View Full Version : Caffeine/Guarana Seed not edge?
sXe Dustyx
03-23-2006, 07:24 PM
Well, I love Monster Energy and it is filled with Caffeice and Guarana Seed Extract. It doesn't really phase me at all but the flavor of the drink is great. I saw that mostly everyone here don't drink any caffeine or anything to that effect.
I was just wonder, would I still be considered edge since I drink stuff with caffeine/energy stuff? I mean, I dont smoke, drink, no drugs or anything but damn, haha. This is jsut something I was thinking about since I love Monster Energy, all 4 flavors rock, haha. I do mostly drink maybe water or some tea from WaWa.
But yeah, I still consider myself straight edge but I'm just not sure on what you guys would think.
Ingredients in Monster:
Carbonated Water, Sucrose, Glucose,
Citric Acid, Natural Flavors, Taurine,
Sodium Citrate, Color Added, Panax
Ginseng Root Extract, L-Carnitine,
Caffeine, Ascorbic Acid, Sorbic Acid,
Benzoic Acid, Niacinamide, Sodium
Chloride, Glucuronolactone, Inositol,
Guarana Seed Extract, Pyridoxine
Hydrochloride, Sucralose, Riboflavin,
Maltodextrin, and Cyanocobalamin
(wow i havent even heard of 75% of those things)
mouseman004
03-23-2006, 08:15 PM
Well, I love Monster Energy and it is filled with Caffeice and Guarana Seed Extract. It doesn't really phase me at all but the flavor of the drink is great. I saw that mostly everyone here don't drink any caffeine or anything to that effect.
I was just wonder, would I still be considered edge since I drink stuff with caffeine/energy stuff? I mean, I dont smoke, drink, no drugs or anything but damn, haha. This is jsut something I was thinking about since I love Monster Energy, all 4 flavors rock, haha. I do mostly drink maybe water or some tea from WaWa.
But yeah, I still consider myself straight edge but I'm just not sure on what you guys would think.
Ingredients in Monster:
Carbonated Water, Sucrose, Glucose,
Citric Acid, Natural Flavors, Taurine,
Sodium Citrate, Color Added, Panax
Ginseng Root Extract, L-Carnitine,
Caffeine, Ascorbic Acid, Sorbic Acid,
Benzoic Acid, Niacinamide, Sodium
Chloride, Glucuronolactone, Inositol,
Guarana Seed Extract, Pyridoxine
Hydrochloride, Sucralose, Riboflavin,
Maltodextrin, and Cyanocobalamin
(wow i havent even heard of 75% of those things)
The overall consensus on this board is that caffiene is a recreational drug so to be sxe you cant drink it
xsecx
03-23-2006, 08:16 PM
Well, I love Monster Energy and it is filled with Caffeice and Guarana Seed Extract. It doesn't really phase me at all but the flavor of the drink is great. I saw that mostly everyone here don't drink any caffeine or anything to that effect.
I was just wonder, would I still be considered edge since I drink stuff with caffeine/energy stuff? I mean, I dont smoke, drink, no drugs or anything but damn, haha. This is jsut something I was thinking about since I love Monster Energy, all 4 flavors rock, haha. I do mostly drink maybe water or some tea from WaWa.
But yeah, I still consider myself straight edge but I'm just not sure on what you guys would think.
Ingredients in Monster:
Carbonated Water, Sucrose, Glucose,
Citric Acid, Natural Flavors, Taurine,
Sodium Citrate, Color Added, Panax
Ginseng Root Extract, L-Carnitine,
Caffeine, Ascorbic Acid, Sorbic Acid,
Benzoic Acid, Niacinamide, Sodium
Chloride, Glucuronolactone, Inositol,
Guarana Seed Extract, Pyridoxine
Hydrochloride, Sucralose, Riboflavin,
Maltodextrin, and Cyanocobalamin
(wow i havent even heard of 75% of those things)
taurine, caffeine and guarana are all drugs that are stimulants.
xbustedx
03-23-2006, 08:25 PM
The overall consensus on this board is that caffiene is a recreational drug so to be sxe you cant drink it
Im not saying that I disagree with you. But really just because it is the consensus on the board does it really make it a fact about sxe?
xsecx
03-23-2006, 08:28 PM
Im not saying that I disagree with you. But really just because it is the consensus on the board does it really make it a fact about sxe?
for your comment to make sense, you'd have to disagree.
King Andy
03-23-2006, 08:47 PM
Well, I love Monster Energy and it is filled with Caffeice and Guarana Seed Extract. It doesn't really phase me at all but the flavor of the drink is great. I saw that mostly everyone here don't drink any caffeine or anything to that effect.
I was just wonder, would I still be considered edge since I drink stuff with caffeine/energy stuff? I mean, I dont smoke, drink, no drugs or anything but damn, haha. This is jsut something I was thinking about since I love Monster Energy, all 4 flavors rock, haha. I do mostly drink maybe water or some tea from WaWa.
But yeah, I still consider myself straight edge but I'm just not sure on what you guys would think.
Why should you care what these people (myself included, although im new and didn't wanna say 'we') think if you drink Caffeine...in my opinion you take sXe as far as you want. Drink coffee, monster, MD, etc. and dont smoke pot or drink beer. Sounds sXe enough to me.
xsecx
03-23-2006, 08:48 PM
Why should you care what these people (myself included, although im new and didn't wanna say 'we') think if you drink Caffeine...in my opinion you take sXe as far as you want. Drink coffee, monster, MD, etc. and dont smoke pot or drink beer. Sounds sXe enough to me.
why are some drugs ok and some aren't?
xbustedx
03-23-2006, 08:51 PM
for your comment to make sense, you'd have to disagree.
what I mean by I don't disagree is I mean that I do believe that caffine is a drug. But not that it is purely because the majority of the board thinks so.
King Andy
03-23-2006, 08:56 PM
why are some drugs ok and some aren't?
Caffeine doesn't seem like a drug to me. I'm not saying that some drugs are okay and some aren't, what my point is that why should the person asking about caffeine need the approval or opinion about how they should live and what they should do and how to do it. Why should they care what people think of them, im not really sure if im saying it clearly...i never really am able to get my point across alot to people.
sXe Dustyx
03-23-2006, 09:04 PM
I still consider myself straight edge, I mean, now I see that tehse are drugs but I don't really know. I only drink coffee when I work early in the morning and I only drink Monster because of the awesome taste.
I'm not really looking for acceptance but jsut asking, if drinkign caffeine and guarana seed makes me not as edge. Straight Edge for me is basically no drugs and alcohol, like Drugs that fuck with your mind or something. I dunno but I've always had caffeine as long as I could remember and never even once considered it a type of drug.
Like, it's not that I'm trying to get people to decide my life for me but just making sure that if the only thing close to a drug is Caffeine or Guarana seed I drink is still considering me Straight Edge.
xsecx
03-23-2006, 09:09 PM
Caffeine doesn't seem like a drug to me. I'm not saying that some drugs are okay and some aren't, what my point is that why should the person asking about caffeine need the approval or opinion about how they should live and what they should do and how to do it. Why should they care what people think of them, im not really sure if im saying it clearly...i never really am able to get my point across alot to people.
caffeine is a drug though. it's added to things like energy drinks and sodas because of it's stimulant effects.
as for the rest of it, why should anyone ask anything about anything?
King Andy
03-23-2006, 09:12 PM
caffeine is a drug though. it's added to things like energy drinks and sodas because of it's stimulant effects.
as for the rest of it, why should anyone ask anything about anything?
Why are you asking about people asking about anything?
It sounded funny in my head. It doesn't really sound funny now, but I'll give it a shot.
xsecx
03-23-2006, 09:13 PM
Why are you asking about people asking about anything?
It sounded funny in my head. It doesn't really sound funny now, but I'll give it a shot.
why do people ask questions?
King Andy
03-23-2006, 09:15 PM
why do people ask questions?
Okay that was WAY better than mine. Way better.
Why do you care?
sXe Dustyx
03-23-2006, 09:15 PM
why do people ask questions?
To gain knowledge? who knoes, I guess it's human nature to be curious about one's self and their environment?
Well, I made a decision that I'm still going to consider myself edge ands till drink energy drinks and soda. I just like the flavors and that's it. If a decaf of Monster comes out then I'll dirnk only that.
xsecx
03-23-2006, 09:16 PM
I still consider myself straight edge, I mean, now I see that tehse are drugs but I don't really know. I only drink coffee when I work early in the morning and I only drink Monster because of the awesome taste.
