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xXxgivebloodxXx
03-23-2005, 04:02 PM
Why do hardcore kids hate on Emo so much? i love hardcore i love dancing @ hardcore shows but i also love emo. Im even in an emo band. Does it make me a poser cause i dont only listen to one type of music?

xsecx
03-23-2005, 04:03 PM
because it sucks.

and I listen to more than one kind of music. emo however sucks.

straightXed
03-23-2005, 04:12 PM
Hasn't emo become a huge joke now?

rodrigo
03-23-2005, 05:51 PM
Uhm Maybe, I Dont Know Where You Live, But Here In Chile Everybody Thinks They're Emo Or Listens To Emo, And The Weird Part Is That Almost Al The Emo Kids Used To Listen To Korn Rage And Defotnes When They Were So Hip :p

Anyway, Emo Suck, Here And Everywere :p

xGriffox
03-23-2005, 06:42 PM
the instrumentals for emo is listenable to, but it's the singing and lyrics that suck. i hate dumbass negative lyrics that are about "oh man my life is so sad without you!" i don't need that negative shit. positive lyrics are much more enjoyable :)

xsecx
03-23-2005, 07:10 PM
the instrumentals for emo is listenable to, but it's the singing and lyrics that suck. i hate dumbass negative lyrics that are about "oh man my life is so sad without you!" i don't need that negative shit. positive lyrics are much more enjoyable :)

negative lyrics can be awesome. unbroken live.love.regret is a perfect example. a more modern one is the first american nightmare/give up the ghost record. or damnation ad. it all depends on the context. the context of emo sucks.

xXxgivebloodxXx
03-23-2005, 07:36 PM
the instrumentals for emo is listenable to, but it's the singing and lyrics that suck. i hate dumbass negative lyrics that are about "oh man my life is so sad without you!" i don't need that negative shit. positive lyrics are much more enjoyable :)


ok some of u guys have a point. but dosent it make u feel good knowing someone else is feeling the exact same way as you? and you are right. emo has become a joke. i dont listen 2 that gay shit like hawthorne heights and matchbook romance and that bullshit. that can barly be passed off as music. im talkin bout the early shit. the promise ring, fugazi, further seems forever, bright eyes, sunny day real estate. shit liek that. idk its kind of a stupid topic. but all the sXe kids always talk about unity and togeatherness but there always the first ones to turn away anyone who isnt a tough guy n the pit. im not talkin shit... im just sayn there r sum kids taht give hardcore a bad name.

xsecx
03-23-2005, 08:18 PM
ok some of u guys have a point. but dosent it make u feel good knowing someone else is feeling the exact same way as you? and you are right. emo has become a joke. i dont listen 2 that gay shit like hawthorne heights and matchbook romance and that bullshit. that can barly be passed off as music. im talkin bout the early shit. the promise ring, fugazi, further seems forever, bright eyes, sunny day real estate. shit liek that. idk its kind of a stupid topic. but all the sXe kids always talk about unity and togeatherness but there always the first ones to turn away anyone who isnt a tough guy n the pit. im not talkin shit... im just sayn there r sum kids taht give hardcore a bad name.

none of the bands you listed were early emo. and most people don't consider fugazi emo. especially not the earlier stuff.

and I'm guessing the irony of you calling something gay shit at the same time critizing tough guys is lost on you.

xGriffox
03-23-2005, 08:21 PM
ok some of u guys have a point. but dosent it make u feel good knowing someone else is feeling the exact same way as you?

nope, i think too positively to feel like them.

djay
03-28-2005, 06:35 PM
Hasn't emo become a huge joke now?

yeah...it definately has, which i think sux pretty bad...i am a real emocore kid....and i hate these new emo's...they r poseurs.
some of them in my school dont even like emo, theyre listening to metallica, and dress in black, they look depressed, and wear a CHEER UP EMO KID shirt...without even knowing what it means, the suk

xsecx
03-28-2005, 06:49 PM
yeah...it definately has, which i think sux pretty bad...i am a real emocore kid....and i hate these new emo's...they r poseurs.
some of them in my school dont even like emo, theyre listening to metallica, and dress in black, they look depressed, and wear a CHEER UP EMO KID shirt...without even knowing what it means, the suk

what is a real emocore kid?

