Feminism

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

Just want to know your view on the subject :)

[linsee]

What do you mean by view?

I consider myself a feminist. I'm very vocal when it comes to a lot of issues, I like to take action and be heard. I've done a lot of different networking and been a part of a lot of different causes.

[xGriffox]

I'm a feminist and (anatomically) a male.
I am heavily involved with Bluestockings Books in NYC which is a feminist/radical book store.
I am in staunch opposition to the gender binary system and the current hetero-normative society that exists throughout the world today.

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

What do you mean by view?

I consider myself a feminist. I'm very vocal when it comes to a lot of issues, I like to take action and be heard. I've done a lot of different networking and been a part of a lot of different causes.

I also consider myself a feminist, I find it difficult to get good conversations about issues and activity within my group of friends. Its seems alot of peoples opinions seem to be there is no place for feminist thought or theory and action in theis day and age. I just wanted to know what peoples views were here and maybe generate some interesting conversations :)

Being an artist i have studies and enjoy alot of the feminist works, especially from the late 70's and 80's and seeing how far the subject has come within the art world.

what sort of causes have you been involved in :)

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

I'm a feminist and (anatomically) a male.
I am heavily involved with Bluestockings Books in NYC which is a feminist/radical book store.
I am in staunch opposition to the gender binary system and the current hetero-normative society that exists throughout the world today.


that sounds pretty interesting, is there an online store or just the actual shop in NY :)

[xGriffox]

just an actual shop. it's on Allen Street right below Houston if you are ever in the city.
http://bluestockings.com/

[linsee]

I also consider myself a feminist, I find it difficult to get good conversations about issues and activity within my group of friends. Its seems alot of peoples opinions seem to be there is no place for feminist thought or theory and action in theis day and age. I just wanted to know what peoples views were here and maybe generate some interesting conversations :)

Being an artist i have studies and enjoy alot of the feminist works, especially from the late 70's and 80's and seeing how far the subject has come within the art world.

what sort of causes have you been involved in :)

I've done a lot of different equal rights rallies with different groups, done a lot of networking via the computer. I also was very vocal when I was younger in the local scene when it came to how women were/are treated at shows. It frustrates me when I see blatently unfair practices taking place, and I've never had a problem questioning them.

Most recently some conversation at work turned kind of ugly when a few men voiced their opinion about how I had no place being in management because I was a woman. Needless to say I knocked them on their asses with some things I had to say back to them.

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

Yeah, i have no problem with the questioning its the responses that get to me, well lack of responses. It seems no one even cares about feminist issues, that its something that was in the past and is no place for it anymore when there blatantly is.

Im glad to hear you put them on there asses, in my last job i was talking about some issues with my work mates and the only thing i got was 'so...your a lebian then' and stupid remarks about whether i shave my legs or not. Its rediculous it really is. I can just imagine how annoyed you must have been by comments about how being a woman you shouldnt be in a manager position.

[Just-a-fool]

I'm strongly shocked when a person around me states a chauvinist comment,
that however doesnt make me a feminist... i guess i'm no real feminist in the way of pursuing equal payments for the same job and such.
I think a person on it self should be judged, and not a whole gender.

[mouseman004]

Just want to know your view on the subject :)

I belieive in equality for men and women, but I do not support most radical feminist movements.

[Sociocidal]

I think a lot of feminism today is distorted from the original goal and ideal. Equality between all people should be the goal and mindset of every human being, but unfortunately it has turn the tables on male supremacists to female supremacist, in the media for example the image of masculinity has been paralleled to idiocy, brutish savagery and primitive nature. This is an unfair and irrational, just as the image of femininity of being weak and submissive is unfair and irrational.

The idea that women should be in the home and kitchen is insanely wrong, just as the idea that a house wife is a waste of a woman is wrong. If that is the woman's choice, then how is it wrong? Isn't the point in freedom choice? Why is it that the idea of a house husband is thought of as progressive and modern yet a house wife is backwards?