I'm not really looking for acceptance but jsut asking, if drinkign caffeine and guarana seed makes me not as edge. Straight Edge for me is basically no drugs and alcohol, like Drugs that fuck with your mind or something. I dunno but I've always had caffeine as long as I could remember and never even once considered it a type of drug.
Like, it's not that I'm trying to get people to decide my life for me but just making sure that if the only thing close to a drug is Caffeine or Guarana seed I drink is still considering me Straight Edge.
I only drink alcohol when I come home from work late and I need to unwind and i only take meth when I have to get up early and work a full day. I drink wine with dinner because of the awesome taste. I take coke when I really need to focus. I take pot when I need to sleep.
the thing is, you've built up these definitons around what's a drug and what isn't based on social norms, not usage or what a substance is or what it's used for.
xvunderx
03-23-2006, 09:20 PM
I still consider myself straight edge, I mean, now I see that tehse are drugs but I don't really know. I only drink coffee when I work early in the morning and I only drink Monster because of the awesome taste.
I'm not really looking for acceptance but jsut asking, if drinkign caffeine and guarana seed makes me not as edge. Straight Edge for me is basically no drugs and alcohol, like Drugs that fuck with your mind or something. I dunno but I've always had caffeine as long as I could remember and never even once considered it a type of drug.
Like, it's not that I'm trying to get people to decide my life for me but just making sure that if the only thing close to a drug is Caffeine or Guarana seed I drink is still considering me Straight Edge.
That's one of the things that pissed me of about people drinking, every one just does it and nobody thinks about it.
Just because you've had caffeine forever doesn't make it any less of a drug, which you say you are against.
To me energy drinks are as edge as beer, they are loaded with stimulants for a high, that's it.
What you should be asking is "If I'm against drugs, why is this drug any different?" Life is about introspection, if something doesn't gel with things you believe in alter your life till they do, don't just paint over the spots you don't want to change with excuses.
sXe Dustyx
03-23-2006, 09:22 PM
I guess you're right... but it really doesnt make a difference to me. Now I really know what this stuff is and I'll probably continue to drink it. Atleast it's the only thing I do and it's not even major but I still consider myself Straight Edge.
Oh well, but that "I only do meth" thing and all actually made me laugh a bit cause it made me sound kinda dumb. Either way, thanks for the answers and info.
xsecx
03-23-2006, 09:26 PM
Okay that was WAY better than mine. Way better.
Why do you care?
about what? why someone else isn't sure about something and asks a question? You're the one that it's bothered, not me.
xvunderx
03-23-2006, 09:27 PM
I guess you're right... but it really doesnt make a difference to me. Now I really know what this stuff is and I'll probably continue to drink it. Atleast it's the only thing I do and it's not even major but I still consider myself Straight Edge.
Oh well, but that "I only do meth" thing and all actually made me laugh a bit cause it made me sound kinda dumb. Either way, thanks for the answers and info.
I guess I see your point, I'll probably go back to smoking pot, if that's all I do I'll still consider myself edge.
There will never be a de-caf Monster, because it's a product made to get you high, it just tastes good so you don't get high on red Bull instead.
What's the point in asking questions if you get the answers and then go on lying to yourself.
Face up.
xsecx
03-23-2006, 09:29 PM
I guess you're right... but it really doesnt make a difference to me. Now I really know what this stuff is and I'll probably continue to drink it. Atleast it's the only thing I do and it's not even major but I still consider myself Straight Edge.
Oh well, but that "I only do meth" thing and all actually made me laugh a bit cause it made me sound kinda dumb. Either way, thanks for the answers and info.
so you'll say you're against drugs, but use them recreationally? if I drink a beer a night, it's not even major, would it still be straight edge? That's the thing, you're either against drug use or you're not. You don't make expections for the drugs you like and are only against the ones you don't. That just doesn't make sense.
sXe Dustyx
03-23-2006, 09:31 PM
Looks liek you got me in a corner here, I'll just stop drinking stuff wtih Caffeine in it then.
xsecx
03-23-2006, 09:42 PM
Looks liek you got me in a corner here, I'll just stop drinking stuff wtih Caffeine in it then.
the point isn't to bully you into it though. just to challenge you to think about it. It's like. why are you against drug use? And then think about those reasons and compare them to drugs that people use and abuse daily. It all comes down to the reasons. Why is caffeine added to things? Why do people drink them? Why caffeine added after cocaine was deemed too harmful? It's just to look at your beliefs and to try and live your life as close to those as you can.
King Andy
03-23-2006, 09:44 PM
Looks liek you got me in a corner here, I'll just stop drinking stuff wtih Caffeine in it then.
NO!
My god, do not listen to them or me. Make up YOUR OWN MIND about it. Who cares if some guy across the country thinks less of you because you claim to be edge and drink a fucking coffee. If you are asking to help form your own opinion thats fine, but dont let them/us decide how you live your life! (again, i am hesitant to include myself with you guys because i am not totally sXe)
King Andy
03-23-2006, 09:45 PM
the point isn't to bully you into it though. just to challenge you to think about it. It's like. why are you against drug use? And then think about those reasons and compare them to drugs that people use and abuse daily. It all comes down to the reasons. Why is caffeine added to things? Why do people drink them? Why caffeine added after cocaine was deemed too harmful? It's just to look at your beliefs and to try and live your life as close to those as you can.
Yes!
NO!
My god, do not listen to them or me. Make up YOUR OWN MIND about it. Who cares if some guy across the country thinks less of you because you claim to be edge and drink a fucking coffee. If you are asking to help form your own opinion thats fine, but dont let them/us decide how you live your life! (again, i am hesitant to include myself with you guys because i am not totally sXe)
the deal is, if you claim to be something, but you're clearly not, what's the point? you'Ll just make yourself look stupid.
by the way, you can't be partly edge. you're even straight edge or not.
i don't know why this caffeine issue comes up all the time, it's a drug. that's a fact.
King Andy
03-25-2006, 11:54 AM
the deal is, if you claim to be something, but you're clearly not, what's the point? you'Ll just make yourself look stupid.
by the way, you can't be partly edge. you're even straight edge or not.
i don't know why this caffeine issue comes up all the time, it's a drug. that's a fact.
Ah see, your the type of person that makes the discussion an argument. I garuntee that you are not 100% edge. You sit there and say that this person is not edge, and this person is not edge. This person did this wrong, he or she is not edge, Doesn't that make you just as bad as a poser? What the fuck makes you the god of edge? Why is there such a strict line of being edge or not? You have to do Every. Single. Thing. Edge. in order to be edge? Why must you be so guarded about your lifestyle, sure i understand you don't like posers...but there is nothing you can do about it. If in life there is something people like, there will be someone who says they like it to be accepted or seem cool. Posers are always going to be there, from music to sports to...anything. If they piss you off, fucking ignore them.
When i started that i was full of ideas...then as i wrote i ran out of steam, and then i just didnt care anymore....ill post this anyhow...
xsecx
03-25-2006, 04:54 PM
Ah see, your the type of person that makes the discussion an argument. I garuntee that you are not 100% edge. You sit there and say that this person is not edge, and this person is not edge. This person did this wrong, he or she is not edge, Doesn't that make you just as bad as a poser? What the fuck makes you the god of edge? Why is there such a strict line of being edge or not? You have to do Every. Single. Thing. Edge. in order to be edge? Why must you be so guarded about your lifestyle, sure i understand you don't like posers...but there is nothing you can do about it. If in life there is something people like, there will be someone who says they like it to be accepted or seem cool. Posers are always going to be there, from music to sports to...anything. If they piss you off, fucking ignore them.
When i started that i was full of ideas...then as i wrote i ran out of steam, and then i just didnt care anymore....ill post this anyhow...
point being you can't say you're against drugs and then use drugs. and yes, to be edge there are really strict lines over what you can do and what you can't do.
xCAMIx
03-25-2006, 09:48 PM
point being you can't say you're against drugs and then use drugs. and yes, to be edge there are really strict lines over what you can do and what you can't do.
Someone told me there was caffiene in carrots.
xsecx
03-25-2006, 09:53 PM
Someone told me there was caffiene in carrots.
you believe lots of things people tell you.
xCAMIx
03-25-2006, 10:00 PM
you believe lots of things people tell you.
I didn't because I resumed muching my bag of carrots. I just wanted a second hand source to back me up.
stepinsideissue
03-26-2006, 02:07 AM
Someone told me there was caffiene in carrots.
I have a boat I want to sell you too.