djay
03-28-2005, 09:31 PM
what is a real emocore kid?

those who really love deep emo, not sellout bands like yellowcard.
those who really feel emo songs.
not those who dye their hair black to say ''HEY IM EMO NOW''
not those who listen to billy talent calling it emo, its not.

xsecx
03-28-2005, 09:48 PM
those who really love deep emo, not sellout bands like yellowcard.
those who really feel emo songs.
not those who dye their hair black to say ''HEY IM EMO NOW''
not those who listen to billy talent calling it emo, its not.

so what's emo?

djay
03-29-2005, 11:35 AM
you want a definition?

djay
03-29-2005, 11:40 AM
billy talent ain't emo. it's screamo. or maybe emocore to be generous.
but definately not emo.
dashboard confessional is emo.
taking back sunday has some emo punk songs.
boxcar racer is emo punk.
my chemical romance is emocore, punk.
alexisonfire is screamo.
fugazi has some emo punk songs.

SgtD
03-29-2005, 11:54 AM
billy talent ain't emo. it's screamo. or maybe emocore to be generous.
but definately not emo.
dashboard confessional is emo.
taking back sunday has some emo punk songs.
boxcar racer is emo punk.
my chemical romance is emocore, punk.
alexisonfire is screamo.
fugazi has some emo punk songs.

that's not a definition.

djay
03-29-2005, 12:01 PM
emo:(EEmo') emo is a musical style that was born in the mid 80's.
it came from the old hardcore. but emo is more EMOtive than
hardcore, the lyrics are genrally about love, solitude and such.
accoustic guitar is often employed much more than electric.

xsecx
03-29-2005, 12:22 PM
billy talent ain't emo. it's screamo. or maybe emocore to be generous.
but definately not emo.
dashboard confessional is emo.
taking back sunday has some emo punk songs.
boxcar racer is emo punk.
my chemical romance is emocore, punk.
alexisonfire is screamo.
fugazi has some emo punk songs.

who started emo then? what were the early emo bands?

HazardousGUM
03-29-2005, 04:26 PM
Can I venture a guess or would that be against the contest rules?

Love,
GUM.


embrace?

xGriffox
03-29-2005, 05:34 PM
alexisonfire is screamo.

if they are screamo, screamo has REALLY mellowed out.

xXxgivebloodxXx
04-02-2005, 01:53 AM
most of the bands that that guy mentoned arent rly emo. there poser pop punk. dont get me wrong im glad u baked me up on this. i was suprized 2 hear any possitive feedback. but u need 2 listen 2 sum real emo bands. the spill canvas, bright eyes, sunny day real estate, the promise ring, rights of spring. dont get me wrong i love that othger shit as well. im a huge fan of music. not just "emo" or hXc. ppl need 2 look @ it as music not genres.

linsee
04-02-2005, 02:07 AM
i wouldnt consider those bands to be emo either. emo came from hardcore. the bands that are emo have hardcore influences in them.

this is so complicated to talk about.

sabresnmets
04-02-2005, 12:16 PM
i wouldnt consider those bands to be emo either. emo came from hardcore. the bands that are emo have hardcore influences in them.

this is so complicated to talk about.



seriously, this is just a word someone came up with and people all wanted to say they were it. its dumb.

xUN7ILxD347Hx
04-03-2005, 02:33 PM
I like older fugazi O.o....And Dashboard Confessional's 'Screaming Infidelities' Is fun to sing like this "ScrEAMing INFA-DOdIeS" :D

linsee
04-03-2005, 02:40 PM
"Emo is a style of Hardcore that emerged in the mid-80s when bands playing Hardcore Punk got tired of the same old sounds, and decided to try something new. What came of this was dubbed "Emocore," short for "Emotive Hardcore." Rites of Spring (which formed in 1984 by Guy Picciotto, Eddie Janney, Brendan Canty, and Michael Fellows) is hailed as the first ever Emocore band. They played a sound similar to DC hardcore that focused more on emotional release, rather than political and social themes like most hardcore of the time did. 1985 was dubbed the "Revolution Summer," when many Emocore-style bands started forming: Dag Nasty, Embrace, Split Lip, etc.

