second hand smoke study

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062700710.html

with a bit of luck this will lead to nationwide indoor smoking bans.

[mouseman004]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062700710.html

with a bit of luck this will lead to nationwide indoor smoking bans.


Luckily, smoking has already been banned indoor everywhere in Ontario. A couple of years ago they banned smoking in bars or restaurants, and a couple of weeks ago it became everywhere, this even includes casinos. The legislation made me happy.

[stepinsideissue]

Good I hope it does lead to a national ban on indoor smoking.

[xvunderx]

I just feel bad for people currently working in smokey environments.

[SgtD]

i think they won't ban smoking in public places in the next 10 years over here.

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i think they won't ban smoking in public places in the next 10 years over here.

you might be surprised if the EU issues it to all member countries as a human rights issue.

[xCAMIx]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062700710.html

with a bit of luck this will lead to nationwide indoor smoking bans.
My mom got cancer that way. I still let my smoking friends smoke around me if wer'e not on my property, but I gotta admit it bugs me.

[SgtD]

you might be surprised if the EU issues it to all member countries as a human rights issue.
that's our only hope!

[Nam]

It's a shame because my college campus is so outdoorsy and nature-fanatic-friendly, but a huge portion of the student population foul the fresh air with cigarette smoke. It's the kind of thing that I'd like to get rid of but am forced to just deal with it and tolerate it.

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It's a shame because my college campus is so outdoorsy and nature-fanatic-friendly, but a huge portion of the student population foul the fresh air with cigarette smoke. It's the kind of thing that I'd like to get rid of but am forced to just deal with it and tolerate it.

at least it's outside.

[hxcsxe]

smoking in the uk is gonna be baned completly from summer next year i cant wait
fucking smokers

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smoking in the uk is gonna be baned completly from summer next year i cant wait
fucking smokers

I hadn't heard that and then looked it up. that's awesome news and almost makes going back over something to look forward to. now if they can just pass a law executing chav's the uk wouldn't be too bad.

[crissXdravan]

I really would rather they set a certain room off for smokers or something. Only because since they banned smoking in bars and restaurants around here there have been many random beatings and even some friends and people have been jumped by some nicoteen craving moron.

So no smoking in any building but bars. There should be a special room where they can go and light up, I just dont want it in my face. That way you have all the arseholes in one room and you have considerate people going outside on their own free will.

My mother smokes and it is a huge reason I became sXe and my great grand-father died of it.

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I really would rather they set a certain room off for smokers or something. Only because since they banned smoking in bars and restaurants around here there have been many random beatings and even some friends and people have been jumped by some nicoteen craving moron.

So no smoking in any building but bars. There should be a special room where they can go and light up, I just dont want it in my face. That way you have all the arseholes in one room and you have considerate people going outside on their own free will.

My mother smokes and it is a huge reason I became sXe and my great grand-father died of it.

I'd like to see the news reports of this.

[hxcsxe]

I hadn't heard that and then looked it up. that's awesome news and almost makes going back over something to look forward to. now if they can just pass a law executing chav's the uk wouldn't be too bad.

chavs dont get me started

[hxcsxe]

I really would rather they set a certain room off for smokers or something. Only because since they banned smoking in bars and restaurants around here there have been many random beatings and even some friends and people have been jumped by some nicoteen craving moron.

So no smoking in any building but bars. There should be a special room where they can go and light up, I just dont want it in my face. That way you have all the arseholes in one room and you have considerate people going outside on their own free will.

My mother smokes and it is a huge reason I became sXe and my great grand-father died of it.

i agree put them in a room where it fills up with smoke and then cant get out.
nah seroiusly i see ur point
im straight edge for loads of reasons a lame reason is i dont wanna smell like an old man

[crissXdravan]

I'd like to see the news reports of this.


Isnt something most people report since there is no way to know who it is but I have had people get broken bones, cuts, and other stuff from these drunk craving morons.

The most pissed off people in the world are people needing a smoke. Now get them drunk, piss them off by having to go outside, well those arent good combinations.

I would rather they have their own room in the back where they can smoke then have someone walking out to their car get jumped by 3 guys just because you accidentallu bumped them and said you were sorry.

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Isnt something most people report since there is no way to know who it is but I have had people get broken bones, cuts, and other stuff from these drunk craving morons.

The most pissed off people in the world are people needing a smoke. Now get them drunk, piss them off by having to go outside, well those arent good combinations.

I would rather they have their own room in the back where they can smoke then have someone walking out to their car get jumped by 3 guys just because you accidentallu bumped them and said you were sorry.

or it could be other reasons and not actually these intense nicotene cravings. if there's no evidence of it, it's just heresay and bad heresay at that. There just isn't any evidence that this is true in places where indoor smoking has been banned.

[crissXdravan]

Very true, there are just guesses but also just started happening almost everyday after the ban happened.

So its a educated guess.

So say it false then, Im just saying that an educated guess is better then a blind statement.

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Very true, there are just guesses but also just started happening almost everyday after the ban happened.

So its a educated guess.

So say it false then, Im just saying that an educated guess is better then a blind statement.

how is it an educated guess when you don't have any evidence to point to? If there aren't arrests and people aren't reporting them, then how do you know it's happened almost everyday after the ban happened?