Ah see, your the type of person that makes the discussion an argument. I garuntee that you are not 100% edge. You sit there and say that this person is not edge, and this person is not edge. This person did this wrong, he or she is not edge, Doesn't that make you just as bad as a poser? What the fuck makes you the god of edge? Why is there such a strict line of being edge or not? You have to do Every. Single. Thing. Edge. in order to be edge? Why must you be so guarded about your lifestyle, sure i understand you don't like posers...but there is nothing you can do about it. If in life there is something people like, there will be someone who says they like it to be accepted or seem cool. Posers are always going to be there, from music to sports to...anything. If they piss you off, fucking ignore them.
When i started that i was full of ideas...then as i wrote i ran out of steam, and then i just didnt care anymore....ill post this anyhow...
i'm a member of the straight edge police. enough said.
stepinsideissue
03-26-2006, 10:57 AM
i'm a member of the straight edge police. enough said.
You have the right to remain hXc. Anything you listen to should be hXc unless it be held against you. You have the right to live a drug free life. If you cannot acept a drug free life one will be forced upon you by hate edge. You have the right to ask dumb questions and think your christian. Do you understand these right as I have explained to you?
gatsaw
03-26-2006, 03:31 PM
You have the right to remain hXc. Anything you listen to should be hXc unless it be held against you. You have the right to live a drug free life. If you cannot acept a drug free life one will be forced upon you by hate edge. You have the right to ask dumb questions and think your christian. Do you understand these right as I have explained to you?
i thought that was funny. i would like a policeman to come up to me and say so.
i thought that was funny. i would like a policeman to come up to me and say so.
better watch your back, the sxe police is everywhere!
D1988
03-28-2006, 02:24 PM
back to caffiene! firstly, it comes in many forms, so do you people exclude all forms and kinds of caffiene??
Most types of chocolate even have caffiene, I am just wondering if you guys exclude caffiene 100%???
xsecx
03-28-2006, 02:36 PM
back to caffiene! firstly, it comes in many forms, so do you people exclude all forms and kinds of caffiene??
Most types of chocolate even have caffiene, I am just wondering if you guys exclude caffiene 100%???
the amount of caffiene that is in chocolate and decaf beverages is so tiny that it isn't possible to effect the body, so there's no reason to avoid it. It's the same with alcohol. There's such a tiny amount of alcohol in things like fruit juice, soy sauce, bread, that it's just not worth worrying about. The amount of caffeine in a milk chocolate bar is between 3-6 mgs per serving. The amount of caffeine in a 12 oz can of coke is 34mg. The generally agreed upon number of 20mg is the amount of caffeine you need to injest before it affects you.
D1988
03-29-2006, 06:42 AM
ahhh cool, thats cleared up quite a few things there, I had been thinking you needed to avoid caffiene 100% which I thought basically impossible as its in so much things that you maybe even wouldn't know about. thanks
gatsaw
03-29-2006, 03:30 PM
better watch your back, the sxe police is everywhere!
yeah, maybe so but they have never said so to me. no "real" policeman has ever said the "original" to me either.
D1988
03-30-2006, 06:41 PM
oh another thing, 20mg, do you take this amount as like a daily amount or sumthing?
xCAMIx
03-30-2006, 07:31 PM
Well, I love Monster Energy and it is filled with Caffeice and Guarana Seed Extract. It doesn't really phase me at all but the flavor of the drink is great. I saw that mostly everyone here don't drink any caffeine or anything to that effect.
I was just wonder, would I still be considered edge since I drink stuff with caffeine/energy stuff? I mean, I dont smoke, drink, no drugs or anything but damn, haha. This is jsut something I was thinking about since I love Monster Energy, all 4 flavors rock, haha. I do mostly drink maybe water or some tea from WaWa.
But yeah, I still consider myself straight edge but I'm just not sure on what you guys would think.
Ingredients in Monster:
Carbonated Water, Sucrose, Glucose,
Citric Acid, Natural Flavors, Taurine,
Sodium Citrate, Color Added, Panax
Ginseng Root Extract, L-Carnitine,
Caffeine, Ascorbic Acid, Sorbic Acid,
Benzoic Acid, Niacinamide, Sodium
Chloride, Glucuronolactone, Inositol,
Guarana Seed Extract, Pyridoxine
Hydrochloride, Sucralose, Riboflavin,
Maltodextrin, and Cyanocobalamin
(wow i havent even heard of 75% of those things)
If you drink caffiene, your'e doing drugs, kiddo.
xsecx
03-31-2006, 07:46 AM
oh another thing, 20mg, do you take this amount as like a daily amount or sumthing?
single 20mg or above dosage. the amount of caffeine in the system is the same as all other drugs and decreases over time.
XBILLYX
03-31-2006, 12:00 PM
edge is alot of your own choices so it doesnt really matter if the board is one side or the other.
xsecx
03-31-2006, 12:37 PM
edge is alot of your own choices so it doesnt really matter if the board is one side or the other.
how is it your own choice in terms of if you want to use a drug or not?
XBILLYX
03-31-2006, 12:39 PM
how is it your own choice in terms of if you want to use a drug or not?
i see it as a drug but a lot of people dont. because its a everydaything people dont think of it in terms of drugs. so its your choice to belief it or not.
xsecx
03-31-2006, 12:43 PM
i see it as a drug but a lot of people dont. because its a everydaything people dont think of it in terms of drugs. so its your choice to belief it or not.
it being a drug isn't an opinion though. it is a drug. there's no way around it.
XBILLYX
03-31-2006, 12:46 PM
it being a drug isn't an opinion though. it is a drug. there's no way around it.
yea your right. it doesnt change the fact that people dont see it as one. once you see that facts and make your mind up to stop shuting it out and see it as the drug it is. thats were you have a choice. you stay blind or you open your mind
xsecx
03-31-2006, 12:53 PM
yea your right. it doesnt change the fact that people dont see it as one. once you see that facts and make your mind up to stop shuting it out and see it as the drug it is. thats were you have a choice. you stay blind or you open your mind
which is why ignorance should be directly and repeatedly challenged.
D1988
04-01-2006, 06:44 PM
The Reason for me asking these questions by the way is because I am trying to see what different individuals think.
the way I see it, caffiene yes it is a drug BUT you don't see people wasting all of there money or becoming addicted as such compared to alcohol, tobacco and drugs. we don't see people being killed because of caffiene. i am going to agree it is a drug but in my own opinion you can still be Edge if you use caffiene, me myself I am yet to decide upon this
another question here, a person drinks water, doesn't drink fizzy drinks, coffee etc but east the occasional chocolate bar, are they caffiene free in your eyes?
xsecx
04-01-2006, 09:04 PM
The Reason for me asking these questions by the way is because I am trying to see what different individuals think.
the way I see it, caffiene yes it is a drug BUT you don't see people wasting all of there money or becoming addicted as such compared to alcohol, tobacco and drugs. we don't see people being killed because of caffiene. i am going to agree it is a drug but in my own opinion you can still be Edge if you use caffiene, me myself I am yet to decide upon this
another question here, a person drinks water, doesn't drink fizzy drinks, coffee etc but east the occasional chocolate bar, are they caffiene free in your eyes?
not all drugs kill people or lead to addiction, or cost a lot of money. It all comes down to why you don't like drugs. If it's just death and addiction, then what's wrong with weed?
D1988
04-02-2006, 10:19 AM
weed can become addictive, weed can cost alot of money. It becomes more like a habit such as smoking. I don' think caffiene has the effect on people other drugs do.
there are gonna be hundreds of arguements for and against the use of caffiene but it is all gonna narrow down to personal choice
xsecx
04-02-2006, 10:31 AM
weed can become addictive, weed can cost alot of money. It becomes more like a habit such as smoking. I don' think caffiene has the effect on people other drugs do.
there are gonna be hundreds of arguements for and against the use of caffiene but it is all gonna narrow down to personal choice
caffeine is addictive, far more so than weed and has actually been documented as a cause of death. How can you examine the effects of caffeine when it's a normal daily habit for for people?
and no, I can't see how anyone can make an argument for the recreational use of caffeine being ok, but the recreational use of another drug isn't. The personal choice thing is a copout to be able to do whatever you want and not actually have to live accordance to your professed beliefs.
D1988
04-02-2006, 10:34 AM
wow, i think i am gonna need to learn to shut up on here haha
xsecx
04-02-2006, 10:59 AM
wow, i think i am gonna need to learn to shut up on here haha
or just be able to back up what you say. the thing is, weed is amazingly harmless, but no one who's edge would even consider using it. so why is caffeine different? because people have been using it since they were children.