Although there were hints of Emo (the Hated) before 1986, many believe that Moss Icon were the first emo band. They took Rites of Springs' emotive hardcore and focused more on the emotion aspect, adding talented and intricate guitar work into their songs, as well as a focus on loud/soft dynamics, and full on screaming. The early- to mid-90s were the most active time for the style of Emo. Bands like Indian Summer, Navio Forge, Native Nod and Embassy created beautiful, powerful emotive hardcore. Emo bands started springing up all over America (as well as some in Europe and Canada), showing a pretty wide variety of the style.

San Diego, Cupertino and other parts of California brought perhaps the biggest change to the scene: Hardcore Emo. In 1991, Heroin kick-started the style with their over-the-top abrasive Hardcore. They played extremely fast and relentless chaotic Emo with vocal-chord shredding screams and distorted guitar and bass. Bands such as Antioch Arrow, Mohinder, Honeywell, Swing Kids and Reach Out brought us some of the most intense Punk music ever made. Sadly, Hardcore Emo was just a short flash in the pan. It lasted mostly from 1991 to 1995 or so, and since then has been mostly unheard of.

By 1997, Emo was, for the most part, dead. "Screamo" has replaced it, although a few bands refuse to let the old sound die: Sinaloa, Wilderness Medicine, The Pine, Life at These Speeds, The Shivering, etc. But Screamo can be divided up even further. "Emo Violence" refers to a rather large number of bands influenced by the likes of Union of Uranus and One-Eyed God-Prophecy which play extremely fast, relentless, chaotic, punishing screamy Hardcore. Some examples would be Orchid, Yage, Shikari, Usurp Synapse and Jerome's Dream. The other of these styles is termed "Screamo" or "Emo Screamo" or various other terms. Screamo has it's roots in screamy Emo bands such as Portraits of Past, Finger Print, Frail and Ten Boy Summer. It's generally geared more toward new-school Hardcore, with less throaty vocals and quiet parts, and more screaming or screeching. Portrait, Die, Emperor! Die!, Saetia, Tipping Canoe, Amanda Woodward, I Hate Myself, as well as many other play this subgenre of Emo.

It's obvious that the genre has many different subsections. However, Indie Rock and Pop-Punk are not styles of Emo. Some bands (Christie Front Drive, Kolya, Sunny Day Real Estate) play Emo-influenced Indie, but it truly is a seperate style from Emotive Hardcore. Due to the media attention some of these bands received, much of society has a skewed vision of what Emo is. There seems to be no stop to the growing trend of "faux-Emo," with more and more teens getting into fashionable Pop-Punk / Indie / Post-Hardcore / Metal"core" bands such as Atreyu, Taking Back Sunday, Yellowcard, Thursday, etc. and referring to them as "Emo." This isn't completely unlike the bastardisation Punk went through in the '90s."

xUN7ILxD347Hx
04-03-2005, 02:55 PM
"Emo is a style of Hardcore that emerged in the mid-80s when bands playing Hardcore Punk got tired of the same old sounds, and decided to try something new. What came of this was dubbed "Emocore," short for "Emotive Hardcore." Rites of Spring (which formed in 1984 by Guy Picciotto, Eddie Janney, Brendan Canty, and Michael Fellows) is hailed as the first ever Emocore band. They played a sound similar to DC hardcore that focused more on emotional release, rather than political and social themes like most hardcore of the time did. 1985 was dubbed the "Revolution Summer," when many Emocore-style bands started forming: Dag Nasty, Embrace, Split Lip, etc.