[crissXdravan]

I use examples such as friends who have come back with black eyes and cuts after being jumped.

My coach got a broken foot from being jumped actully during the first week of the ban. Thats the educated guess.

An educated guess does not have to have for sure proof. Then its no longer a guess. An educated guess means there is information or a changing factor that can lead you to answer that may or may not be wrong.

All I know is that many of my friends go to bars almost every weekend. Until the ban none of them were ever jumped or beaten there. Now a good number of them are.

[straightXed]

I use examples such as friends who have come back with black eyes and cuts after being jumped.

Thats not evidence of nicotine related violence.


My coach got a broken foot from being jumped actully during the first week of the ban. Thats the educated guess.

No, thats coincidence, people suffered from being jumped before the ban and you have already said "since there is no way to know who it is" but somehow you can attribute the near everyday violence to smokers? Its a guess but its completely uneducated and really its a rather wild guess that doesn't take a lot of the information present on board.


An educated guess does not have to have for sure proof. Then its no longer a guess. An educated guess means there is information or a changing factor that can lead you to answer that may or may not be wrong.

An educated guess would be allowing for all the readilly available evidence to be compiled but it still falls short of a definitive conclusion so you use the evidence to point at the most probable conclusion. This isn't really what you did. An educated isn't conclusive but it uses evidence to contribute to the educated part, you don't have evidence that the people beating people even smoke let alone that the beating is at all related to the chemical effects of nicotine.


All I know is that many of my friends go to bars almost every weekend. Until the ban none of them were ever jumped or beaten there. Now a good number of them are.

But this doesn't take into account the huge myraid of possibilities that could have been the cause, it also acts as if violence didn't occur before the ban. Just because your friends didn't get jumped or beaten before doesn't mean it wasn't happening to others. You've taken a rather strenuous coincidence and tried to suggest that makes your guess an educated one, it doesn't.

And i'll even take on board the possibility that the smoking ban is somehow a contributor, so why would you condone the sale of a substance thats withdrawal would cause mindless violence? Why would you condone a market for a lethal substance just because their reaction to not being allowed it in certain areas is anti-social and law-breaking? Wouldn't you want to make this drug one that is not socially acceptable not only for its effect passively on others but also based on this evidence on its ability to change character of individuals to a menacing threat on peoples safety? If indeed the violence was rooted in peoples need for nicotine i would suggest focussed policing along with the ban instead of giving a message suggesting nicotine is ok if you smoke it in a certain area.

[crissXdravan]

Hell, I would agree, it would be better if they had more policing there and then I would say "Make them go outside." but as it is right now, there isnt. So unless someone sends a letter to the editor it wont happen. I can only use my own area as an example and Im talking about my own area.

[straightXed]

Hell, I would agree, it would be better if they had more policing there and then I would say "Make them go outside." but as it is right now, there isnt.

But you weren't even considering that, you were suggested that bars provide them a smoking environment which employees would have to maintain which isn't really fair on them. And outside is still a public place where passive smoking is just as bad. Making them go outside would still be condoning the usage of the substance which wouldn't need any more policing than it does already. I was suggesting the policing as a preventive measure for the alleged nicotine cravings that cause violence but to justify that extra policing you would have to justify that bans on smoking cause smokers to bring forth a daily occurance of public threat. This is something that is still completely unsubstantial.




So unless someone sends a letter to the editor it wont happen. I can only use my own area as an example and Im talking about my own area.

I am unsure of which editor you are refering to but i feel that the reason it hasn't happened is because the notion you are suggesting isn't supported. Its an uneducated suggestion that would need fabric for counter measures to be put in place. Now if there were people pressing charges on people for violent attacks then the reason of the attacks would come to light, as it is the reason being nicotine craving for a near everyday occurance of violence is unsupported and rather out there. And lets not forget your suggestive measures are possibly counterproductive to the end goal.

Why can you only use your area? The people who put the ban in place would have looked at how it worked in other areas, there have been smoking bans in many places and have you looked to them for evidence of nicotine related violence? If you are only talking about your area then it ceases to be primarily about the bans and more about your area. Surely an educated guess would take how the situation developed in other areas and utilise that for a closer to conclusive conclusion? Surely if its dependant on the nicotine withdrawal we should see this in all areas bans are put in place? I mean a near daily occurance of violent attacks after the ban would send alarm bells ringing all over the place, personally i don't think nicotine cravings are the cause of the violent attacks you have mentioned.

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Hell, I would agree, it would be better if they had more policing there and then I would say "Make them go outside." but as it is right now, there isnt. So unless someone sends a letter to the editor it wont happen. I can only use my own area as an example and Im talking about my own area.

by a city near me the outlawed smoking outide, not sure bout inside ur house but not anywhere outside or in public areas i think

[Tex]

I'm glad to see NJ band somking in restraunts, but i'm not sure in bars, and casinos though. I really wish Dallas, Tx would do that. They tried that in Philly but I think they repealed it.

[Raven Among Doves]

I hope indoor smoking gets banned too. Who likes suffering for another person's addiction?