D1988
04-02-2006, 06:56 PM
i understand what you mean
i just don't have the knowledge to back up what I say, I don't think as much into sumthing as you do, but I am learning from this man, so thanks anyhow
XBILLYX
04-03-2006, 12:28 PM
The Reason for me asking these questions by the way is because I am trying to see what different individuals think.
the way I see it, caffiene yes it is a drug BUT you don't see people wasting all of there money or becoming addicted as such compared to alcohol, tobacco and drugs. we don't see people being killed because of caffiene. i am going to agree it is a drug but in my own opinion you can still be Edge if you use caffiene, me myself I am yet to decide upon this
another question here, a person drinks water, doesn't drink fizzy drinks, coffee etc but east the occasional chocolate bar, are they caffiene free in your eyes?
people dont get addicted to it huh? what about those people that drink pespi morning to night? some people dont drink anything else but coke or pespi because they are addicted.
XBILLYX
04-03-2006, 12:32 PM
caffeine is addictive, far more so than weed and has actually been documented as a cause of death. How can you examine the effects of caffeine when it's a normal daily habit for for people?
and no, I can't see how anyone can make an argument for the recreational use of caffeine being ok, but the recreational use of another drug isn't. The personal choice thing is a copout to be able to do whatever you want and not actually have to live accordance to your professed beliefs.
thats cold dusty. i agree its a copout but you dont need to rub it in my face that i think people see it this way. if you told someone addicted to this caffine that it was a drug gave him facts you think he would stop? or would he stay blind?
straightXed
04-03-2006, 01:58 PM
thats cold dusty. i agree its a copout but you dont need to rub it in my face that i think people see it this way. if you told someone addicted to this caffine that it was a drug gave him facts you think he would stop? or would he stay blind?
By cold you mean simply accurate?
xsecx
04-03-2006, 02:00 PM
thats cold dusty. i agree its a copout but you dont need to rub it in my face that i think people see it this way. if you told someone addicted to this caffine that it was a drug gave him facts you think he would stop? or would he stay blind?
unless they're incredibly stupid I'd hope they would stop.
xvunderx
04-03-2006, 02:03 PM
unless they're incredibly stupid I'd hope they would stop.
Or realize they are not against recreational drug use after all.
mouseman004
04-03-2006, 02:05 PM
My only question about caffeine is, if its so dangerous, why is there no legal limit of consumption before driving, why is their no legal age on drinking it? I'm not saying this to argue to be a smartass, its a legitimate question
xsecx
04-03-2006, 02:09 PM
My only question about caffeine is, if its so dangerous, why is there no legal limit of consumption before driving, why is their no legal age on drinking it? I'm not saying this to argue to be a smartass, its a legitimate question
who said it was so dangerous? It's just been said that it's more dangerous that weed.
I will say with the influx of energy drinks on the market you will most likely see regulations coming at some point in the future.
XBILLYX
04-07-2006, 12:00 PM
By cold you mean simply accurate?
or i mean he doesnt need to rub it in my face
unless they're incredibly stupid I'd hope they would stop.
or they dont see that its hurting them. so why stop?
xsecx
04-07-2006, 12:02 PM
or they dont see that its hurting them. so why stop?
why should anyone stop anything that's inconsistant with their beliefs? If you want to be a hypocrite, fine, there's no one that can stop you. But you have to be pretty retarded to admit you're a hypocrite and not want to change.
PaulT
04-13-2006, 10:50 AM
My only question about caffeine is, if its so dangerous, why is there no legal limit of consumption before driving, why is their no legal age on drinking it? I'm not saying this to argue to be a smartass, its a legitimate question
This is kind of a null argument because you can to go to any pharmacy/drug store around the country and buy may different kinds of products that will mess you up way to much to drive or do anything else. I know this because I have done this. It's sad yet true.
mouseman004
04-13-2006, 11:30 AM
This is kind of a null argument because you can to go to any pharmacy/drug store around the country and buy may different kinds of products that will mess you up way to much to drive or do anything else. I know this because I have done this. It's sad yet true.
Even so, but those drugs mostly have warnings that say "will make you drowsy" or "do not operate heavy machinery after use". Find me a can of pop or a coffee shop with those warnings
livithezombie
04-15-2006, 01:38 PM
taurine, caffeine and guarana are all drugs that are stimulants.
I haven't read this whole thread so sorry if this has already been asked, but are there any good drinks without these in?
stepinsideissue
04-15-2006, 02:24 PM
This is kind of a null argument because you can to go to any pharmacy/drug store around the country and buy may different kinds of products that will mess you up way to much to drive or do anything else. I know this because I have done this. It's sad yet true.
Yeah except those items were designed to help with an ailiment not to be used recreationally to get stoned like you do.
xsecx
04-15-2006, 02:40 PM
I haven't read this whole thread so sorry if this has already been asked, but are there any good drinks without these in?
energy drinks?
livithezombie
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
energy drinks?
I've just realised how stupid that post sounded, sorry!
No i meant that most sodas seem to contain caffeine, so are there any that you know that don't, accept for sprite which i know doesn't?
etaideRecognise
04-17-2006, 06:04 AM
tizer,
tango,
fanta,
appeltiser etc etc etc
livithezombie
04-17-2006, 06:25 AM
tizer,
tango,
fanta,
appeltiser etc etc etc
Thankyou!
mouseman004
04-17-2006, 02:59 PM
I drink caffiene, and it wasnt until a while ago that I realised I was addicted to it. Not coffee or tea, but coke. I was averaging 2-3 litres per day lol. Im a university student, free access to it. anyways, I tried to give it up and I went 6 days without a drop of caffiene until i realised that I couldnt do it so now I have just cut down to one can of pop per day. Its not exactly quitting but its a start. I guess caffeine is addictive.
D1988
04-19-2006, 09:23 AM
Thankyou!
most types of soda's have caffeine, but, the light or diet versions tend not too, if there are types of drinks you like check there webistes because most of them have the ingredients and it will tell you whether or not they contain caffeine, guarana etc
D1988
04-19-2006, 09:25 AM
I drink caffiene, and it wasnt until a while ago that I realised I was addicted to it. Not coffee or tea, but coke. I was averaging 2-3 litres per day lol. Im a university student, free access to it. anyways, I tried to give it up and I went 6 days without a drop of caffiene until i realised that I couldnt do it so now I have just cut down to one can of pop per day. Its not exactly quitting but its a start. I guess caffeine is addictive.
I was once the same, not as bad as 2-3 litres a day likes, but still is used to drink alot of Irn Bru (Scottish soft drink you might not have heard of) I cut down big time, went 2 months without touching it. I bet you feel 100 times better don't you? all I drank was water basically and I felt alot better, healthier, happier etc!
xsecx
04-19-2006, 09:25 AM
most types of soda's have caffeine, but, the light or diet versions tend not too, if there are types of drinks you like check there webistes because most of them have the ingredients and it will tell you whether or not they contain caffeine, guarana etc
as a general rule if the regular version has caffeine the diet version will too. especially since caffeine is used in weight loss pills as well.
D1988
04-19-2006, 09:30 AM
yeah, I kinda noticed that about the originals and diets but there are some that have caffeine in the original and don't in the light versions. I think it was 7up??? can't remeber was a while back when I checked some of them.
you follow 20mg a day Dusty? so if you were to drink water all day and have maybe a chocolate bar or 2 you still caffeine free?
xsecx
04-19-2006, 09:35 AM
yeah, I kinda noticed that about the originals and diets but there are some that have caffeine in the original and don't in the light versions. I think it was 7up??? can't remeber was a while back when I checked some of them.
you follow 20mg a day Dusty? so if you were to drink water all day and have maybe a chocolate bar or 2 you still caffeine free?
7up, at least here, is caffeine free in both. most clear soda's are caffeine free.
yeah I do follow 20 mg a day. Most days it's near or at 0. And it's not like water is the only beverage without caffeine. It's not that hard at all to do it. It's just a matter of breaking whatever habit you're into.
D1988
04-19-2006, 09:38 AM
7up, at least here, is caffeine free in both. most clear soda's are caffeine free.
yeah I do follow 20 mg a day. Most days it's near or at 0. And it's not like water is the only beverage without caffeine. It's not that hard at all to do it. It's just a matter of breaking whatever habit you're into.
yeah, I am guessing some drinks may be different in the different countries but I don't drink them anyway.
The reason I put water there like that is because thats what I drink mostly, I know of other things that I can drink so its all good, just wondering if sweets and chocolate have to be given up completely
xsecx
04-19-2006, 09:53 AM
yeah, I am guessing some drinks may be different in the different countries but I don't drink them anyway.
