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Vegan X
04-30-2006, 06:58 PM
I've been Hard Line Vegan Edge for about 2 years now. Hard Line meaning, I live a really strict Vegan Straight Edge lifestyle. Strict meaning, poison free, poison free meaning no preservatives, artificial or processed foods, over the counter medicines, along with of course no animal products, booze, smoke, drugs etc etc.

I'm not violent Hard Line and I don't push my self on people, until today at least when I was at a book store and I told some dude to step away from me because he stunk like a burning cigarette, not to mention I think his sack was touching my butt because that's how close he was standing behind me, and it was just me an him in line (laughs).

I've been Straight Edge for about ten years now I just didn't know it until about 2 years ago. I know all about Hard Line, I've never been involved in the movement but I call my self Hard Line because I have some Hard Line beliefs about certain stuff.

My music tastes are pretty limited to a couple of bands that probably have nothing to due with hardcore and are probably composed of alcohol abusing drug addicts but never the less motivate me including Pantera ( I'm Broken, Becoming, Revolution, 5 minutes alone, Rise, Shedding Skin) Godsmack ( Although I hear good things about Sully Erna) and others.

Hows everyone doing?

xsecx
04-30-2006, 07:05 PM
I've been Hard Line Vegan Edge for about 2 years now. Hard Line meaning, I live a really strict Vegan Straight Edge lifestyle. Strict meaning, poison free, poison free meaning no preservatives, artificial or processed foods, over the counter medicines, along with of course no animal products, booze, smoke, drugs etc etc.

I'm not violent Hard Line and I don't push my self on people, until today at least when I was at a book store and I told some dude to step away from me because he stunk like a burning cigarette, not to mention I think his sack was touching my butt because that's how close he was standing behind me, and it was just me an him in line (laughs).

I've been Straight Edge for about ten years now I just didn't know it until about 2 years ago. I know all about Hard Line, I've never been involved in the movement but I call my self Hard Line because I have some Hard Line beliefs about certain stuff.

My music tastes are pretty limited to a couple of bands that probably have nothing to due with hardcore and are probably composed of alcohol abusing drug addicts but never the less motivate me including Pantera ( I'm Broken, Becoming, Revolution, 5 minutes alone, Rise, Shedding Skin) Godsmack ( Although I hear good things about Sully Erna) and others.

Hows everyone doing?


what do you think hardline is?

I'm also a little confused how you can be straight edge for 10 years but not like/be involved with hardcore?

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 07:25 PM
1. Straight Edge isn't just about Hardcore anymore, I'm not going to debate it with you.

2. Hard Line isn't what I think it is, it is what it is and isn't anymore. If you need a decent reference to find out about it go here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard-line



Good Luck to you.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 07:31 PM
1. Straight Edge isn't just about Hardcore anymore, I'm not going to debate it with you.


ok. why isn't it, and if you're not going to debate statements you make, then this probably isn't going to be the kind of place you enjoy.



2. Hard Line isn't what I think it is, it is what it is and isn't anymore. If you need a decent reference to find out about it go here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard-line
Good Luck to you.

I'm fully aware of what hardline was, which is why you calling yourself hardline doesn't actually make sense, since it was a group of people and not a handful of beliefs. saying nonviolent and hardline contradicts each other, since part of what set hardline apart was the use of violence.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 07:40 PM
Great I'm up for a little debate, I'm just not looking to piss anyone off.

I like the original idea of HardLine I just think I can get my message out ( that's what they were all about, getting a message out) in more constructive ways than using violence and risking prison.

Actually the original Hard Liners were more about publishing their message and living the life (one of them through power lifting, which I have in common) rather than getting violent.

Some people along the way turned it into about violence, probably long after Hard Line disbanded.

straightXed
04-30-2006, 07:46 PM
1. Straight Edge isn't just about Hardcore anymore, I'm not going to debate it with you.

2. Hard Line isn't what I think it is, it is what it is and isn't anymore. If you need a decent reference to find out about it go here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard-line



Good Luck to you.

1. yes it is.

2. there seems to be some differences with the link and what you passively describe hence people asking what you think it is. But why are you anti homosexual? why do you think you should militantly oppose abortion? and why is contraception wrong? And how much are you doing to enforce the hardline manifesto? If you feel strongly about the hardline movement then you can't really be passive in supporting it you have to be direct in you actions and that often means illegality but you seem to think you can call yourself hardline without being involved. Thats just silly. Its like saying you are a terrorist but never engage in acts of terrorism.

straightXed
04-30-2006, 07:47 PM
Great I'm up for a little debate, I'm just not looking to piss anyone off.

I like the original idea of HardLine I just think I can get my message out ( that's what they were all about, getting a message out) in more constructive ways than using violence and risking prison.

Actually the original Hard Liners were more about publishing their message and living the life (one of them through power lifting, which I have in common) rather than getting violent.

Some people along the way turned it into about violence, probably long after Hard Line disbanded.

You haven't read the manifesto have you.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 07:47 PM
Great I'm up for a little debate, I'm just not looking to piss anyone off.


then you can start by trying to explain how straight edge isn't about hardcore now and what makes you think that?