As far as sexual repression goes, I think a man sleeping around is just as wrong as woman doing it. In the bedroom (or wherever else it may accrue) any sexual act between consenting adults is up to them. There is I have noticed a prevailing thought ( in neo-feminism) that oral sex, e.g. blow jobs, are sexual repression. How? Is a man reciprocating the act being suppressed? Or what about between to men? Are they repressing each other?

The female suppression in religion is abominable, in Islam especially. it is my strong belief that peace and freedom in the middle east lies in the revolution of the women of the middle east.

May have rambled incoherently a bit... if so sorry about that :p

[xCrucialDudex]

As far as sexual repression goes, I think a man sleeping around is just as wrong as woman doing it.

How exactly is it wrong?

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

May have rambled incoherently a bit... if so sorry about that :p

no way i thoughly enjoyed reading your points, i find them valid and i agree on the most part of what your saying.

I personally do not like extreme, overpowering feminism. Sometimes i read 'man hater' things people have written and it strikes me that this has gone from bad to worse. I see no difference between supressing women for being women to hating men...just cause there men. Its all about equality to me. I read one thing about the city of Manchester, that the name should be changed to 'peoplechester' I laughed at how ridiculous it was >_< I feel the same about the Oral sex issue, there is nothing in my opinion thats repressive about it.

I also think that it isnt fair that a man who sleeps around is a 'studd' and a woman who does it is a 'whore'. I personally dont agree with sleeping around, but if someone wants to do it then who cares, its up to them isnt it.

[CarlaRant]

no way i thoughly enjoyed reading your points, i find them valid and i agree on the most part of what your saying.

I personally do not like extreme, overpowering feminism. Sometimes i read 'man hater' things people have written and it strikes me that this has gone from bad to worse. I see no difference between supressing women for being women to hating men...just cause there men. Its all about equality to me. I read one thing about the city of Manchester, that the name should be changed to 'peoplechester' I laughed at how ridiculous it was >_< I feel the same about the Oral sex issue, there is nothing in my opinion thats repressive about it.

I also think that it isnt fair that a man who sleeps around is a 'studd' and a woman who does it is a 'whore'. I personally dont agree with sleeping around, but if someone wants to do it then who cares, its up to them isnt it.

Sing it sister!

[Sociocidal]

How exactly is it wrong?

Its for a start irresponsible, the risk of STD's even using protection is incredibly high with multiple partners. Secondly, it shows complete disrespect of both your self and your partner. It is however as x.Xmiss_SmogX.x said up to them. My statement of thinking it wrong is as I said, I think its wrong, just as i think drugs and alcohol are pointless. Someone else wants to do it its up to them.
However, when sleeping around is concerned there isn't just one person involved. If the actions of one hurt someone else without the hurt being the will of the receiving party, then surely the action is wrong? Everyone has the right to self expression and freedom of choice (so far as the insanely strict laws in place will allow, see part 5 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act, Britain) but when this comes in direct conflict and violation of another persons happiness and well being then surely its morally wrong?

[xCrucialDudex]

Its for a start irresponsible, the risk of STD's even using protection is incredibly high with multiple partners. Secondly, it shows complete disrespect of both your self and your partner. It is however as x.Xmiss_SmogX.x said up to them. My statement of thinking it wrong is as I said, I think its wrong, just as i think drugs and alcohol are pointless. Someone else wants to do it its up to them.
However, when sleeping around is concerned there isn't just one person involved. If the actions of one hurt someone else without the hurt being the will of the receiving party, then surely the action is wrong? Everyone has the right to self expression and freedom of choice (so far as the insanely strict laws in place will allow, see part 5 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act, Britain) but when this comes in direct conflict and violation of another persons happiness and well being then surely its morally wrong?

So, you're basically saying that sleeping around while in a committed relationship is wrong. I agree with that. I don't agree that "sleeping around" while you're not in a serious relationship is somehow wrong, though.

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

So, you're basically saying that sleeping around while in a committed relationship is wrong. I agree with that. I don't agree that "sleeping around" while you're not in a serious relationship is somehow wrong, though.


Yeah thats your choice, i just dont like the thought of having meaningless, casual sex. As there is the point of spreading std's and in most of these 'no string' situations someone most always ends up getting hurt. I just like to have sex within a relationship where it means something to both people involved.