Although there were hints of Emo (the Hated) before 1986, many believe that Moss Icon were the first emo band. They took Rites of Springs' emotive hardcore and focused more on the emotion aspect, adding talented and intricate guitar work into their songs, as well as a focus on loud/soft dynamics, and full on screaming. The early- to mid-90s were the most active time for the style of Emo. Bands like Indian Summer, Navio Forge, Native Nod and Embassy created beautiful, powerful emotive hardcore. Emo bands started springing up all over America (as well as some in Europe and Canada), showing a pretty wide variety of the style.

San Diego, Cupertino and other parts of California brought perhaps the biggest change to the scene: Hardcore Emo. In 1991, Heroin kick-started the style with their over-the-top abrasive Hardcore. They played extremely fast and relentless chaotic Emo with vocal-chord shredding screams and distorted guitar and bass. Bands such as Antioch Arrow, Mohinder, Honeywell, Swing Kids and Reach Out brought us some of the most intense Punk music ever made. Sadly, Hardcore Emo was just a short flash in the pan. It lasted mostly from 1991 to 1995 or so, and since then has been mostly unheard of.

By 1997, Emo was, for the most part, dead. "Screamo" has replaced it, although a few bands refuse to let the old sound die: Sinaloa, Wilderness Medicine, The Pine, Life at These Speeds, The Shivering, etc. But Screamo can be divided up even further. "Emo Violence" refers to a rather large number of bands influenced by the likes of Union of Uranus and One-Eyed God-Prophecy which play extremely fast, relentless, chaotic, punishing screamy Hardcore. Some examples would be Orchid, Yage, Shikari, Usurp Synapse and Jerome's Dream. The other of these styles is termed "Screamo" or "Emo Screamo" or various other terms. Screamo has it's roots in screamy Emo bands such as Portraits of Past, Finger Print, Frail and Ten Boy Summer. It's generally geared more toward new-school Hardcore, with less throaty vocals and quiet parts, and more screaming or screeching. Portrait, Die, Emperor! Die!, Saetia, Tipping Canoe, Amanda Woodward, I Hate Myself, as well as many other play this subgenre of Emo.

It's obvious that the genre has many different subsections. However, Indie Rock and Pop-Punk are not styles of Emo. Some bands (Christie Front Drive, Kolya, Sunny Day Real Estate) play Emo-influenced Indie, but it truly is a seperate style from Emotive Hardcore. Due to the media attention some of these bands received, much of society has a skewed vision of what Emo is. There seems to be no stop to the growing trend of "faux-Emo," with more and more teens getting into fashionable Pop-Punk / Indie / Post-Hardcore / Metal"core" bands such as Atreyu, Taking Back Sunday, Yellowcard, Thursday, etc. and referring to them as "Emo." This isn't completely unlike the bastardisation Punk went through in the '90s."
Very well put :D

straightXed
04-03-2005, 04:25 PM
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Although there were hints of crap (the Hated) before 1986, many believe that Moss Icon were the first crappy band. They took Rites of Springs' i didn't think this through core and focused more on the whiny aspect, adding talented and wanky guitar work into their songs, as well as a focus on loud/soft dynamics, and full on moaning. The early- to mid-90s were the most active time for the style of poop. Bands like Indian Summer, Navio Forge, Native Nod and Embassy created silly, watery my mum helped me with thiscore. awful bands started springing up all over America (as well as some in Europe and Canada), showing a pretty wide variety of the lack of style.

San Diego, Cupertino and other parts of California brought perhaps the biggest change to the scene: hardcore elmo. In 1991, Heroin habbits kick-started the idiocy with their over-the-top abrasive scouring pads. They played extremely fast and relentless chaotic Elmo with vocal-chord shredding screams and distorted guitar and bass people thought they were satanists that sacraficed bunnys and puppets. Bands such as Antioch Arrow, Mohinder, miss Honeywell and some Swingers ate Kids and Reached Out, brought us some of the most intense porn ever made. Sadly, miss honeywell was just a short flash in the pan. she lasted mostly from 1991 to 1995 or so, and since then has been mostly unheard of due to a nasty crack habbit.

