the tattoo debate.

[teenager?]

hi, im new
&yes, i searched;

the other thread on this wasnt very helpful.


certain things i've heard have recently led me to believe that getting a tattoo does not go along with the sXe lifestyle.
[such as:]

>>tattoo ink contains a substantial amount of alchohol

>>tattoos are addictive
*obviously debatable, however it does make sense for such an act to at the very least for some people to create a mental addiction to the pain and stigma of gettng a tattoo.

>>tattoos are/can be harmful to the body.


thus far i havent been able to find any super intelligent debate on this topic, and am quite curious. though i am not a hardcore purist (will take meds if im *very* sick, try to avoid caffeine) i would still prefer to look into certain actions/substances before injecting/ingesting/partaking in them, you know?


thank you all very much in advance.

<3 kimberly.

[xsecx]

hi, im new
&yes, i searched;

the other thread on this wasnt very helpful.


certain things i've heard have recently led me to believe that getting a tattoo does not go along with the sXe lifestyle.
[such as:]

>>tattoo ink contains a substantial amount of alchohol

>>tattoos are addictive
*obviously debatable, however it does make sense for such an act to at the very least for some people to create a mental addiction to the pain and stigma of gettng a tattoo.

>>tattoos are/can be harmful to the body.


thus far i havent been able to find any super intelligent debate on this topic, and am quite curious. though i am not a hardcore purist (will take meds if im *very* sick, try to avoid caffeine) i would still prefer to look into certain actions/substances before injecting/ingesting/partaking in them, you know?


thank you all very much in advance.

<3 kimberly.

any behavior has the potential to be addicting.

the makeup of the ink is largely irrelvant because it isn't mood altering.

[HazardousGUM]

any behavior has the potential to be addicting.

That seems a bit general to me... Video games, work, porn, and sex all have potential to end up addictive. It seems a bit too all encompassing to me...

Love,
GUM.

[straightXed]

I got a tattoo 4 years ago and never needed to get more, and didn't feel any mindaltering effects from the ink and never endured any harm other that the actual scarring that is the tattoo. Skateboarding by this logic is against straightedge as its somewhat addictive and damages the body, in fact the way i'm sat typing this is actually increasing the risk of rsi so not straightedge. How far do you take this?

[teenager?]

I got a tattoo 4 years ago and never needed to get more, and didn't feel any mindaltering effects from the ink and never endured any harm other that the actual scarring that is the tattoo. Skateboarding by this logic is against straightedge as its somewhat addictive and damages the body, in fact the way i'm sat typing this is actually increasing the risk of rsi so not straightedge. How far do you take this?


i dont take it that far; like i said, im no hardcore purist or anything.


i also didnt mean each bullet individually, but rather all of the effects combined. therefore telling me that something is damaging -- therefore i shouldnt count it as sXe -- is totally irrelevant.

while you personally never needed to get more, friends of mine that have gotten them cant seem to stop planning more. same with gauging and peircings. which when taken to the extent that some people i know do it... can be considered self harm which is actually addictive.

unlike skateboarding. wtf. where did you even get that information?

[straightXed]

i dont take it that far; like i said, im no hardcore purist or anything.


i also didnt mean each bullet individually, but rather all of the effects combined. therefore telling me that something is damaging -- therefore i shouldnt count it as sXe -- is totally irrelevant.

while you personally never needed to get more, friends of mine that have gotten them cant seem to stop planning more. same with gauging and peircings. which when taken to the extent that some people i know do it... can be considered self harm which is actually addictive.

unlike skateboarding. wtf. where did you even get that information?

I get my information from a) being a skateboarder b) knowing many skateboarders and c) the consensus of the of skateboarders at large. Skateboarding is often commented on as addictive within skate and skate related media in much the same way people pursue their love of body mods people are all about living for skateboarding. To quote toy machine "skateboarding is our drug".

And skateboarding can alter your mind based on the natural chemicals the body produces and secretes, its damaging and addictive. The only difference is their is no alcohol in griptape! But as the alcohol is negligable in tattoo's and the addictive part is more than often than not related to the feeling of the needle (and the chemicals the body naturally secretes to cope with this) and the end result itself. This just shows that if you would take tattoos to be against straightedge then skateboarding probably should be against it also.

And if you are telling me that throwing yourself down 10 sets repeatedly isn't akin to self harm (in the way you speak of it) then you are nuts, i mean you only have to look at danny way.

I do a certain type of kung fu an someone i train with is a phisiotherapist, we have had many conversations on what harmful results are continuous traing will have on the body yet this doesn't dissuade us from our training because of enjoyment we gain. I get really ansty when i don't train for a few days, somekind of withdrawal perhaps?