I like the original idea of HardLine I just think I can get my message out ( that's what they were all about, getting a message out) in more constructive ways than using violence and risking prison.

What original idea was that? Since the manifesto, which was written at the beginning, states pretty clearly that violence was to be used to protect innocent life.



Actually the original Hard Liners were more about publishing their message and living the life (one of them through power lifting, which I have in common) rather than getting violent.

Some people along the way turned it into about violence, probably long after Hard Line disbanded.

What are you basing that on? And what life would they be living that didn't involve violence to protect "innocent" life? Have you even read the link you posted?

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 08:02 PM
Slow down a bit and read my comments.

Straight Edge is about Hardcore but not limited to it. I've met 40 and 50 year old Straight Edgers. Not your typical hardcore fans (and not)

I've talked to people in Europe that see it as a whole different thing than how some Americans see it. And they don't even associate it with Hardcore.

Straight Edge may have started as a punk scene but it, like most things, morphed into something else.

Are you former hardline?? Yes I've read the link and like I said I like the idea I'm just not into the violence. If you read the link and other material carefully you'll see they were into publishing, and I suspect, more than violence.

On the other hand, I am 6"2' and 260 pounds and if some one burned my pants with a cigarette or spilled a drink on me or killed an animal in front of me I might consider stomping on them. Does that qualify me?? Really I'd rather lead by example though. Also the former movement dosn't have copy right on Hard Line.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 08:11 PM
Slow down a bit and read my comments.

Straight Edge is about Hardcore but not limited to it. I've met 40 and 50 year old Straight Edgers. Not your typical hardcore fans (and not)


how are they straight edge then?



I've talked to people in Europe that see it as a whole different thing than how some Americans see it. And they don't even associate it with Hardcore.


ok, then what is straight edge? Everyone I've talked to and met in and from Europe that are straight edge don't see it any differently than americans. I just can't see how you can't associate hardcore with straight edge, since that's what it is. If you take straight edge away from it, you just have a series of beliefs.



Straight Edge may have started as a punk scene but it, like most things, morphed into something else.


Ok how and into what?



Are you former hardline?? Yes I've read the link and like I said I like the idea I'm just not into the violence. If you read the link and other material carefully you'll see they were into publishing, and I suspect, more than violence.


Through the years I've known quite few people who were hardline. Violence is part of the idea, so I don't see how you can like one part while ignoring the rest. Yeah they published the vanguard, which was used to recruit and spread the idea, but the violence and direct action were extremely central to it and what it what it was.



On the other hand, I am 6"2' and 260 pounds and if some one burned my pants with a cigarette or spilled a drink on me or killed an animal in front of me I might consider stomping on them. Does that qualify me?? Really I'd rather lead by example though. Also the former movement dosn't have copy right on Hard Line.
actually it does.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 08:21 PM
Yes it's morphed into beliefs.

They are Edge because of their Beliefs.

If your trying to keep Straight Edge about Hardcore there is nothing wrong with that, I've listened to hardcore it's not bad, not much has grabbed me yet, have any suggestions??? I like tight music wit easy to understand verses.

Look around the internet a bit you'll see. Although I suggest not limiting your research to the internet you'll see it's alot more than hardcore. What else can I say??

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 08:31 PM
Did you read the now non existant European site that explained Straight Edge as an anti agricultural movement along with scientific research to back it up. I'm not saying I embrace that either but trust me, Straight Edge has evolved, no offense but are you just un willing to embrace that?

xsecx
04-30-2006, 08:34 PM
Yes it's morphed into beliefs.

They are Edge because of their Beliefs.


yeah but this is what people who think they are edge don't get. the beliefs are only one part of it. and those beliefs aren't unque. What makes it unique is the whole package. the beliefs. the music and the lifestyle. You take that away and you take away what makes straight edge what it is.



If your trying to keep Straight Edge about Hardcore there is nothing wrong with that, I've listened to hardcore it's not bad, not much has grabbed me yet, have any suggestions??? I like tight music wit easy to understand verses.


This is what I don't understand, why would you call yourself straight edge when you haven't really looked in depth into what something is.

and yeah, check out the master list thread.


Look around the internet a bit you'll see. Although I suggest not limiting your research to the internet you'll see it's alot more than hardcore. What else can I say??
People can take a term and call themselves it, but that doesn't mean that thing has changed. A large group of people can start calling themselves cats, but that doesn't make it any more true, does it? The reality is I can do into just about any city on this planet now go to a hardcore show and find edge kids. Can you give me another example where that's true?

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 08:43 PM
Yep I totally respect the Hardcore kids, if not for them than there wouldn't be Straight Edge. Ian McKay himself though, totally dis associates himself from Straight Edge today but is still in the punk scene.

Here is a copy and paste from another site, can you explain it away??

Straight edge (sometimes abbreviated to sXe or SxE) is a lifestyle and (counter cultural) subculture, closely associated with punk, hardcore punk, emo and more recently heavy metal music. It advocates total, life long abstinence from tobacco, alcohol, and recreational drug use — especially psychoactive and stimulant drug use. Some straight edgers also abstain from promiscuous sexual behavior.