The reason I put water there like that is because thats what I drink mostly, I know of other things that I can drink so its all good, just wondering if sweets and chocolate have to be given up completely
no reason to give them up. you'd have to eat 5 bars, one right after the other in a very short amount of time to have enough caffeine in your system at that time to effect you.
D1988
04-19-2006, 09:56 AM
no reason to give them up. you'd have to eat 5 bars, one right after the other in a very short amount of time to have enough caffeine in your system at that time to effect you.
thanks, that clears up alot of things! your a great help Dusty, glad a joined these forums!
stepinsideissue
04-19-2006, 08:23 PM
most types of soda's have caffeine, but, the light or diet versions tend not too, if there are types of drinks you like check there webistes because most of them have the ingredients and it will tell you whether or not they contain caffeine, guarana etc
Except diet has nothing to do with caffiene content but rather how it's sweetened. There are plenty of light or diet sodas with caffeine.
D1988
04-20-2006, 07:31 AM
Except diet has nothing to do with caffiene content but rather how it's sweetened. There are plenty of light or diet sodas with caffeine.
hence I said to check the websites, better to make sure
etaideRecognise
04-20-2006, 05:22 PM
appletiser is just soda water and apple so its all good
stepinsideissue
04-21-2006, 09:49 AM
hence I said to check the websites, better to make sure
Except you said most sodas tend to have caffeine but the light or diet version tend not to which is simply not true at all. You shouldn't have to check out a web site for that. Any one can read the ingrediants on the can or bottle itself.
D1988
04-21-2006, 07:50 PM
Except you said most sodas tend to have caffeine but the light or diet version tend not to which is simply not true at all. You shouldn't have to check out a web site for that. Any one can read the ingrediants on the can or bottle itself.
yes but many of the soda's here do not say anything about caffeine contents except energy drinks such as red bull!
maybe in the US things are different???
if it doesn't mention on the tin then there is no harm checking the webiste or that
xsecx
04-21-2006, 08:05 PM
yes but many of the soda's here do not say anything about caffeine contents except energy drinks such as red bull!
maybe in the US things are different???
if it doesn't mention on the tin then there is no harm checking the webiste or that
most sodas will list caffeine as an ingredients.
hidden_verses
05-15-2006, 12:07 PM
The overall consensus on this board is that caffiene is a recreational drug so to be sxe you cant drink it
This is just stupid...dusty you don't need to make other's happy on how straight edge you are or not, I choose my posions wisely coffee and music, instead of drugs and alchol, I DON'T CARE, if coffe is a stimulant blah fucking blah, least with coffee or red bull or watever you take im not up with a hangover puking my guts out the next morning, people become straight edge for different reasons me cuz I hated the drunk feeling and I hate being not in control of myself, there's different degree's or straight edge, just like different degrees of vegetarisim, like either no red meat, vegetarian, and then vegan. So seriously before you guys start harassing people on how straight edge they are, stop and just think of there reasons for doing it, everyone has different reasons for doing it, and different degreees they want to go into
Later
xsecx
05-15-2006, 12:11 PM
This is just stupid...dusty you don't need to make other's happy on how straight edge you are or not, I choose my posions wisely coffee and music, instead of drugs and alchol, I DON'T CARE, if coffe is a stimulant blah fucking blah, least with coffee or red bull or watever you take im not up with a hangover puking my guts out the next morning, people become straight edge for different reasons me cuz I hated the drunk feeling and I hate being not in control of myself, there's different degree's or straight edge, just like different degrees of vegetarisim, like either no red meat, vegetarian, and then vegan. So seriously before you guys start harassing people on how straight edge they are, stop and just think of there reasons for doing it, everyone has different reasons for doing it, and different degreees they want to go into
Later
there aren't different degrees though. you're either against something or you're not. If you're against the recreational use of drugs, then you're against them. What makes caffeine ok and pot not? What makes red bull or energy drinks ok but coke not? What drugs are ok to use recreationally so you can say yeah I use that, but I'm against all the BAD recreational drugs. You talk about how you hate not being in control of yourself and then talk about how you use outside substances that alter your body and your reality, how is that consistent?
Moderately Anti-Hero
09-13-2006, 02:58 PM
I am not straight edge, but I registered just for this.
I am a caffeine addict. I drink multiple endergy drinks every day and pop caffeine pills constantly.
I spend so much money on this shit like you would not beleive.
And I overdosed two days ago. I have been in a dead state ever since and am trying to quit but I find myself doing the same crap. I am hooked.
I found this thread trying to find a way to get support. I searched "recreational use of caffeine" and "addiction". I am even lower now that this b.s was the only thing that came up.
Oh, and btw, caffeine kills 1000 americans annually. Fact.
Later.
Moderately Anti-Hero
09-13-2006, 03:34 PM
My typical daily dosage...
1 liter Mountan Dew ($2.00)
A pack of energy drinks ($8.00)
1-3 Caffeine pills (I buy when I run out)
1-3 cups of coffee (buy when I run out)
Top that off with a pack a day cigarette smoking. I also spend $25 dollars on weed on about a monthly basis and I don't even really consider that much of an expendeture. And I often don't even have the cash to get weed.
Money?
xcriterionmasterx
03-14-2008, 11:01 AM
you can drink pop and still be edge. some straight edge people do, some don't. so just because he drinks pepsi doesn't mean he is or isn't edge. but my bet is he isn't.
straightXed
03-14-2008, 11:44 AM
you can drink pop and still be edge. some straight edge people do, some don't. so just because he drinks pepsi doesn't mean he is or isn't edge. but my bet is he isn't.
I was just wondering about the caffeine in pepsi, do you feel its ok because its only a small amount? Or is there some other reason why caffeine is an acceptable drug for a straightedge person to take? I ask this because i can't seem to find a way to justify it personally so i would be interested in your slant on this.
mouseman004
03-14-2008, 11:48 AM
you can drink pop and still be edge. some straight edge people do, some don't. so just because he drinks pepsi doesn't mean he is or isn't edge. but my bet is he isn't.
Caffiene is a recreational drug. Pop/coffee is the only reason I am not edge.
xcriterionmasterx
03-14-2008, 11:56 AM
i am going to look like an idiot quoting wikipedia, but here: "Straight edge refers to a lifestyle and scene that started within the hardcore punk subculture whose adherents abstain from alcohol, smoking, and other recreational drug use. There is considerable debate over what constitutes a straight edge lifestyle, and some adherents may also abstain from caffeine, psychiatric medication and promiscuity, or follow a vegetarian or vegan diet. The term was coined by the 1980s hardcore punk band Minor Threat. There is a difference from simply being abstinent of harmful substances and actually being straight edge."
it wasn't until i joined this forum actually, that i knew anything about the whole pop thing. i don't think drinking pop is a break of edge, to some people it may be, just like some people on here don't take medicine, etc. i don't really know anyone around erie who doesn't drink pop, which is why i hadn't heard of it until now.
Here we go again motherfuckers!!!!
xcriterionmasterx
03-14-2008, 12:03 PM
http://i25.tinypic.com/2nv9ymd.jpg
this is all the proof i need, ian, from early minor threat drinking a coke. :] haha.
straightXed
03-14-2008, 12:26 PM
i am going to look like an idiot quoting wikipedia, but here: "Straight edge refers to a lifestyle and scene that started within the hardcore punk subculture whose adherents abstain from alcohol, smoking, and other recreational drug use. There is considerable debate over what constitutes a straight edge lifestyle, and some adherents may also abstain from caffeine, psychiatric medication and promiscuity, or follow a vegetarian or vegan diet. The term was coined by the 1980s hardcore punk band Minor Threat. There is a difference from simply being abstinent of harmful substances and actually being straight edge."
it wasn't until i joined this forum actually, that i knew anything about the whole pop thing. i don't think drinking pop is a break of edge, to some people it may be, just like some people on here don't take medicine, etc. i don't really know anyone around erie who doesn't drink pop, which is why i hadn't heard of it until now.
Hmmmm, i don't really think this answers my question...see what i want to know is why one drug should be acceptable and another one shouldn't. Its not a pop issue but a caffeine issue, you quoted wikipedia and it says: "adherents abstain from alcohol, smoking, and other recreational drug use" and what i want to know is why doesn't caffeine come under "other recreational drug use".
For the record, abstaining from medical treatment is plain silly and theres a clear reason why people should take those drugs but if you are against recreational drug use caffeine usage baffles me.
mouseman004
03-14-2008, 12:36 PM
http://i25.tinypic.com/2nv9ymd.jpg
this is all the proof i need, ian, from early minor threat drinking a coke. :] haha.
