intensely interesting music. that creation, that beauty, is their goal. not who has the thicker glasses.

every genre has it's idiots who buy into the fashion and value it more importantly than the music, but until this is an absolute with every single band/person in the "emo scene" doing that, emo will remain important to those others (i'd say the majority) who are into the music FOR the music, regardless of the other stuff.

as for reach the sky or give up the ghost being emo, um... sorry. maybe if they actually played emo music... and it seems kind of silly for you, or anyone for that matter, to believe such an assumption, as if you have heard every emo band who has been around within the past ten years.

so none of the bands you listen to look the same? they all exist seperate from the fashion? If the music was just music, like jazz or the blues then maybe you've have a point, but it doesn't. It doesn't exist outside the bounds of a subculture. And when the majority are worried about appearance over substance, which just about EVERY emo kid I've ever met has been, it's a bit hard to take it seriously. Especially when they go to great lengths to let you know just how emo they are. I've yet to meet a kid who is really into emo that I was shocked when I found out.

wait, you just said emo music was: "passionate, intensely interesting music. " both of those bands would fit the bill. What is emo then? What makes a band emo?

[xsecx]

Originally posted by words are dreams
so, emo has less credibility than hardcore because emo has a more unique fashion?

p.s. that link didn't work for me.

if by unique you mean cliche, sure.

you might want to try the link again. I've tried it with both browsers and it works fine. The board software doesn't set links apart and truncates them, but they are still linkable.

[coughslashcool]

Originally posted by T3aRs 0f ScRl3t
Whats wrong with big belt buckles?

nothing was wrong with them until every goddamn kid at every goddamn show started wearing them.

[coughslashcool]

Originally posted by xsecx
yeah, but it's not unique to hardcore and didn't come from it, that's the point. The emo thing is from itself.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2002/Jan/08/il/il01a.html

find me an equivalent article for hardcore.

because i dont have an article about hardcore fashion doesnt mean that it isnt out there. emo is bigger than hardcore is, but hardcore is getting out there.

after that afi video came out with all those kids dancing, wearing bandanas and sporting X's, i saw soooo many kids dancing and wearing bandanas at shows that they shouldnt be doing that at, bands that are mtv hardcore. wearing bandanas over your face and hardcore dancing is deffinetly hardcore, while the dancing isnt a fashion, its still hardcore and its becoming popular.

[straightXed]

Originally posted by coughslashcool
because i dont have an article about hardcore fashion doesnt mean that it isnt out there. emo is bigger than hardcore is, but hardcore is getting out there.

after that afi video came out with all those kids dancing, wearing bandanas and sporting X's, i saw soooo many kids dancing and wearing bandanas at shows that they shouldnt be doing that at, bands that are mtv hardcore. wearing bandanas over your face and hardcore dancing is deffinetly hardcore, while the dancing isnt a fashion, its still hardcore and its becoming popular.

heres a fun experiment you can try:

Type "emo fashion" into google, look at the results.

then type "hardcore fashion" into google and compare the two results:)

[coughslashcool]

Originally posted by straightXed
heres a fun experiment you can try:

Type "emo fashion" into google, look at the results.

then type "hardcore fashion" into google and compare the two results:)

that still doesnt disprove the fact that hardcore fashion is gaining popularity.

[xsecx]

Originally posted by coughslashcool
that still doesnt disprove the fact that hardcore fashion is gaining popularity.

except that it doesn't have anything to do with what's being talked about here. Right now emo fashion is cliche. Right now hardcore fashion is not. When and if it does happen, then it'll be relevant, but none of this takes away from one simple fact. emo is fashionable. and for the most part cliche.

[coughslashcool]

Originally posted by xsecx
except that it doesn't have anything to do with what's being talked about here. Right now emo fashion is cliche. Right now hardcore fashion is not. When and if it does happen, then it'll be relevant, but none of this takes away from one simple fact. emo is fashionable. and for the most part cliche.

ok