Originally inspired by the hardcore band Minor Threat, it has spread around the world, but is most popular in industrialized Western countries with a large middle-class, such as United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Australia, and much of Western Europe. Although straight edgers or "edge kids" do not necessarily identify with a particular worldview on social or political issues, many do subscribe to precepts associated with anarchism, vegetarianism–veganism, socialism, environmentalism, and the deep ecology movement. Some straight edgers are Christians or Hare Krishnas, as well as other religions, and there are even some straight edgers who hold extreme right wing views.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 08:52 PM
Yep I totally respect the Hardcore kids, if not for them than there wouldn't be Straight Edge. Ian McKay himself though, totally dis associates himself from Straight Edge today but is still in the punk scene.


Whether or not straight edge would exist without Mackaye is debatable. He wasn't the only one involved and he certainly isn't responsible for it growing into a movement. And no, it's not in the punk scene. It's in the hardcore scene. Hardcore was along with straightedge were reactions to punk.



Here is a copy and paste from another site, can you explain it away??

Straight edge (sometimes abbreviated to sXe or SxE) is a lifestyle and (counter cultural) subculture, closely associated with punk, hardcore punk, emo and more recently heavy metal music. It advocates total, life long abstinence from tobacco, alcohol, and recreational drug use — especially psychoactive and stimulant drug use. Some straight edgers also abstain from promiscuous sexual behavior.

Originally inspired by the hardcore band Minor Threat, it has spread around the world, but is most popular in industrialized Western countries with a large middle-class, such as United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Australia, and much of Western Europe. Although straight edgers or "edge kids" do not necessarily identify with a particular worldview on social or political issues, many do subscribe to precepts associated with anarchism, vegetarianism–veganism, socialism, environmentalism, and the deep ecology movement. Some straight edgers are Christians or Hare Krishnas, as well as other religions, and there are even some straight edgers who hold extreme right wing views.

What part would I need to explain away? This reinforces my point that it's a music based subculture, albeit incorrect since there aren't really any emo or punk edge bands.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 08:56 PM
You tell me. Does Straight Edge belong to Hardcore??

Is that what you want?? To keep it Hardcore?

Really I think it's out of yours and my hands. It is what it is.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:01 PM
You tell me. Does Straight Edge belong to Hardcore??

Is that what you want?? To keep it Hardcore?

Really I think it's out of yours and my hands. It is what it is.

you're talking about it like they're seperate things or even that they're possible to seperate. You're right it is what it is. There's straight edge and then there are a bunch of uninformed people misusing and co-opting the term. That doesn't actually change what straight edge is though. Just like your attempting to co-opt the term hardline doesn't change what hardline was.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:02 PM
How are Hare Krishnas associated with Harcore? I'm thinking they're not. But some do claim to be Straight Edge. I'm not saying I embrace them but see what I'm saying. Have you seen the 1930's era Straight Edge cartoons???? Can you explain that??

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:06 PM
How are Hare Krishnas associated with Harcore? I'm thinking they're not. But some do claim to be Straight Edge. I'm not saying I embrace them but see what I'm saying. Have you seen the 1930's era Straight Edge cartoons???? Can you explain that??

Are you aware at all of the history you're trying to talk about? Hare Krshna's were very much involved with hardcore in the early and mid 90s. Some are still around. and yes some are straight edge, my definition, not yours.

and you mean the one cartoon that just mentions the term straight edge that has no context and no supporting documentation as to what the term meant or why it was used? That one?

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:07 PM
Ok your a Mod, you tell me, do you want me around here spouting my beliefs?? If not I have no problem withdrawing my membership. I see things differently though. I'm not opposed to hardcore and I do share a lifestyle with people here. But I see things differently. Thanks Hardcore kids for starting the movement, but it's more now.


Why isn't Hardcore just called Straight Edge if they are one in the same??

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:11 PM
Ok your a Mod, you tell me, do you want me around here spouting my beliefs?? If not I have no problem withdrawing my membership. I see things differently though. I'm not opposed to hardcore and I do share a lifestyle with people here. But I see things differently. Thanks Hardcore kids for starting the movement, but it's more now.


The thing is though, you keep making statements that aren't correct and reflect that you don't know what you're talking about in terms of straight edge. It's clear that you've just read some stuff on the internet, and that's a cool thing because you've gotten a basic idea of it, but what you keep talking about isn't straight edge though. You haven't experienced, you haven't lived it and you honestly don't know what you're associating yourself with by using the term. Saying that it's more now, but failing to demonstrate that doesn't make it so though.




Why isn't Hardcore just called Straight Edge if they are one in the same??
all straight edge is hardcore but not all hardcore is straight edge.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:11 PM
The way the story go's is that there are 3 remaining cartoons and one describing The Straight Edge Cafe in NY where the Straight Edge lifestyle was lived.

and yes thank you................ Hare Krishnas were and are still Straight Edge BUT I bet you won't find to many at Hardcore shows.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:14 PM
The way the story go's is that there are 3 remaining cartoons and one describing The Straight Edge Cafe in NY where the Straight Edge lifestyle was lived.