Ian is not really the best example to use. Ian promotes moderation and argued that he never meant for straight edge to go so far.
xcriterionmasterx
03-14-2008, 12:53 PM
Hmmmm, i don't really think this answers my question...see what i want to know is why one drug should be acceptable and another one shouldn't. Its not a pop issue but a caffeine issue, you quoted wikipedia and it says: "adherents abstain from alcohol, smoking, and other recreational drug use" and what i want to know is why doesn't caffeine come under "other recreational drug use".
For the record, abstaining from medical treatment is plain silly and theres a clear reason why people should take those drugs but if you are against recreational drug use caffeine usage baffles me.
i guess i don't see it as a recreational drug, or one that poisons you. in fact, i never really saw caffeine or pop as a drug, until it was mentioned here. so i can't really answer your question. because i don't really know what to say, there is nothing to defend it. but i have a question, do you see people who drink pop still, which is mostly every edge person i know, as not straight edge?
and yeah, obviously, that is stupid. if you value your life, then you take the medicine. and i value my life, which is why i am straight edge.
xcriterionmasterx
03-14-2008, 12:54 PM
Ian is not really the best example to use. Ian promotes moderation and argued that he never meant for straight edge to go so far.
yeah, i was just joking. i happened to be looking through my pictures after we started discussing this, and came across the picture.
xvunderx
03-14-2008, 01:00 PM
i guess i don't see it as a recreational drug, or one that poisons you. in fact, i never really saw caffeine or pop as a drug, until it was mentioned here. so i can't really answer your question. because i don't really know what to say, there is nothing to defend it. but i have a question, do you see people who drink pop still, which is mostly every edge person i know, as not straight edge?
and yeah, obviously, that is stupid. if you value your life, then you take the medicine. and i value my life, which is why i am straight edge.
It's not about pop though it's about caffeine, not every soda contains caffeine. But yeah caffeine is a recreational drug, it's a stimulant just like good old cocaine.
There's a long thread on this somewhere on here?
straightXed
03-14-2008, 04:45 PM
i guess i don't see it as a recreational drug, or one that poisons you. in fact, i never really saw caffeine or pop as a drug, until it was mentioned here. so i can't really answer your question. because i don't really know what to say, there is nothing to defend it. but i have a question, do you see people who drink pop still, which is mostly every edge person i know, as not straight edge?
and yeah, obviously, that is stupid. if you value your life, then you take the medicine. and i value my life, which is why i am straight edge.
Its not that important how i see them but i will ask them how they reconcile the idea of abstinence of recreational drug use with the fact they are using a drug recreationally. If you didn't see caffeine as a drug before then that just says to me you weren't really aware of it as such but now its pointed out to you as a drug and as something that can cause harm have you reevaluated your stance on the matter? Or would you simply ignore the evidence of it being a drug?
Personally i feel that caffeines position in society actually makes it seem so much more acceptable than perhaps it should be, especially with a strong view on drug use...to a certain extant i feel that ignorance comes into play with people choosing to ignore certain things. However its just an observation and sometimes it just takes people a while to look at things and change their minds on it, caffeine just seems like a non issue to a lot of people until they examine it. However pop is great and i have nothing against pop with drug free ingredients!!
D1988
03-14-2008, 05:02 PM
Hey, is there any pictures of Ian drinking wine? Maybe if we find that, us edge kids can start drinking wine, and if we need to prove that it's OK to anyone, we can show the picture and say "Ian does it, so it's coooooool buddy".
No disrespect, I'm just joking around with that. But theres so many people who will use the "Minor Threat drank Coke so it's OK" excuse.
truthb4trust
03-15-2008, 07:24 AM
saying caffeine is like 'good ol' cocaine is retarded. If you've ever done cocaine you'd know they are nothing alike. I am straight edge and I drink soda with caffeine. I can't think of one example where a "pop addict" lost his job, ruined his marriage or basically flushed it all away over cracking a pepsi.
D1988
03-15-2008, 07:52 AM
saying caffeine is like 'good ol' cocaine is retarded. If you've ever done cocaine you'd know they are nothing alike. I am straight edge and I drink soda with caffeine. I can't think of one example where a "pop addict" lost his job, ruined his marriage or basically flushed it all away over cracking a pepsi.
So if you are using a recreational drug, it's OK to still call yourself straight edge as long as it doesn't ruin your life? Basically.....
Caffeine is a drug. how can you be "drug free" if you drink soda with a drug in it?
straightXed
03-15-2008, 08:18 AM
saying caffeine is like 'good ol' cocaine is retarded. If you've ever done cocaine you'd know they are nothing alike. I am straight edge and I drink soda with caffeine. I can't think of one example where a "pop addict" lost his job, ruined his marriage or basically flushed it all away over cracking a pepsi.
The two drugs are so very similar in their construct though and you actually took the comment out of context by omiting the the reason it was said to be like cocaine. Its a stimulant like cocaine, thats not retarded thats a fact.
Anyway it seems like you are saying that drugs are ok if they don't ruin your marriage or lose you your job, is that right?
truthb4trust
03-15-2008, 07:41 PM
The two drugs are so very similar in their construct though and you actually took the comment out of context by omiting the the reason it was said to be like cocaine. Its a stimulant like cocaine, thats not retarded thats a fact.
Anyway it seems like you are saying that drugs are ok if they don't ruin your marriage or lose you your job, is that right?
not at all what I'm saying. Here's another fact for ya. did you know that there is actually caffeine in the air you breathe? If sticks to the red blood cells helping energize every muscle in your body to keep pumping, blood flowing and generally keep up with what you ask your body to do. So now breathing must mean your breaking edge. Hold your breath and be True Til Death.
Having a Coke and a smile,
BowseR
straightXed
03-15-2008, 08:28 PM
not at all what I'm saying. Here's another fact for ya. did you know that there is actually caffeine in the air you breathe? If sticks to the red blood cells helping energize every muscle in your body to keep pumping, blood flowing and generally keep up with what you ask your body to do. So now breathing must mean your breaking edge. Hold your breath and be True Til Death.
Having a Coke and a smile,
BowseR
If thats not what you are saying then how do you give a cohesive logic behind omitting one drug and not another, particularly in regards to a stance that is against the use of drugs recreationally? If caffeine is ok then why is it ok? Are any other lower grade stimulants ok? Are any other recreational drugs ok?
As for the notion of there being caffeine in the air, well i haven't heard this before and perhaps you could point me to the evidence, i did a quick search but found nothing. However if it were true its a rather different scenario altogether. Firstly i'm doubtful that there is anything more than trace amounts in the air that are way to insignificant to give an effect to be concerned about where as the amounts found in soda does have an effect on your mind, central nervous system, heart as well as adding considerable stress over time to many other organs. And secondly you can't avoid breathing and it would be pretty dumb to try where as soda with caffeine in is very avoidable and there are even multiple alternatives. This raises the question of; if there are so many alternatives available and you are against drug use then why would you drink a drink with a drug in it?
truthb4trust
03-15-2008, 10:01 PM
I do not consider caffeine a drug any more than I consider sugar a drug. Are you anti-cookies?
straightXed
03-16-2008, 06:23 AM
I do not consider caffeine a drug any more than I consider sugar a drug. Are you anti-cookies?
sugar isn't a drug and i'm not sure why anyone would think it was, so obviously i am not "anti-cookies". But why don't you consider caffeine a drug? Why do you disagree with medical professionals worldwide on this? What evidence do you have that it is not a drug?
If its not a drug does that make other low grade stimulants ok also?
And i really am interested to find out more about this fact of yours about caffeine in the air, are you able to point me to documentation on this?
xsecx
03-16-2008, 08:32 AM
I do not consider caffeine a drug any more than I consider sugar a drug. Are you anti-cookies?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0119_050119_ngm_caffeine.html
xsecx
03-16-2008, 08:39 AM
all the non cm punk conversation got moved here instead.
truthb4trust
03-16-2008, 02:37 PM
so none of you drink soda, coffee or eat chocolate eh? I find that hard to believe. As for my saying caffeine was in the air, I remember hearing about it somewhere/sometime and it stuck in my head. May or may not be true but I will continue to not drink, not smoke and never do drugs all while calling myself straight edge. If that means not coming to this board anymore, so be it. My signature says it all.
xsecx
03-16-2008, 02:40 PM
so none of you drink soda, coffee or eat chocolate eh? I find that hard to believe. As for my saying caffeine was in the air, I remember hearing about it somewhere/sometime and it stuck in my head. May or may not be true but I will continue to not drink, not smoke and never do drugs all while calling myself straight edge. If that means not coming to this board anymore, so be it. My signature says it all.
why do you find it hard to believe that people would avoid taking drugs recreationally? Why are you getting defensive instead of taking what's been said and discuss it?
straightXed
03-16-2008, 03:14 PM
so none of you drink soda, coffee or eat chocolate eh? I find that hard to believe. As for my saying caffeine was in the air, I remember hearing about it somewhere/sometime and it stuck in my head. May or may not be true but I will continue to not drink, not smoke and never do drugs all while calling myself straight edge. If that means not coming to this board anymore, so be it. My signature says it all.