But whatever anyones views are on the subject, remember safe sex is the best sex

[xCrucialDudex]

But whatever anyones views are on the subject, remember safe sex is the best sex

And the safest sex is no sex.

[xsecx]

And the safest sex is no sex.

well no, then it isn't sex, is it?

[XAdrenalineX]

I am in staunch opposition to the gender binary system and the current hetero-normative society that exists throughout the world today.

Same here.

I am profoundly opposed to gender roles in society. All they do is oppress people. I see no value in insisting that men and women conform to their roles. It just means they have to struggle to alter themselves to suit society's expectations, when they could be spending their mental energy elsewhere.

[Sociocidal]

i just dont like the thought of having meaningless, casual sex. As there is the point of spreading std's and in most of these 'no string' situations someone most always ends up getting hurt. I just like to have sex within a relationship where it means something to both people involved.

This is exactly my point in this regard. Its virtual impossible to have a "no strings" situation. Someone gets hurt.

[beave]

Same here.

I am profoundly opposed to gender roles in society. All they do is oppress people. I see no value in insisting that men and women conform to their roles. It just means they have to struggle to alter themselves to suit society's expectations, when they could be spending their mental energy elsewhere.

That quote is probably the best way to describe my opinions of feminism, I am a feminist because as a female drummer within a male dominated music scene I have to stick up for my rights. Already I have been denied the opportunity to play music once because of the fact that I am female and I am 16, that is the epitome of oppression. Who cares that I am a bit rougher, don't care about sex and anyone else's personal opinions, I am pretty sure I can match it on the drumkit with most guys and play just as hard (if not harder) as they can.

Down with restrictive thinking, Up with equality

P.S. Sorry to ramble lol

[Sociocidal]

That quote is probably the best way to describe my opinions of feminism, I am a feminist because as a female drummer within a male dominated music scene I have to stick up for my rights. Already I have been denied the opportunity to play music once because of the fact that I am female and I am 16, that is the epitome of oppression. Who cares that I am a bit rougher, don't care about sex and anyone else's personal opinions, I am pretty sure I can match it on the drumkit with most guys and play just as hard (if not harder) as they can.

I know exactly what you mean, (not for my self obviously I being born on the privileged end of the stick that is the double standard) but friends of mine who are trying to get anywhere in music seem to always be put down, as though there just naturally not capable, but this complete bull. The idea stands in them that only guys can be "hardcore", and that's such crap. and from a sub-culture like hardcore and straight edge that evolved from punk, its completely hypocritical.
Its just the same in gaming too, on the likes of world of warcraft, call of duty, counter strike, the idea is that only guys can play and girls are a novelty unable to keep up.

P.S No need to apologise if its a decent ramble:)

[Lifestyle_X]

i just know that i hate it when males think that they are 'superior' to females.
men that act all tough about how they think women should be treated and how they tread their own wives... it makes me sad and angry.
we are all equal

[beave]

I know exactly what you mean, (not for my self obviously I being born on the privileged end of the stick that is the double standard) but friends of mine who are trying to get anywhere in music seem to always be put down, as though there just naturally not capable, but this complete bull. The idea stands in them that only guys can be "hardcore", and that's such crap. and from a sub-culture like hardcore and straight edge that evolved from punk, its completely hypocritical.
Its just the same in gaming too, on the likes of world of warcraft, call of duty, counter strike, the idea is that only guys can play and girls are a novelty unable to keep up.

P.S No need to apologise if its a decent ramble:)

ha thanks a lot, actually at school they are introducing pant's for girls in winter and my math teacher asked today 'who would wear them' and myself and some other girls in my class (who put personal image second) raised our hands and on the other side of the classroom after he said that and we raised our hands, I saw a guy whisper to his mates that 'all the tomboys put their hands up.' That was just today, there is still that mentality that girls should wear dresses and speak when spoken to. Pants in winter are a practical option, as soon as I hit high school I stopped playing sport at lunch because of skirts and many girls go through so many pairs of stockings in winter due to tearing.
Also a teacher last term called me 'Butch' and when in passing I mentioned it to my mother she was furious. She called the school and needless to say, I got a humble apology and he did some arse kissing lol!