I'm sorry dude but someone has fed you a line of bullshit. the origin of the name straight edge came from a ruler, not some group in the 30's.



and yes thank you................ Hare Krishnas were and are still Straight Edge BUT I bet you won't find to many at Hardcore shows.

some hare krshna's are. and you will find them at hardcore shows. Not really sure what your point here is though?

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:20 PM
Thanks bro but I disagree. What your saying is Hardcore is in step and the 100's of thousands of other people claiming Straight Edge aren't.

And no, the 30 or so people that I see and share oxygen with every day ( some of whom totally live hardcore and some that don't would disagree also.

I've also been to Europe (Germany, Poland, Spain, Italy) and met Straight Edgers that don't even know what Hardcore is.

Bottom line is I see things differently. Please don't attempt to be little by assuming how I've learned my path.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:25 PM
Besides I really live what's called the Poison Free, Ideology that is a splinter of Straight Edge just as Hard Line was.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:26 PM
Thanks bro but I disagree. What your saying is Hardcore is in step and the 100's of thousands of other people claiming Straight Edge aren't.


ok. so where are these 100's of thousands of others people? How are they straight edge? What are they doing to contribute to the scene and the lifestyle?



And no, the 30 or so people that I see and share oxygen with every day ( some of whom totally live hardcore and some that don't would disagree also.

I've also been to Europe (Germany, Poland, Spain, Italy) and met Straight Edgers that don't even know what Hardcore is.

Bottom line is I see things differently. Please don't attempt to be little by assuming how I've learned my path.

the bottom line is you see things differently but completely fail to explain why or how you do. You simply make a statement. If you don't even know what hardcore is, then how can you know what straight edge is? You would have to be completely ignorant of the history of straight edge, so that just simply doesn't make sense. That's the entire point and it's one you don't seem to understand. Your beliefs don't make you straight edge. The path you're walking is great, but to describe it as straight edge just isn't accurate. It doesn't describe you. It describes part of you but that's it. You're trying to co-opt a term and change it to fit what you want it to be so that it can describe you. That doesn't change what straight edge is though. Especially not when it's still very much alive and very much a real and active thing.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:27 PM
Besides I really live what's called the Poison Free, Ideology that is a splinter of Straight Edge just as Hard Line was.

ok. so what's that?

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:28 PM
Did you read the now non existant European site that explained Straight Edge as an anti agricultural movement along with scientific research to back it up. I'm not saying I embrace that either but trust me, Straight Edge has evolved, no offense but are you just un willing to embrace that?

man, do you believe everything you read?

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:32 PM
ok yes, I'm trying to co-opt a term and fit it to what I want.


Hard Line did the same thing. People still call themselves Hard Line Straight Edge. They were into Hardcore, alot are in prison now.


And yes, I know what Hardcore is, it's Music.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:35 PM
ok yes, I'm trying to co-opt a term and fit it to what I want.


yeah but it's not yours to co-opt. You aren't and weren't apart of the term you're trying to steal.



Hard Line did the same thing. People still call themselves Hard Line Straight Edge. They were into Hardcore, alot are in prison now.


no hardline didn't. they distanced themselves to begin with. And people still use the term hardline, like you, incorrectly. That still doesn't change what hardline is.



And yes, I know what Hardcore is, it's Music.
it's more than music though.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:37 PM
No I don't believe everything I read which is why I'm not excepting your explainations.

Straight Edge has evolved I'm sorry you ran into one of us. Straight Edge no longer belongs to Hardcore, I'm sorry to be the one to break the news.

Your not going to get us to be something else or go away by saying we're ignorant of the facts or are stealing an idea or not excepting certain music etc etc.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:41 PM
No I don't believe everything I read which is why I'm not excepting your explainations.

Straight Edge has evolved I'm sorry you ran into one of us. Straight Edge no longer belongs to Hardcore, I'm sorry to be the one to break the news.

Your not going to get us to be something else or go away by saying we're ignorant of the facts or are stealing an idea or not excepting certain music etc etc.


again, I'm sorry you're wrong and are ignorant and are using a term that doesn't belong to you to incorrectly describe you. Not that it matters since because you're not actually involved in things you won't actually have an impact on things moving forward.

I mean, proving you're ignorant of what straight edge is or it's history, why should it influence you at all? I mean you just admitted to stealing a term and attempting to change it, that's what co-opting means. It just boggles my mind that someone can be shown how wrong they are about something and then just completely ignore it and then try and tell me that I'm the one that's wrong and that straight edge has turned into something it really hasn't.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:42 PM
I guess we disagree then. Maybe Hardcore should begin calling it's self Hardcore then and distance from Straight Edge.

Ian McKay saw Straight Edge not Hardcore as a vehicle to change his life. I guess that's just a myth as well?