Well i am sorry you find it so hard to believe. I am not making any suggestion that you shouldn't come to this board, seriously, i am just asking questions about the usage of caffeine. In fact i hope you stay and discuss it.
I just would like to know why you don't see caffeine as a drug? I see it as a drug so with that in mind i wonder why you would use it? I'm just trying to establish the reasoning and logic behind why that particular stimulant is ok and others supposedly aren't ok. For me a lot of this goes back to my earlier statements of caffeines place in society but when we take the time to examine it then it is recreational drug usage and i can't think of why that usage should be omitted from being straightedge, can you?
truthb4trust
03-16-2008, 06:12 PM
I don't consider caffeine a drug anymore than I consider Vitamin C a drug. In fact, I get a bigger buzz off of orange juice than coffee anyday
xsecx
03-16-2008, 06:24 PM
I don't consider caffeine a drug anymore than I consider Vitamin C a drug. In fact, I get a bigger buzz off of orange juice than coffee anyday
you do realize that caffeine being a drug isn't really up for debate? Whethre you consider it a drug or not is irrelevant, it is a drug, and it's physically addictive.
did you even read this?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0119_050119_ngm_caffeine.html
mouseman004
03-16-2008, 06:46 PM
so none of you drink soda, coffee
I do. Hence why I am not edge.
straightXed
03-16-2008, 07:07 PM
I don't consider caffeine a drug anymore than I consider Vitamin C a drug. In fact, I get a bigger buzz off of orange juice than coffee anyday
Seeing as the rest of the world does consider it a drug and your stance goes against stacks of medical evidence it really does require explanation of why you don't consider it a drug. I have already asked this question but you don't seem to be able to answer it. All you did was post another post in the vain of the sugar/caffeine post but replaced sugar with vitamin c.
Personally i feel you are ignoring facts and evidence because to address these things would put you in a position where you would have to rethink what you are saying and for whatever reason you don't want to do that. I understand why you would do that but i can't help but feel you would be better off to be honest with the facts that are available instead.
Again, as with the last post like this, vitamin c is not a drug and caffeine is. Whatever buzz you feel you are getting from orange juice is more than likely simply refreshment or some kind of auto suggestion. Caffeine however does give a buzz and it does change the way your body reacts and behaves, many people who use caffeine for long periods of time may not feel any particular buzz and just feel normal from the dosage. This is because people become accustomed to the drug and it does fall into an addictive pattern which also can produce withdrawal symptoms when a user stops. Its not as harsh as withdrawal from other drugs but its there.
Some people are moody and irritable when they haven't had coffee and others can't even face the day without a morning coffee, people use caffeine to stay awake and if you drink a bunch of coffee before bed sleeping becomes rather hard. Now with all those common examples of the effects of caffeine that are documented world wide i really struggle to see why you say its not a drug?
So perhaps you would be kind enough to share your reasoning as to why its not a drug?
straightXed
03-16-2008, 07:10 PM
I do. Hence why I am not edge.
So do you enjoy caffeine? I just wondered what makes you continue to use it?
xcriterionmasterx
03-17-2008, 07:42 AM
i missed some discussion. it is a drug, obviously, i can't disprove that or something. i myself, and many others, since only some edge people do not drink caffeine, still drink it and don't think it breaks edge. there is really no reason i can give, but i am going and to try and start drinking caffeine-free pop. only because you say it affects me more than i thought it did, although completely stopping doesn't seem likely, and me still being straight edge either way, does.
but either way, for some it is an edge break for others it is not. no explanation. it reminds me of xsecx and the whole sex discussion. some people just think different things make an edge break.
xsecx
03-17-2008, 08:43 AM
i missed some discussion. it is a drug, obviously, i can't disprove that or something. i myself, and many others, since only some edge people do not drink caffeine, still drink it and don't think it breaks edge. there is really no reason i can give, but i am going and to try and start drinking caffeine-free pop. only because you say it affects me more than i thought it did, although completely stopping doesn't seem likely, and me still being straight edge either way, does.
but either way, for some it is an edge break for others it is not. no explanation. it reminds me of xsecx and the whole sex discussion. some people just think different things make an edge break.
The people who don't think it's a drug have either not really thought about it, or they're actively living in denial of the contradiction.
mouseman004
03-17-2008, 08:58 AM
So do you enjoy caffeine? I just wondered what makes you continue to use it?
I love coke and I enjoy drinking coffee. I tried to give up caffiene, I lasted about 2 weeks.
http://i25.tinypic.com/2nv9ymd.jpg
this is all the proof i need, ian, from early minor threat drinking a coke. :] haha.
This makes me remember a fanzine interview from 89 with then krsna Harley Flanagen bashing sxe kids who drink coke, saying something to the extent of: "they claim they are drug free, but they drink coke like water. hello, caffeine is a drug! "
People back in the day knew this, just ignored it, I think it has to do with the almighty Minor Threat drinking it, Last Rights references, that it got so bond with sxe.
Being sxe to me has a part of not following like sheep. I know a guy, who told me if YOT wore rubber boots, dreadlocks, and drank fanta, he would act like that as well. Which, in my eyes is the stupidest thing ever.
xsecx
03-17-2008, 09:31 AM
I love coke and I enjoy drinking coffee. I tried to give up caffiene, I lasted about 2 weeks.
decaf coffee and caffeine free coke are amazing things.
mouseman004
03-17-2008, 10:31 AM
decaf coffee and caffeine free coke are amazing things.
I have never tried decaf coffee. But I really dont like caffeine free coke.
xsecx
03-17-2008, 10:33 AM
I have never tried decaf coffee. But I really dont like caffeine free coke.
why, you prefer that weird bitter taste that caffeine has?
mouseman004
03-17-2008, 10:38 AM
why, you prefer that weird bitter taste that caffeine has?
I guess so? I haven't had caffiene free coke in years, but the last time i had it it tasted flavourless like diet coke. Has it changed since then?
xsecx
03-17-2008, 10:42 AM
I guess so? I haven't had caffiene free coke in years, but the last time i had it it tasted flavourless like diet coke. Has it changed since then?
I don't know what you were drinking then, unless it was caffeine free diet coke which exists too.
mouseman004
03-17-2008, 10:45 AM
I don't know what you were drinking then, unless it was caffeine free diet coke which exists too.
That is a definite possibility. I will definately have to check for caffiene free coke and try it out then. It isn't the caffiene in it that I like, its the taste of coke. So if I can find coke that tastes the same without the caffiene, then it is something I definately want to try out.
xsecx
03-17-2008, 10:51 AM
That is a definite possibility. I will definately have to check for caffiene free coke and try it out then. It isn't the caffiene in it that I like, its the taste of coke. So if I can find coke that tastes the same without the caffiene, then it is something I definately want to try out.
the caffeine free coke that I've always had, tastes the same, except slightly sweeter because of the bitterness that comes from caffeine.
mouseman004
03-17-2008, 11:01 AM
the caffeine free coke that I've always had, tastes the same, except slightly sweeter because of the bitterness that comes from caffeine.
That is wicked, I will have to check that out. Thanks a lot.
JoeyX
03-17-2008, 01:39 PM
Caffeine doesn't seem like a drug to me. I'm not saying that some drugs are okay and some aren't, what my point is that why should the person asking about caffeine need the approval or opinion about how they should live and what they should do and how to do it. Why should they care what people think of them, im not really sure if im saying it clearly...i never really am able to get my point across alot to people.
It is not the point of approval. It is the facts......if you drink caffinated drinks, you simply, are not edge. There is no way around it. Saying a person can drink caffinated drinks and be defined as edge, is as rediculous as someone saying.....________________ << someone fill that blank spot. I couldn't think of anything good enough.