Sure many people go all out with tattoo's but theres now way its against being straightedge, the reasons behind them are very different to those who self harm in regards to psychological problems. I understand your point about them having an addiction to something that is somewhat painful, but are they addicted to pain or the way the body deals with pain? And if its pains for pain's sake then how unhealthy is it and why do they choose tattoos instead of just sticking needles in themselves all day, perhaps because the enjoyment is more than just pain and for some the pain just is something of a by-product. If its due how the body copes with pain then how different is it from any activity that secretes chemicals when pain is apparent.


body builders for instance, also can be harmful, addictive and instigates natural body reactions. The only thing is the alcohol but it doesn't do anything other than disinfect and permianate, unless you somehow get dodgy ink with a ridiculousy high alcohol content. There is alcohol present in many consumables which is of such a small amount its not worth considering.

Intresting idea but seriously can't see it standing up.

[teenager?]

I get my information from a) being a skateboarder b) knowing many skateboarders and c) the consensus of the of skateboarders at large. Skateboarding is often commented on as addictive within skate and skate related media in much the same way people pursue their love of body mods people are all about living for skateboarding. To quote toy machine "skateboarding is our drug".

And skateboarding can alter your mind based on the natural chemicals the body produces and secretes, its damaging and addictive. The only difference is their is no alcohol in griptape! But as the alcohol is negligable in tattoo's and the addictive part is more than often than not related to the feeling of the needle (and the chemicals the body naturally secretes to cope with this) and the end result itself. This just shows that if you would take tattoos to be against straightedge then skateboarding probably should be against it also.

And if you are telling me that throwing yourself down 10 sets repeatedly isn't akin to self harm (in the way you speak of it) then you are nuts, i mean you only have to look at danny way.

I do a certain type of kung fu an someone i train with is a phisiotherapist, we have had many conversations on what harmful results are continuous traing will have on the body yet this doesn't dissuade us from our training because of enjoyment we gain. I get really ansty when i don't train for a few days, somekind of withdrawal perhaps?

Sure many people go all out with tattoo's but theres now way its against being straightedge, the reasons behind them are very different to those who self harm in regards to psychological problems. I understand your point about them having an addiction to something that is somewhat painful, but are they addicted to pain or the way the body deals with pain? And if its pains for pain's sake then how unhealthy is it and why do they choose tattoos instead of just sticking needles in themselves all day, perhaps because the enjoyment is more than just pain and for some the pain just is something of a by-product. If its due how the body copes with pain then how different is it from any activity that secretes chemicals when pain is apparent.


body builders for instance, also can be harmful, addictive and instigates natural body reactions. The only thing is the alcohol but it doesn't do anything other than disinfect and permianate, unless you somehow get dodgy ink with a ridiculousy high alcohol content. There is alcohol present in many consumables which is of such a small amount its not worth considering.

Intresting idea but seriously can't see it standing up.




yea, i got it now. thankss.

[ohsogangsterx]

Frankly, I don't see how it's that much of a big deal. Like already stated, anything abused or overdone can be addicting.

The chances of the ink hurting you are slim to none. When I turn 18 in a month, I'm getting a tattoo as a symbol of who I am. I'm not going to get a million of them, and no, I don't want it because of the pain, I just want something that I can appreciate and love.

[eastcoastSXEkid]

Yea they are addictive, I have 2 half sleeves, but the dont alter my state of mind. I have straight edge across my chest and that shows people that im not affraid to show who I am. But as for you make sure its something you want, its there forever

[xJoeyNormalx]

It's not breaking Edge to use any alcohol. It's breaking Edge to drink an alcoholic beverage. It's not selling out to use an alcohol based deoderant. There's nothing wrong with using an alcohol based solvent to clean something and so on.

[xSouthernEdgex]

Are we all talking about the same alcohol? Which alcohol is against edge? Are they all? or just the alcohol relating to inebriation?Is it just Ethyl alcohol that breaks edge...Can Rubbing Alcohol break edge?( I can't remember but i think it's Ethyl alcohol in Beer and stuff- Dont flame me if im wrong)


EDIT:

It's not breaking Edge to use any alcohol. It's breaking Edge to drink an alcoholic beverage. It's not selling out to use an alcohol based deoderant. There's nothing wrong with using an alcohol based solvent to clean something and so on.

Sorry didnt read your post...but id still like other people's thoughts on it also

[xJoeyNormalx]

Um.

Alcohol means either all hydrocarbons with the formula R-OH. That is, all organic chemicals with one hydroxide attached, blah, blah. Methanol, Ethanol, Butanol, blah, blah.

...or it just means drinkable ethanol, as found in wine, beer etc. However, many alcoholic solvents etc are still ethanol, and it's just as un-Edge to swill back meths hobo stylee.