Straight Edge is a way of life.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:46 PM
All your proving is that your stubborn and narrow minded, let it grow is that so terrible. You sound like a second grader saying some one stole something from you, like it was the second grade superman underoo club or something.


Evolve, let it happen trust me it won't bite you.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:47 PM
I guess we disagree then. Maybe Hardcore should begin calling it's self Hardcore then and distance from Straight Edge.


no you're just wrong.



Ian McKay saw Straight Edge not Hardcore as a vehicle to change his life. I guess that's just a myth as well?


Do you know anyone else involved in shaping straight edge other than MacKaye, especially since you can't even spell dude's name right? What are you basing this statement on and more to the point, what does this statement even mean?



Straight Edge is a way of life.
yes it is, but it's one you're not living and are honestly completely ignorant about. What happened to your poision free bs?

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:48 PM
.........and I mean if this is the case I accept myself as the spokesperson of the new world Straight Edge..................it's comming Hardcore.............sorry..............I'm sure mommy will make it feel better.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:49 PM
All your proving is that your stubborn and narrow minded, let it grow is that so terrible. You sound like a second grader saying some one stole something from you, like it was the second grade superman underoo club or something.


Grow into what? A term that doesn't actually mean anything and have people involved that don't understand it or it's history? Why would anyone want that?



Evolve, let it happen trust me it won't bite you.
your form actually would. it would take something that actually means something and leave something that means nothing, has no common bond, and has a bunch of clueless kids. get involved in what straight edge actually its, it won't bite you.

atXdawnXweXburn
04-30-2006, 09:51 PM
i can see it now. dusty is going to give somebody the nutsack...

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:52 PM
.........and I mean if this is the case I accept myself as the spokesperson of the new world Straight Edge..................it's comming Hardcore.............sorry..............I'm sure mommy will make it feel better.

and this is what happens when you don't actually have knowledge of a subject and just make shit up.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:52 PM
I'm typing fast which is where misspells are coming from.


Yes I know of the whole Straight Edge and who shaped it including the Vegan Reich who saw it as a cause as well as a music scene.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 09:55 PM
I've been willing to get involved in what Straight Edge is from day one, maybe that's why I'm here but I also see it as an evolving cause, you should to.

I'm totally up for getting involved in traditional Straight Edge. Send me some info, I'd like to check out the site. Talk to people, hear music, see what's up !!

xsecx
04-30-2006, 09:56 PM
I'm typing fast which is where misspells are coming from.


Yes I know of the whole Straight Edge and who shaped it including the Vegan Reich who saw it as a cause as well as a music scene.

hahaha. so you pull vegan reich out? that's the best wikipedia could give you? You pick a band that had almost no influence and certainly weren't the first who saw it as a case. Have you even heard Vegan Reich?

xsecx
04-30-2006, 10:00 PM
I've been willing to get involved in what Straight Edge is from day one, maybe that's why I'm here but I also see it as an evolving cause, you should to.


see here's the problem. if you're not involved in straight edge,what actually is straight edge, then how can you see it as an evolving cause? How do you have any insight as to what is happening within something you're not a part of?

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:01 PM
See, now what your telling me is what Straight Edge music to listen too, do you hear yourself??

Yes I have Vegan Reich's music and now your telling how Edge they were and wether I'm Edge if I listen to them.

Your acting like a dictator and have been from post one. Do you see it now?

xsecx
04-30-2006, 10:03 PM
See, now what your telling me is what Straight Edge music to listen too, do you hear yourself??

Yes I have Vegan Reich's music and now your telling how Edge they were and wether I'm Edge if I listen to them.

Your acting like a dictator and have been from post one. Do you see it now?

oh god, i'm telling you that horrible band was horrible. shit, I'm half a step away from goosestepping now. you're acting like an expert on a subject you're completely ignorant about, do you see it now?

xvunderx
04-30-2006, 10:04 PM
vegan X your an idiot. sXe hasn't "evolved" a few people started calling themselves edge because it sounded like a cool thing to call themselves and had no idea what it meant.

Perhaps I should go around and call myself a skin head, I mean if me and my pals do that then skin heads will evolve into people who like to call themselves skin heads right? Nope, just means me and my friends would be idiots.

The thing people like you like to describe as sxe is simply drug free, people all over the world are drug free, Mormons, ex-alcoholics etc, they aren't edge though, but why not? What makes me different from them? That answer is I am apart of the community, the community that exists within hardcore.

You saw a quarter of the picture and thought it was you, but look closer and you are quite simply wrong, just because there is a handful of equally incorrect and delusional people out there doesn't make them any less wrong, same with the handful of "the world is flat" people still left out there.