JoeyX
03-17-2008, 01:41 PM
saying caffeine is like 'good ol' cocaine is retarded. If you've ever done cocaine you'd know they are nothing alike. I am straight edge and I drink soda with caffeine. I can't think of one example where a "pop addict" lost his job, ruined his marriage or basically flushed it all away over cracking a pepsi.
weather it is something that affects your life or not, it still alters your state of mind, weather it be in the smallest amounts, or the biggest, weather they are on the opposite ends of the spectrum, they alter your mind. It is a drug, simple as that.
xcriterionmasterx
03-17-2008, 01:50 PM
i am edge. there are thousands of other people who drink pop and are edge. i see what you are saying obviously, and i am going to try and stop drinking caffeine in pop, but the fact remains that people still call themselves edge with caffeine, and i will call myself that, too. there is no reason behind it other than maybe people see edge bands doing it, or they don't feel it counts as a "drug," but i still am straight edge, and will always be.
xsecx
03-17-2008, 01:53 PM
i am edge. there are thousands of other people who drink pop and are edge. i see what you are saying obviously, and i am going to try and stop drinking caffeine in pop, but the fact remains that people still call themselves edge with caffeine, and i will call myself that, too. there is no reason behind it other than maybe people see edge bands doing it, or they don't feel it counts as a "drug," but i still am straight edge, and will always be.
so what would you say to someone who ate pot brownies and said they were edge?
so what would you say to someone who ate pot brownies and said they were edge?
HI SPRINGA!
xcriterionmasterx
03-18-2008, 08:07 AM
pot is not what is the difference between edge people, i don't know any straight edge person who would call themselves that after smoking/eating/what have you, pot. wikipedia describes it all pretty well.
xsecx
03-18-2008, 08:11 AM
pot is not what is the difference between edge people, i don't know any straight edge person who would call themselves that after smoking/eating/what have you, pot. wikipedia describes it all pretty well.
why not? What's the difference? I mean, pot's not addictive, caffeine is. Pot has no long term negative effects, especially if it's eaten and not smoked. So you'd just tell them they're not edge because wikipedia said so?
D1988
03-18-2008, 08:12 AM
pot is not what is the difference between edge people, i don't know any straight edge person who would call themselves that after smoking/eating/what have you, pot. wikipedia describes it all pretty well.
Wikipedia describes nothing well.
How about I go on wikipedia and edit the page on Straight Edge to say exactly what I think straight edge is and should be? Would that mean you would start living your straight edge lifestyle the way I have written it up on Wikipedia? Remember, anyone can edit the wikipedia page and the page right now is made up on opinions and beliefs of what the page creator has of straight edge, who is to say what they say is the be all end all of what straight edge should represent.
HI SPRINGA!
I thought this was funny :(
xcriterionmasterx
03-18-2008, 08:35 AM
Wikipedia describes nothing well.
How about I go on wikipedia and edit the page on Straight Edge to say exactly what I think straight edge is and should be? Would that mean you would start living your straight edge lifestyle the way I have written it up on Wikipedia? Remember, anyone can edit the wikipedia page and the page right now is made up on opinions and beliefs of what the page creator has of straight edge, who is to say what they say is the be all end all of what straight edge should represent.
yeah, i realize it is edited by someone, or a bunch of different people, but i think they have talked about edge from every angle, basically. they didn't say this is what is, or this is what it is not, they say what some people believe and whatnot.
i am not saying i follow wikipedia, i didn't even know the article existed till long after i became edge. you could edit the page if you wanted, i don't care, but i think you should keep it with what is true, that some edge people still drink caffeine in pop, others don't.
xcriterionmasterx
03-18-2008, 08:39 AM
why not? What's the difference? I mean, pot's not addictive, caffeine is. Pot has no long term negative effects, especially if it's eaten and not smoked. So you'd just tell them they're not edge because wikipedia said so?
one difference, although it has nothing to do with what i feel about it, is pot is illegal. but i know there are drugs that are legal that straight edge people don't do, so being illegal or legal doesn't matter.
i am just going by what i see in my community and in early straight edge music and bands. like i said above, i didn't even know this wikipedia page existed until long after i became edge.
xsecx
03-18-2008, 08:56 AM
one difference, although it has nothing to do with what i feel about it, is pot is illegal. but i know there are drugs that are legal that straight edge people don't do, so being illegal or legal doesn't matter.
i am just going by what i see in my community and in early straight edge music and bands. like i said above, i didn't even know this wikipedia page existed until long after i became edge.
so then why would you say that someone that drinks energy drinks or massive amounts of coke or mt dew is edge, but someone who eats pot brownies isn't?
mouseman004
03-18-2008, 08:59 AM
so then why would you say that someone that drinks energy drinks or massive amounts of coke or mt dew is edge, but someone who eats pot brownies isn't?
There is caffiene in Mountain Dew?
xsecx
03-18-2008, 09:29 AM
There is caffiene in Mountain Dew?
in the US yes, a shitload more than most sodas. in canada, I don't know. i think you guys have a weird law about not having caffeine in things that are "clear"
mouseman004
03-18-2008, 09:43 AM
in the US yes, a shitload more than most sodas. in canada, I don't know. i think you guys have a weird law about not having caffeine in things that are "clear"
I will have to check that out. Yeah I was under the impression that clear pops like Sprite, Ginger Ale or Mountain Dew were caffiene free. Although a few years back mountain dew put out an energy drink so I am not sure. I will have to check that out, I am pretty curious.
D1988
03-18-2008, 10:14 AM
Sprite and 7up are caffeine free.
straightXed
03-18-2008, 11:09 AM
one difference, although it has nothing to do with what i feel about it, is pot is illegal. but i know there are drugs that are legal that straight edge people don't do, so being illegal or legal doesn't matter.
i am just going by what i see in my community and in early straight edge music and bands. like i said above, i didn't even know this wikipedia page existed until long after i became edge.
Its easy to go along with what you see in your community or whats written on wikipedia or anywhere, even here. The thing is not just to go by what others have written or what others do by really examine it for yourself. The thing is its something that is championed and encouraged here, for people to actually take a really objective look at all the facts and formulate opinions that have strength and integrity. I mean going by what others have done doesn't really examine why caffeine should be condoned and doesn't really give solid reasoning. You just really have to ask yourself why is caffeine ok, why aren't other drugs ok.
mouseman004
04-12-2008, 01:40 PM
I just bought Caffiene free Pepsi for the first time today, and there is not really much of a taste difference. I am impressed so far. I am makin my way to being caffiene free.
I just bought Caffiene free Pepsi for the first time today, and there is not really much of a taste difference. I am impressed so far. I am makin my way to being caffiene free.
GO YOU!
mouseman004
04-12-2008, 02:57 PM
GO YOU!
THANKS DINI!
D1988
04-12-2008, 06:13 PM
I just bought Caffiene free Pepsi for the first time today, and there is not really much of a taste difference. I am impressed so far. I am makin my way to being caffiene free.
Nice one buddy.
I didn't knwo you got caffeiene free Pepsi, I knew about the Coke version but not Pepsi.
mouseman004
04-12-2008, 06:51 PM
Nice one buddy.
I didn't knwo you got caffeiene free Pepsi, I knew about the Coke version but not Pepsi.
I can't find the coke, all I can find is caffiene free diet coke. The pepsi was all I could find that wasn't diet. And its not bad.
xdoylex
04-13-2008, 12:47 PM
about three years ago I was pretty into caffeinated beverages. I used it to keep me awake because i wouldn't be able to sleep at night, so I would be really tired the next day.
I realized it was really having a negative effect on my general functionality. I did alot of research and realized that it was just as bad for me as all the drugs I was so against using. Caffeine is a drug. I stopped immediately and haven't had a drink with a significant amount of caffeine since. its been almost 2 and a half years. I feel alot better from a personal well-being stand point. Its definitely worth it to try and phase it out. Good for you.
D1988
04-13-2008, 05:18 PM
I can't find the coke, all I can find is caffiene free diet coke. The pepsi was all I could find that wasn't diet. And its not bad.
Yeah sorry, I meant the diet coke version in the gold coloured tin. I don't think there is a regular version of caffeine free coke, just the diet.
xsecx
04-13-2008, 05:44 PM
Yeah sorry, I meant the diet coke version in the gold coloured tin. I don't think there is a regular version of caffeine free coke, just the diet.
no, there is.
D1988
04-13-2008, 06:14 PM
no, there is.
Pics or it didn't happen.
xsecx
04-13-2008, 06:28 PM
Pics or it didn't happen.
google or your computer gets taken away.
D1988
04-13-2008, 06:42 PM
google or your computer gets taken away.
:(
chadfitzy
04-14-2008, 05:58 PM
ya there is. i just started drinking it a couple of weeks ago and it tast the same
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