[Veskou]

Well... I'm not sure if I'm feminist (haven't given any thoughts about it) but I sure am ANTI-SEXIST!

BTW you're a cute girl, so I'm a 100% feminist with you! :D

[lo0m]

BTW you're a cute girl, so I'm a 100% feminist with you! :D

so anti-sexist :-)

[beave]

Haha thankyou for your compliment Veskou, you did contradict yourself a bit though considering we are talking about feminism here but I suppose it depends upon your definition of cute lol. But I just thought I would point out some of the stuff I hear on a daily basis, I am not trying to rant it just annoys me that everyone has to fit into the images of mainstream society and what is presented in the media. And obviously I am not about that, which I am sure most of you have figured. Haha!

[MrMcKeigue]

As long as they know what equal rights truly is, I stand with it. Since the beginning of it all, there have always been equal rights standers who are never satisfied, so far into it that it simply becomes uneven into the other side of the scale. One of these would be black-only scholarships. To me, this is a load of bull. There is absolutely nothing I can do to make myself black, nor does it apply to my financial situation in any way, so it's basically just a giant middle finger. Is it about my ancestors? So sorry I didn't go back in time to change their actions. A white scholarship would be racist and the removal of black scholarships would be considered a barricade to their "movement." Of course, this is just ONE example of equal rights being taken too far. Equal rights is fine, but its adherents need to remember the key word: equal.

As for sex, I choose to live abstinent up until marriage for the person whom I believe I truly love. It really doesn't get any closer between two people than intercourse, so I believe you should save it for the one you're truly passionate about. You can say, "Hey, I love you so much, it's all for you." Not, "I've been with two other girls, fuck me." (Sorry if I was a bit overly brutal with that)

Anyway, this post contains what I believe, not what's right and wrong, so take it as is.

[straightXed]

As long as they know what equal rights truly is, I stand with it. Since the beginning of it all, there have always been equal rights standers who are never satisfied, so far into it that it simply becomes uneven into the other side of the scale. One of these would be black-only scholarships. To me, this is a load of bull. There is absolutely nothing I can do to make myself black, nor does it apply to my financial situation in any way, so it's basically just a giant middle finger. Is it about my ancestors? So sorry I didn't go back in time to change their actions. A white scholarship would be racist and the removal of black scholarships would be considered a barricade to their "movement." Of course, this is just ONE example of equal rights being taken too far. Equal rights is fine, but its adherents need to remember the key word: equal.

As for sex, I choose to live abstinent up until marriage for the person whom I believe I truly love. It really doesn't get any closer between two people than intercourse, so I believe you should save it for the one you're truly passionate about. You can say, "Hey, I love you so much, it's all for you." Not, "I've been with two other girls, fuck me." (Sorry if I was a bit overly brutal with that)

Anyway, this post contains what I believe, not what's right and wrong, so take it as is.


Isn't the reason for these scolarships to bring more diversity into an already white dominated area of education/employment? Aren't white people still elligable to scollarships? But there remains a lack of other ethnicities so they try to make an equal balance and enable more black people to give a good start in life for the next generation of black people? Is that not the idea behind them?

As for the sex thing, don't you think a healthy and compatible sex life is an important part of a relationship? Just seems to me like waiting until after you are married is leaving it a bit late if you find you really aren't compatible in that area. I mean i understand the sentiment i just think its a risky to not find out how well you work together in all main relationship aspects before making a commitment like that.

[MrMcKeigue]

Ohh, I'm so mad now. I'm need to stop posting things on the Wii. I just finished typing a long 3-paragraph response to Ed...

*You have no connection*
*You have a working network connection*

EVERYTHING I just typed vanished. Thanks Nintendo. I'll respond later, Ed. :[

[XAdrenalineX]

I'm an egalitarian. That includes being a feminist.

In other words, yes, I'm a feminist.

I still think we need feminism. Women don't entirely have equality.

This does not mean I'm a misandrist. If I see a man being discriminated against I will speak up the same as I would for a woman.