By 1997, Elmo was, for the most part, dead. "the beano" has replaced it, although a sesame street refused to let the old muppet die: Sinaloa, Wilderness Medicine, The Pine, Life at These Speeds, The Shivering, etc. But Screamo can be divided up even further. "ultra violence" refers to a rather dodgy number of bands influenced by the likes of oranges. Some examples would be Orchid, Yage, Shikari, Usurp Synapse and Jerome's Dream. The other of these styles is termed "the beano" or "beano and dandy" or various other terms. the beano has it's roots in dreamy Elmo bands such as Portraits of Past, Finger Print, Frail and miss honeywells return with Ten Boy's in one Summer. It's generally geared more toward new-school Hardcore porn, with less deep throaty vocals and quiet parts, and more screaming or screeching - certification became a problem. Portrait, Die, Emperor! Die!, Saetia, Tipping Canoe, Amanda Woodward (porn name), I love Myself, as well as many other play this suburban commando of crap.

It's obvious that the gentleman has many different secreations. However, Indie Rock and Pop-Punk are not styles of crap. Some bands (Christie Front Drive, Kolya, Sunny Day Real Estate) play Emo-influenced Indie, but it truly is a seperate style from my mum helped me with thiscore. Due to the media attention some of these muppets received, much of sesame street has a skewed vision of what Elmo is. There seems to be no stop to the growing trend of "i wanna be an idiot like the restcore," with more and more teens getting into well to do Pop-Punk-Porn / Indie / Post-Hardcore / Metal"core" bands such as Atreyu, Taking Back Sunday, Yellowcard, Thursday, etc. and referring to them as "crap." This isn't completely unlike the bastardisation captain beefheart went through in the '90s." ok

linsee
04-03-2005, 04:26 PM
ok

oh my god.
DONT MAKE FUN OF ELMO HE'S GOING TO BE SAD NOW.

straightXed
04-03-2005, 04:31 PM
oh my god.
DONT MAKE FUN OF ELMO HE'S GOING TO BE SAD NOW.
he's been dead scince 97

linsee
04-03-2005, 04:34 PM
he's been dead scince 97

:(

xsecx
04-03-2005, 05:21 PM
By 1997, Emo was, for the most part, dead. "Screamo" has replaced it, although a few bands refuse to let the old sound die: Sinaloa, Wilderness Medicine, The Pine, Life at These Speeds, The Shivering, etc. But Screamo can be divided up even further. "Emo Violence" refers to a rather large number of bands influenced by the likes of Union of Uranus and One-Eyed God-Prophecy which play extremely fast, relentless, chaotic, punishing screamy Hardcore. Some examples would be Orchid, Yage, Shikari, Usurp Synapse and Jerome's Dream. The other of these styles is termed "Screamo" or "Emo Screamo" or various other terms. Screamo has it's roots in screamy Emo bands such as Portraits of Past, Finger Print, Frail and Ten Boy Summer. It's generally geared more toward new-school Hardcore, with less throaty vocals and quiet parts, and more screaming or screeching. Portrait, Die, Emperor! Die!, Saetia, Tipping Canoe, Amanda Woodward, I Hate Myself, as well as many other play this subgenre of Emo.

It's obvious that the genre has many different subsections. However, Indie Rock and Pop-Punk are not styles of Emo. Some bands (Christie Front Drive, Kolya, Sunny Day Real Estate) play Emo-influenced Indie, but it truly is a seperate style from Emotive Hardcore. Due to the media attention some of these bands received, much of society has a skewed vision of what Emo is. There seems to be no stop to the growing trend of "faux-Emo," with more and more teens getting into fashionable Pop-Punk / Indie / Post-Hardcore / Metal"core" bands such as Atreyu, Taking Back Sunday, Yellowcard, Thursday, etc. and referring to them as "Emo." This isn't completely unlike the bastardisation Punk went through in the '90s."

it was fine up until this point where it just turned retarded. that was nothing hardcore about any of those bands. sweet jesus do I hate all of them. playing fast stupid music and sounding like a dying bird isn't hardcore. neither was wearing white belts.