If sXe "evolved" into what you want it to be, it would simply mean drug free and be dissolved into nothing. I guess you have every right to nullify thousands of peoples lives and dedication over the last 20 plus years right? I mean just to sound cool, that's worth it and fair? if you want to look cool, unique and special go by a new import pair of chucks.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:05 PM
Your trying to dictate that being involved in Straight Edge is being involved in Hardcore and at the same time that Straight Edge is a movement and a life style.
Ok I've embraced the lifestyle, so The dictator hear is now telling me what music (including what hardcore) I have to listen to now to be Straight Edge.

xsecx
04-30-2006, 10:07 PM
Your trying to dictate that being involved in Straight Edge is being involved in Hardcore and at the same time that Straight Edge is a movement and a life style.
Ok I've embraced the lifestyle, so The dictator hear is now telling me what music (including what hardcore) I have to listen to now to be Straight Edge.

are you at all aware of what a subculture is? Also how is it dictating to call something what it actually is, rather than trying to steal it and change it to suit me? Seems to me you're trying to dictate to us that straight edge is something that it isn't. huh? And where did I tell you what hardcore you had to listen to?

xvunderx
04-30-2006, 10:10 PM
Your trying to dictate that being involved in Straight Edge is being involved in Hardcore and at the same time that Straight Edge is a movement and a life style.
Ok I've embraced the lifestyle, so The dictator hear is now telling me what music (including what hardcore) I have to listen to now to be Straight Edge.

But you haven't that's the thing you twat. Being drug free isn't all their is to being edge. I mean my old friends mum was completely drug free, but not edge at all. Why not? Because she didn't participate in the culture, something impossible to do from outside of the hardcore scene.

I mean sXe sprung up in 81 what was different about these kids then and now from kids not drinking in 1950? Erm maybe the subculture? You know that other part of the straight edge lifestyle you seem to miss completely.

If I have a slice of bread, without another slice and some filling i don't have a sandwich, i have some of the components, but not a sandwich. your bread kid, and you forgot the peanut butter.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:14 PM
Ok if you want to call me names now then your just reiterating that your a narrow minded person who just needs to grow up a little and see that Straight Edge isn't just a bunch of kids at hardcore concerts anymore.

Here's an example, I'm not going to call you names because I'm like evolved, evolved from an immature kid who needs to grow up.

Straight Edge Rules....................it's alot bigger than hardcore noise polution now.

I'm going to email this to all my Edge friends so they can laugh

atXdawnXweXburn
04-30-2006, 10:14 PM
your bread kid, and you forgot the peanut butter.

i love your analogy viv

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:17 PM
But you haven't that's the thing you twat. Being drug free isn't all their is to being edge. I mean my old friends mum was completely drug free, but not edge at all. Why not? Because she didn't participate in the culture, something impossible to do from outside of the hardcore scene.

I mean sXe sprung up in 81 what was different about these kids then and now from kids not drinking in 1950? Erm maybe the subculture? You know that other part of the straight edge lifestyle you seem to miss completely.

If I have a slice of bread, without another slice and some filling i don't have a sandwich, i have some of the components, but not a sandwich. your bread kid, and you forgot the peanut butter.


Yes I see what your saying, what you refuse to except though is that the movement isn't hardcore anymore, yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now


yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

xsecx
04-30-2006, 10:18 PM
Ok if you want to call me names now then your just reiterating that your a narrow minded person who just needs to grow up a little and see that Straight Edge isn't just a bunch of kids at hardcore concerts anymore.


ok. you do realize that you've actually failed to demonstrate how it isn't just a bunch of kids at hardcore shows. What you have demonstrated is that you are ignorant on the topic, that you don't care about the history or what is actually going on and just want to co-opt a term that doesn't fir you.



Here's an example, I'm not going to call you names because I'm like evolved, evolved from an immature kid who needs to grow up.

Straight Edge Rules....................it's alot bigger than hardcore noise polution now.

I'm going to email this to all my Edge friends so they can laugh

you do realize that you haven't really come off all that well here and actually look like an ignorant child who's all about calling themselves something cool with little to no understanding of it? I like how mid argument you pulled the poison free thing out of your ass and said you weren't edge and then abandoned that one pretty quickly.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:19 PM
Ok it was stolen........................does your group want to go out to the playground now and fight???

xsecx
04-30-2006, 10:19 PM
Yes I see what your saying, what you refuse to except though is that the movement isn't hardcore anymore, yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now


yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

ok. then prove it. demonstrate this. Show me. Show me what this movement is about, what it believes. What reflects those beliefs. How those beliefs are shared.

atXdawnXweXburn
04-30-2006, 10:20 PM
Ok if you want to call me names now then your just reiterating that your a narrow minded person who just needs to grow up a little and see that Straight Edge isn't just a bunch of kids at hardcore concerts anymore.

Here's an example, I'm not going to call you names because I'm like evolved, evolved from an immature kid who needs to grow up.

Straight Edge Rules....................it's alot bigger than hardcore noise polution now.

I'm going to email this to all my Edge friends so they can laugh

so let me get this straight. you claim to live a lifestyle that is a subculture of hardcore, but you're not into hardcore? am i right here?

well. how is that physically possible? i mean, its okay to listen to other kinds of music. but you have to support the hardcore and straightedge communities. i mean, just because you like the idealogy doesnt make you something. and so what if you're not straight edge, big fucking deal. you can still be drug free. it just seems to me that you're looking for a group to associate yourself with.

hardcore is not noise pollution. godsmack is.

the nazi's were a movement. they were a group of people who believed something. but just because somebody doesnt like jews (and this in no way represents me) does not make them a nazi. do you see what i'm saying?

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:21 PM
Dude I see what Europe and the internet and older adults and many many more people are saying and doing.........................and yes they have taken Straight Edge and made it their own..............so now what?

xsecx
04-30-2006, 10:22 PM
Dude I see what Europe and the internet and older adults and many many more people are saying and doing.........................and yes they have taken Straight Edge and made it their own..............so now what?

ok. then prove it. demonstrate this. Show me. Show me what this movement is about, what it believes. What reflects those beliefs. How those beliefs are shared.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:25 PM
So you know, Nazis were socialists but not all socialists are Nazis.

and yes I support hardcore and the Straigh Edge communities

unlike you who won't budge even an inch

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:27 PM
I will prove it but it would take me about a month of research to present it well, I'm not sure I'm willing to do that. It was nice to hear your views though.

rodrigo
04-30-2006, 10:29 PM
I'm going to email this to all my Edge friends so they can laugh

at you?

xvunderx
04-30-2006, 10:30 PM
Yes I see what your saying, what you refuse to except though is that the movement isn't hardcore anymore, yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now


yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

yes it was stolen and is bigger and better than hardcore now

Thing is that's bullshit. First up, what right do people like you have to steal something built on the sweat and passions of thousands upon thousands of people spanning several decades?

How would it be "bigger and better" if it were just a term that meant nothing more than drug free, and became basically nothing? Why would an entire subculture of people all over the globe suddenly not exist so you could look cool to your friends?

How can it have "evolved" when people like you have never been apart of it to begin with? Evolution comes from within, your just an outsider trying to co-opt something that actually means something to a whole lot of people.

If it now supposedly "bigger and better" what is it?

Your just a sad little jerk who needs to feel special and feels like they have entitlement to something they haven't earned and belongs to a lot of people far greater than you. Go get an extreme hair cut or unusual piecing if you want to be "different".

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:31 PM
listen to Pantera a little bit Phillip Anselmo talks about changing, looking inward, not taking shit off people, demanding respect, Sully Erna of Godsmack talks about what he hates and what others and him have created for himself and what life should be like.

xvunderx
04-30-2006, 10:33 PM
I will prove it but it would take me about a month of research to present it well, I'm not sure I'm willing to do that. It was nice to hear your views though.

If it's evolved, then surely it'd be really really easy to prove it? I mean, I can bring up bands, zines, etc that demonstrate hardcore's relationship to edge really quickly. If it's done what you're claiming, then it should also be easy.

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:39 PM
Dude the thousands and thousands of people your talking about are a small bunch of kids from a couple of states that have grown into kids around the world who never made it past hardcore while the rest of us grew up. Trust me I'm 28 and most of my friends are around my age and live Straight Edge hard but have also left hardcore behind. At least four of my friends yes were once into hardcore to the core, but they're 30 years old now, time to grow, you should too. I'm going to leave this at that.


I'm sure you'll get all your friends will rip on me if I stay around here, but you haven't changed one thing I believe. Nice debating this with you( except the name calling) good luck.

atXdawnXweXburn
04-30-2006, 10:39 PM
So you know, Nazis were socialists but not all socialists are Nazis.

yes, i know that. but how it pertains to my point, i dont understand.

mouseman004
04-30-2006, 10:43 PM
yes, i know that. but how it pertains to my point, i dont understand.


I think he is saying that most straight edgers are into hxc, but not all of them are. I could be wrong on my interpretation though.

mouseman004
04-30-2006, 10:46 PM
Dude the thousands and thousands of people your talking about are a small bunch of kids from a couple of states that have grown into kids around the world who never made it past hardcore while the rest of us grew up. Trust me I'm 28 and most of my friends are around my age and live Straight Edge hard but have also left hardcore behind. At least four of my friends yes were once into hardcore to the core, but they're 30 years old now, time to grow, you should too. I'm going to leave this at that.


I'm sure you'll get all your friends will rip on me if I stay around here, but you haven't changed one thing I believe. Nice debating this with you( except the name calling) good luck.

I realise you are being ripped into from all sides so I wont say alot. The major point I have a problem with in this statement is your mention of growing up and leaving hardcore behind. So when you grow up your music tastes have to change?

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:47 PM
and by the way almost every person posting here (except yourself which is why your probably a mod) sounds like a skinned knee skate boarder with no education (with the exception of a couple) if that's what you want Straight Edge to remain so it gets no respect, is classified as a gang and most well known for kids who beat pregnant women up for smoking. Then you go boy.


Me and my buds (some of whom were those kids once0 will evolve.


Take care

Vegan X
04-30-2006, 10:54 PM
Ok I'll leave it at this, I'm 28 some of my friends (not me) who were into Hardcore and Straight Edge originally are 30 and older. So are you dictating that they can't be Straight Edge anymore, that after they passed a certain age they aren't allowed anymore?? They're aren't edge because although the once embraced hardcore and no longer really do, they can't keep their beliefs.


I have a friend now standing behind me know who was once into hardcore and is Straight Edge and has been since he was 16, 17 years ago !! and he is almost hurting me because he wants to get on now and type some shit to you. But I'll just leave it at this.

atXdawnXweXburn
05-01-2006, 12:24 AM
thankfully this is over now. this was the most ridiculous thread i think ive seen...

rodrigo
05-01-2006, 12:29 AM
i have the weird feeling that he was just a troll

Vegan X
05-01-2006, 12:47 AM
Fuck you Rodnegro you faggot bitch.





again all of you total morons......... Straight Edge isn't snot nosed little kids screaming and smashing into each other at no talent shows anymore.

and Dusty what are you like 40 now, and still into hardcore? I've seen your picture around before, your in one of those worthless hardcore bands that will never make it out of some dingy room somewhere that a handlefull of idiots call a hardcore venue.

You people are pathetic. No wonder your mommies don't want you hanging out with each other. Go back to school and forget that nasty music.

VEGAN X Hard Line Rules Straight Edge till we die

!!!!!! Fuck all you mother fuckers !!!

atXdawnXweXburn
05-01-2006, 12:48 AM
aaaaaaaahahahhahahahaha

atXdawnXweXburn
05-01-2006, 12:49 AM
Fuck you Rodnegro you faggot bitch.





again all of you total morons......... Straight Edge isn't snot nosed little kids screaming and smashing into each other at no talent shows anymore.

and Dusty what are you like 40 now, and still into hardcore? I've seen your picture around before, your in one of those worthless hardcore bands that will never make it out of some dingy room somewhere that a handlefull of idiots call a hardcore venue.

You people are pathetic. No wonder your mommies don't want you hanging out with each other. Go back to school and forget that nasty music.

VEGAN X Hard Line Rules Straight Edge till we die

!!!!!! Fuck all you mother fuckers !!!

look who's resorting to underhanded tactics now.

Vegan X
05-01-2006, 12:52 AM
well, ive been edge for a while, and i love it
i love everything about it
i even love the way others look down on me because i refuse a high

but ive decided to fuck edge because so far everyone on this site, the people who i thought would help me keep my edge, go against everything i beleive in, and on top of that, bash everything i ever stood for

its no fucking wonder no one likes straight edge, since its filled with assholes like you, and im so upright ashamed to call myself edge if thats how other edge people think

i mean no offense by this, but maybe you'll think twice before offending a stranger again, especially if you want edge to last more than 5 more years

enjoy your irrisponsible, self-rightious lives


Hmmmmmmmm !!!!!!

atXdawnXweXburn
05-01-2006, 12:56 AM
Hmmmmmmmm !!!!!!

i dont really see the relevance in that either, other than the fact that you're not the only one who doesnt like the people here. in which case, big deal. people dont always get along, but you dont have to be a prick

rodrigo
05-01-2006, 01:05 AM
Fuck you Rodnegro you faggot bitch.





again all of you total morons......... Straight Edge isn't snot nosed little kids screaming and smashing into each other at no talent shows anymore.

and Dusty what are you like 40 now, and still into hardcore? I've seen your picture around before, your in one of those worthless hardcore bands that will never make it out of some dingy room somewhere that a handlefull of idiots call a hardcore venue.

You people are pathetic. No wonder your mommies don't want you hanging out with each other. Go back to school and forget that nasty music.

VEGAN X Hard Line Rules Straight Edge till we die

!!!!!! Fuck all you mother fuckers !!!

i guess i was right

melodic lover xx
05-01-2006, 05:24 PM
I am actually really interested in being a vegan..
I am already a vegetarian..
But I dont know all that being a vegan entails...
And what you cant eat..

But I know a lot of fat vegans, and dont wana be one..
lol.

help?

melodic lover xx
05-01-2006, 07:25 PM
I realise you are being ripped into from all sides so I wont say alot. The major point I have a problem with in this statement is your mention of growing up and leaving hardcore behind. So when you grow up your music tastes have to change?

everytime i come by one of your posts, its one of the most intellegently thought out threads.

stepinsideissue
05-03-2006, 01:48 PM
Fuck you Rodnegro you faggot bitch.





again all of you total morons......... Straight Edge isn't snot nosed little kids screaming and smashing into each other at no talent shows anymore.

and Dusty what are you like 40 now, and still into hardcore? I've seen your picture around before, your in one of those worthless hardcore bands that will never make it out of some dingy room somewhere that a handlefull of idiots call a hardcore venue.

You people are pathetic. No wonder your mommies don't want you hanging out with each other. Go back to school and forget that nasty music.

VEGAN X Hard Line Rules Straight Edge till we die

!!!!!! Fuck all you mother fuckers !!!

Way to let your inner racist, homophobic piece of shit side show through. Let me guess, you're a christian too. I don't know what you're talking about in this thread but it is not sXe. Hardline is a dead concept too. Maybe some day you'll get the clue about a scene, with a message. But some how I doubt it. You can argue your point all you want on here but you're the only one buying into it. You really come of as an idiot and a worthless fuck. Not to mention a hypocrite.